Tyrande and the Night Elves are hypocrites

[TickTickTick]

It's not about if she is more classic priest or more warrior-y, it's about how she acts as the leader of said priesthood. Seriously, a person who doesnt know who Tyrande is would never guess she is the leader of the priesthood of Elune, one of the greatest entities. She doesnt mention if almost at all, she doesnt act like she believes in the goddess, she doesnt spread the religion. Humans are better at doing their job worshipping the light than night elves and Elune.

Maybe its time to either make someone else rule the night elves, or someone else take the mantle of the high priestess? The two practically collide with each other, and for me its just not understandable that Tyrande worships Elune and takes one of the biggest parts in AvH conflict. She should be better than that.

[steelballfc]

It's not about if she is more classic priest or more warrior-y, it's about how she acts as the leader of said priesthood. Seriously, a person who doesnt know who Tyrande is would never guess she is the leader of the priesthood of Elune, one of the greatest entities. She doesnt mention if almost at all, she doesnt act like she believes in the goddess, she doesnt spread the religion. Humans are better at doing their job worshipping the light than night elves and Elune.

Maybe its time to either make someone else rule the night elves, or someone else take the mantle of the high priestess? The two practically collide with each other, and for me its just not understandable that Tyrande worships Elune and takes one of the biggest parts in AvH conflict. She should be better than that.

she would like to be just a priestess but her husband like to sleep for 10k every now and then

[ravenmoon]

The problem is Blizzard's story telling not Tyrande. They only pay attention to the druid lore not the sisterhood one. And if we don't see such a thing, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
But you can also think of a reason that why only Night Elves, green dragons, ancients and some of the worgens worship Elune. Humans, Draenei, some of the High Elves and Blood Elves worship the light not any god or goddess. Dwarves, gnomes and Vrykuls see the Titans their gods. Pandarens worship the August Celestials. Orcs have their Elements. Trolls worship the Loas. Taurens, the Earth Mother. Goblins and Undead, they don't think about such things.
So you see, nearly everyone has their own beliefs.
But imo the big reason is the game play: "Blizz we like Tauren Paladin" ok we create the sunwalkers. "Blizz we like Night Elf Paladin". ok we create Delas Moonfang which later we create NE Paladin.
Game play didn't damage the lore of any other race as much as the Night Elves.

that's right, they loaded us with druid ... in-game was where we got the most, in fact in-game, all you ever saw night elves doing anything was when druids were involved --- it's not exactly that all the night elf lore was druid, just that there was very little of the night elves, at all, but when they would put druid stuff, thats when you'd see night eles, so everyone assumed night elves are forest elves like Rhlor does, and nothing of the sisterhood and the arcane lore was absent too, except in the books.

Legion really brought a lot out of the arcane lore, the nightborne, highborne dominate the broken isle scene and that's all night elf arcane lore. The druids get Val'sharah, the priests get the Wardens - but there is an aspect of the priestesses that's missing, the priestly side which we read in WotA books and it's that part I'd love it if they also showed, like a homecoming - since it's suramar here

[Knightsword]

But I have a feeling that we will see a part which the priestesses of the moon and Elune will be involved. Blizz never explained anything about Elune. Not even in the chronicles. We really don't know anything about her. She is just there and Night Elves worship her. That's all. She must be very important that Blizz is still keeping her a secret. She has light, she has darkness, she has arcane power, she has a strong connection to life, she holds the spirit of the deads. I'm pretty sure that the story is more than just the Titans, Void Lords, Naruu and Demons. However, I'm not sure that Blizz intends to tell us the whole story. They want to keep all of it as a secret or at least Metzen wanted it and perhaps he never told the others the whole picture and only he knows it all ... and now he is retired.

Blizzard has been subtle as brick to the head in regards to Elune just being another name for Eonar during Legion. Either by the Pillar of Creation being named after Elune instead of Eonar or by both being credited for the same feats with either used in game or in Chronicle.

[TickTickTick]

Blizzard has been subtle as brick to the head in regards to Elune just being another name for Eonar during Legion. Either by the Pillar of Creation being named after Elune instead of Eonar or by both being credited for the same feats with either used in game or in Chronicle.

The ending of Val'sharah basically proved Elune exists and it cant be Eonar since the pantheon has been vanquished thousands of years ago. And still, it was more 'druid zone' than 'priest zone'...

[Knightsword]

The ending of Val'sharah basically proved Elune exists and it cant be Eonar since the pantheon has been vanquished thousands of years ago. And still, it was more 'druid zone' than 'priest zone'...

