Do you think Sylvanas vs Genn conflict is over in Legion?

[Tripzzz]

This isn't some unknown ability. It has actually happened in lore, Rhonin redirected Jaina's portal from Theramore. The Mogu built portal redirect traps.

Mannoroth far surpassed the NElves in magical knowledge, Illidan included. They were basically depicted as children compared to the Legion commanders. Illidan knew that this kind of thing was possible and that someone like Mannoroth would be easily capable of doing it.

Doesn't excuse the fact that Jaina doesn't even try. The possibility of teleporting the alliance troops isnt even addressed at all. The cinematic could have had Jaina try to teleport them out and then have the Legion usurp the spell. Have one of the famous demons standing behind Gul'dan do it. So those demons would actually have done something in the cinematic instead of standing around with their thumbs up their asses.

Jaina could have opened up multiple portals giving the Legion enough of a distraction for the Jaina to port the Alliance to safety.

[Zulkhan]

You are being flamebaited into discussing this.

It is the same people posting over and over again just to trigger others into discussion their perception.

Yeah man, M-Ra provokes by her own will a poster who's not member at all of the "same people posting over and over" but it's still the fault of someone else for the "triggering". And wow, the HORROR that people discuss their own perception. It is because yours is supposed to be "universally right" yet you struggle to validate it everytime? I don't know, the way you get so easily triggered over this stuff, even in misplaced situations like these, is curious enough.

People have been calling Garrosh and his super orcs idiots since Northrend.

Besides, while the attack was indeed a backstabbing and legitimately shitty move, Horde and Alliance were pretty much at war during that time, Varian himself already declared it after the Wrath Gate events. On the other hand, there was no open or supposed hostility between Horde and Alliance at the time of Broken Shore events, everything after that was tied to a perceived betrayal.

Are you stupid? No seriously. AFTER Broken Shore Alliance and Horde wasn't allies anymore. Its confirmed by what Anduin gave Genn approval to attack Forsaken if it will be needed and Sylvanas words what Alliance will want revenge for what they did at Broken Shore.

Just because you're not "allies" don't mean you're at war with one another. It's like saying USA and China are currently at war.

Alliance and Horde held no particular hostilities at the time of the Broken Shore assault, in fact they were allies in such circumstance. The Alliance didn't attack the Horde because they were at war, they did because of their (mostly Genn's and Jaina's) conviction of having endured a "betrayal" during the Broken Shore events, a justification used by Genn to make the first move and effectively start a new faction conflict.

Thrall responsible for Garrosh's actions at same rate as Garrosh himself.

Ehm no. Thrall can't realistically be held responsible of Garrosh's actions as much as Garrosh himself, for the simple fact that Garrosh progressively changed as a character exactly because of the power he held, something Thrall failed to predict back then. While it's still Thrall's fault for refusing the advice of someone way older and experienced than him (Cairne) Thrall couldn't still predict the future and be certain that Cairne's catastrophic warnings could have literally became a reality.

Yeah, Thrall is responsible for what Garrosh became but will never be responsible of Garrosh's actions as Garrosh himself, the one who wittingly and willingly did all of that, knowing the full extent and consequences of every single one of said actions.

[Blasphemous Bearded Owl]

Yeah because the dead edgy elf neckbeards fap at the sight of is so amazingly deep amirite.

Calm down, your age is showing

[Arrashi]

i just can't wait until sylvanas becomes a raid boss

Then you should probably take a seat since it will be a while.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Then you should probably take a seat since it will be a while.

You gotta wonder what they do every year when they are again proved wrong.

[Arrashi]

You gotta wonder what they do every year when they are again proved wrong.

"Its not about getting there, its about letting it go".

Alas those poor souls are forever stuck in their limbo of sylvanas hate, unable to escape or find peace.

[Friendlyimmolation]

"Its not about getting there, its about letting it go".

Alas those poor souls are forever stuck in their limbo of sylvanas hate, unable to escape or find peace.

Its about the journey, not the destination.

or "sometimes we say shit that will never come true, just to see if anyone cares enough to respond"

[Zandalariprelate]

Well since this thread was resurrected I wonder what that hell is gonna happen with the faction war since i doubt we are gonna see this two in the tomb of sargeras and with the assault of argus I fear we see all the leaders acting like nothing happen and all are best pal now

[Arrashi]

Its about the journey, not the destination.

or "sometimes we say shit that will never come true, just to see if anyone cares enough to respond"

"And the wheel keeps spinning"

At this point i almost would love to see catastrophical results of sylvanas dying. I assume we would find many "withered" alliance posters unable to find a target and choking on their own bile.

[Leodok]

So as we know in patch 7.1 we're going to Tomb of Sargeras and in patch 7.2 we're going to Argus.

So does that mean Sylvanas vs Genn conflict is over in Legion?

I certainly hope not. Their conflict is one of the most interesting things in Legion.

Argus is a worthless piece of fel tainted rock, the only thing of interest there are its libraries. Having the two factions fighting each other has lost its bite quite some time ago, especially, since you can never have a winner in the mmo, nor make it a painful loss etc.

Theramore, as well as many Cata questlines, disagrees.

[Zulkhan]

"And the wheel keeps spinning"

At this point i almost would love to see catastrophical results of sylvanas dying. I assume we would find many "withered" alliance posters unable to find a target and choking on their own bile.

Well, the ironic part is that even Sylvanas' death could not bring salvation to them if it doesn't occurr as they precisely desire. That's why hating so fervently a fictional character is such a terrible waste of energy.