As for the ending of Val'Sharah, that could have just easily been the Pillar activating and purifying it self.

[thesentinelblue]

As for the ending of Val'Sharah, that could have just easily been the Pillar activating and purifying it self.

That's highly unlikely, considering that it should of activated right when it was corrupted.

[Zulkhan]

The ending of Val'sharah basically proved Elune exists and it cant be Eonar since the pantheon has been vanquished thousands of years ago. And still, it was more 'druid zone' than 'priest zone'...

Illidan's questline pretty much confirmed (or so it seems) that Elune existed even before the Great Ordering of Light and Shadow, and it's the one who created Xe'ra, the elder Naaru.

While it doesn't confirm anything about what she is, it's definitely a strong guideline to determine what she isn't.

[Gurluas]

Using magic is what a spellcaster does. The elves were suffused in magic it; was a passive thing.

Like blood elves, high elves can use arcane magic, but most do not because most high elves are not spellcasters. Whether or not they are spellcasters, all high elves are suffering acute pangs of withdrawal in the absence of the Sunwell's energies. A few high elves here and there have realized the cause of their distress; others have not.
[...]
Such a low rate of attrition might be considered an argument in favor of simply forgoing magic and suffering through the consequences. Indeed, a few high elves are said to have succeeded in taking this route through sheer willpower: they survived the process, however unpleasant. Apparently certain magical artifacts also ameliorate the symptoms of withdrawal and might, if sufficiently powerful, be able to suppress them altogether. (WC Encyclopedia)

Only a few HElves even realized why they were suffering. Most were completely ignorant. Then only a few of those abstained through sheer willpower.


That was them being cut off from the Well of Eternity. It had nothing to do with them becoming high elves, which is what happened after they ignited the Sunwell.

"The Burning Crystals - the green floating objects to the west of the Sunspire here - have long been used to power the isle's experimentations."

The lore differs on this. I remember reading said that magic was part of a High elf's life, whether through magic artifacts or minor parlor tricks.
In any case, that doesn't change the fact that Quel'danil dropped magic.

And no there is no lore on that.
Chronicle doesn't mention anything changing after the Sunwell was ignited.
It mentions the Highborne turning smaller, frailer, losing their violet hue, and becoming paler. Which is what High elves look like.

And yes, but we do not know if those crystals were altered. For all we know they could be pumped full of fel energy compared to the old High elf crystals, we simply don't know.

[Friendlyimmolation]

And yes, but we do not know if those crystals were altered. For all we know they could be pumped full of fel energy compared to the old High elf crystals, we simply don't know.

using the color pick tool in photoshop, the burning crystals shown in Chronicle are green as well.

[Aquamonkey]

And no there is no lore on that.
Chronicle doesn't mention anything changing after the Sunwell was ignited.
It mentions the Highborne turning smaller, frailer, losing their violet hue, and becoming paler. Which is what High elves look like.

There is lore on that. It's shown in the manga. Chronicle omitting something doesn't negate what was shown in previous lore. Them becoming smaller, weaker, and losing violet is from being cut off from the Well. The manga shows that the Sunwell made them stronger (supported by WC Encyclopedia and Chronicle) and made them orange/reddish (different from pale).

And yes, but we do not know if those crystals were altered. For all we know they could be pumped full of fel energy compared to the old High elf crystals, we simply don't know.

They almost certainly were, but that doesn't negate the fact that they looked the same prior to Quel'Thalas' destruction.

[Gurluas]

There is lore on that. It's shown in the manga. Chronicle omitting something doesn't negate what was shown in previous lore. Them becoming smaller, weaker, and losing violet is from being cut off from the Well. The manga shows that the Sunwell made them stronger (supported by WC Encyclopedia and Chronicle) and made them orange/reddish (different from pale).


They almost certainly were, but that doesn't negate the fact that they looked the same prior to Quel'Thalas' destruction.

The manga's canonicity is dubious at this point, as it depicts Nelves instantly turning into Helves. And it depicts Quel'thalas as it looks today.

And we do not know if they had the evil eyes. We just know they were green crystals.

[Aquamonkey]

The manga's canonicity is dubious at this point, as it depicts Nelves instantly turning into Helves. And it depicts Quel'thalas as it looks today.

The red color scheme is shown in the ruins.

And we do not know if they had the evil eyes. We just know they were green crystals.

Such a major change would likely have been noted, but there was no indication of such as the BElves went along blissfully unaware that they were sucking fel.