[Friendlyimmolation]

My lord and savior Nobbel and i, will valiantly slay sylvanas in a raid soon™.

hopefully 8.0

Nobbel? The youtuber that says he doesnt know where Sylvanas will go?

Yea Sylvanas raid, right next to seige of Mekkatorque and Garrosh's revenge. Also the ALliance get Lordaeron gift wrapped, and Tyrande becomes a deep character, the Scarlet Crusade comes back and Tirion actually just fell asleep after a bender.

[Arrashi]

Nobbel? The youtuber that says he doesnt know where Sylvanas will go?

Yea Sylvanas raid, right next to seige of Mekkatorque and Garrosh's revenge. Also the ALliance get Lordaeron gift wrapped, and Tyrande becomes a deep character, the Scarlet Crusade comes back and Tirion actually just fell asleep after a bender.

Punished Garrosh <Man deprived of his horde> Now, that is what i wanna see.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Punished Garrosh <Man deprived of his horde> Now, that is what i wanna see.

Garrosh goes back in time to warn garrosh who goes baack in time to alternate draenor to warn alternate grom to warn Mu garrosh to not betray the horde who goes back in time to warn mu grom to not leave garrosh alone who goes foward in time to give Garrosh the love he needs who goes sideways intime to bring another garrosh who comes back and replaces happy garrosh with now knowledge garrosh. Catacylsm 2.0, followed by Mop 2.0.

[Arrashi]

Garrosh goes back in time to warn garrosh who goes baack in time to alternate draenor to warn alternate grom to warn Mu garrosh to not betray the horde who goes back in time to warn mu grom to not leave garrosh alone who goes foward in time to give Garrosh the love he needs who goes sideways intime to bring another garrosh who comes back and replaces happy garrosh with now knowledge garrosh. Catacylsm 2.0, followed by Mop 2.0.

Then they create [Orc-y Heaven] a place where all garroshes can be free.

That being said, garrosh has alot of potential even after all of that. We can have solid garrosh, liquid garrosh, naked garr...you know i think i will stop here. But yeah, having a messed up world as a result of buttergarroshfly effect of too much garroshference into timeline would be really cool.

Oh and jaina realising that she was garrosh after plastic surgery and fake memories inplantation all that time.

[pateuvasiliu]

Calm down, your age is showing

And what age might that be?

[Combatbutler]

Theramore, as well as many Cata questlines, disagrees.

Neither meant anything in the grand scheme of things, the horde still exists as before, the Alliance goes on as if nothing happened dropping a line with no meaning and on and on it goes. With world threatening conflicts arising each year, but both factions are at each others throat but must unite against a common foe and then someone pulls some shit again,

Step1
Factions
darn you bastards will pay/we will finally get rid of you etc.

Step2
Factions
oh look a new enemy you bastards we will never cooperate,...... it seems we must cooperate.

Step 3
Factions
We did it ,you aint so bad after all

"someone does something stupid"

go to step 1

[Friendlyimmolation]

And what age might that be?

No one out of highschool would try to say "lol you fap to sylvanas" as a serious argument. Sorry bub.

[FelPlague]

Doesn't excuse the fact that Jaina doesn't even try. The possibility of teleporting the alliance troops isnt even addressed at all. The cinematic could have had Jaina try to teleport them out and then have the Legion usurp the spell. Have one of the famous demons standing behind Gul'dan do it. So those demons would actually have done something in the cinematic instead of standing around with their thumbs up their asses.

Jaina could have opened up multiple portals giving the Legion enough of a distraction for the Jaina to port the Alliance to safety.

the issue is jaina cannot teleport units extreamly long distances
and she can only teleport them to places she knows, she cant just tleeport them willy nilly, and idk if you know, but we havent been to the broken shores before, so she could end up killing us all, and there is no where near that she could have teleported us to, that there wouldent have been demons, dalaran has not left yet, the cloests place would be howling fjord, and thats still SUPER far away

[Oneirophobia]

This reasoning is so bad that its not even worth arguing over. The battle was lost before it even began. Crying because the Horde didnt stay to die alongside the Alliance is stupid.

It's pointless to try to reason. The Horde leaving the Broken Shore and the Alliance blaming them for Varian is the most forced reason for conflict we've ever seen, and somehow an overwhelming majority of people buy it regardless of being able to go on Youtube and watch from the Horde's perspective.

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the issue is jaina cannot teleport units extreamly long distances
and she can only teleport them to places she knows, she cant just tleeport them willy nilly, and idk if you know, but we havent been to the broken shores before, so she could end up killing us all, and there is no where near that she could have teleported us to, that there wouldent have been demons, dalaran has not left yet, the cloests place would be howling fjord, and thats still SUPER far away

Teleport them to the Skyfire which was right above them? Teleport them to where they docked? Teleport down to Varian and teleport with him back to the Skyfire? She's teleported from the Undercity to Stormwind (Or possibly all the way back to the Dragonblight if you want to get technical) without knowing UC. She's teleported a small group to safety in Pit of Sauron.

It's best to just accept that this is a plot hole they didn't anticipate. It happens.

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Then you should probably take a seat since it will be a while.

I'm still waiting for a meaningful redemption arc, which I doubt will ever come due to the insistence Blizz has for the near-meaningless faction x faction battle, which, lets be honest, really only exists at this point to preserve (massively imbalanced) PVP servers.