[ravenmoon]

The lore differs on this. I remember reading said that magic was part of a High elf's life, whether through magic artifacts or minor parlor tricks.
In any case, that doesn't change the fact that Quel'danil dropped magic.

And no there is no lore on that.
Chronicle doesn't mention anything changing after the Sunwell was ignited.
It mentions the Highborne turning smaller, frailer, losing their violet hue, and becoming paler. Which is what High elves look like.

And yes, but we do not know if those crystals were altered. For all we know they could be pumped full of fel energy compared to the old High elf crystals, we simply don't know.

There was lore that said night elves turned into high elves when they started using sorcery - whether it was the expulsion that caused this or the act or using it that did it, was unclear. however we know using arcane doens't turn a night elf into a high elf. So it must be something about being cut off from magically somehow from WoE or Nordrassil

but then blizzard has changed a lot of lore and I can't remember where I read it, possibly Rpg lore books, but not sure.

[Orquitis]

It's weird nelves and belves hate each other now, Tyrande was fine with Blood elves in warcraft III and she was super kind with Kael'thas. Probably because they started to play with fel magic...

Nelves are not bad at magic, at least not the highborne, the ones in Azshara were new kaldorei magi (apprentices) according Blizzard
"The blood elves were outraged to hear that the kaldorei had welcomed the Highborne back and were tolerating the practice of arcane magic again. After witnessing the rookie mistakes made by the new kaldorei magi, however, the blood elves are anxiously awaiting whatever mess the kaldorei are going to put themselves in." (source askcdev round II)

The Shen'dralar were the most prestigious arcanists of Queen Azshara and were studying magic for thousands of years.

The ones all over Silvermoon weren't "fel crystals". They're just Burning Crystals and have been like that since the founding of Silvermoon.

That comic colors are wrong. Silvermoon was not red, check Chronicles, and these crystals were blue arcane crystals without evil eyes. The ones in Quel'thalas now are FEL crystals (you can see those in some Burning legion bases), also that manga implies that Dath remar was a night elf when he created the Sunwell, when Chronicles states they degenerated into high elves because of lack of magic (before the sunwell existed)

[Friendlyimmolation]

That comic colors are wrong. Silvermoon was not red, check Chronicles, and these crystals were arcane crystals. The ones in Quel'thalas now are FEL crystals (you can see those in some Burning legion bases), also that manga implies that Dath remar was a night elf when he created the Sunwell, when Chronicles states they degenerated into high elves because of lack of magic (before the sunwell existed)

Parts of Silvermoon has always been red, they didnt go about repainting the ruins of Silvermoon. And the Crystals in Chronicle are green too.

[Zulkhan]

Nelves are not bad at magic, at least not the highborne, the ones in Azshara were new kaldorei magi (apprentices) according Blizzard
"The blood elves were outraged to hear that the kaldorei had welcomed the Highborne back and were tolerating the practice of arcane magic again. After witnessing the rookie mistakes made by the new kaldorei magi, however, the blood elves are anxiously awaiting whatever mess the kaldorei are going to put themselves in." (source askcdev round II)

The Shen'dralar were the most prestigious arcanists of Queen Azshara and were studying magic for thousands of years.

It was still a Highborne who led those rookies and taught them practicies considered ineffective by Blood Elves these days.

For the most part Highborne remain relatively out of date when it comes to magic. The Shen'dralar/Nightborne are quite another matter though.

[Friendlyimmolation]

It was still a Highborne who led those rookies and taught them practicies considered ineffective by Blood Elves these days.

For the most part Highborne remain relatively out of date when it comes to magic. The Shen'dralar/Nightborne are quite another matter though.

and even then the Blood elves are "what the fuck is this advanced stuff? , oh wait, nevermind, just inverse the matrix in the thing and then we gud"

[Zulkhan]

and even then the Blood elves are "what the fuck is this advanced stuff? , oh wait, nevermind, just inverse the matrix in the thing and then we gud"

Yeah, in the end they had an easier time in getting Nightborne magic than they had with understanding Zandalari magic (by all accounts they still have to get how that Arcane/Shadow fuckery works).

[Zandalariprelate]

Yeah, in the end they had an easier time in getting Nightborne magic than they had with understanding Zandalari magic (by all accounts they still have to get how that Arcane/Shadow fuckery works).

I always thought they use more necromancy magic rather than arcane because we saw them regenerate lei shen and probably they were the responsible of revival jindo in zul gurub