Legion - Subtlety discussion

[lolpve]

This is a huge buff to the cloak.

[Deleted]

I still don't get why sub rogues don't have a aoe finisher, even one with a CD would do the job

[Coldkil]

I still don't get why sub rogues don't have a aoe finisher, even one with a CD would do the job

You have it - it's called Death from Above. The fact it's not baseline and a talent competing with MoS is why you don't have it (for now, we must see what happens in 7.1.5)

[Maelstrom51]

With T19 and the buffed Anticipation I think we'll be seeing a focus on Shadow Dance uptime (moreso than now) and Shadowstrikes, and the energy from Master of Shadows will be mandatory to keep that going.

[Rixan]

This is a huge buff to the cloak.

How's that? Allows you to hold off on shuriken storm spam until the stack gets higher I guess?

[skindown]

Also, not sure many of you have seen it, but ...

Outlaw
Between the Eyes Assassination, Subtlety: Finishing move that deals damage with your pistol and stuns the target. 1 point : [ 1 + 85% of AP ] damage, 1 sec 2 points: [ 2 + 170% of AP ] damage, 2 sec 3 points: [ 3 + 255% of AP ] damage, 3 sec 4 points: [ 4 + 340% of AP ] damage, 4 sec 5 points: [ 5 + 425% of AP ] damage, 5 sec Outlaw: Finishing move that deals damage with your pistol and stuns the target. Critical strikes with this ability deal four times normal damage. 1 point : [ 1 + 85% of AP ] damage, 1 sec 2 points: [ 2 + 170% of AP ] damage, 2 sec 3 points: [ 3 + 255% of AP ] damage, 3 sec 4 points: [ 4 + 340% of AP ] damage, 4 sec 5 points: [ 5 + 425% of AP ] damage, 5 sec Rogue - Outlaw Spec. 35 Energy. 20 yd range. Instant. 20 sec cooldown.

Taken from http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ ( 7.1.5 PTR patch notes )

Does this mean Assassination and Sub will get Between the Eyes?? o_o

[Kaluna]

It is mentioned "Outlaw spec" at this end.
This is datamining, sometimes does not make sense

[Abalon]

Yay sub buffs! So does that mean by cloak and boots will be a even more awesome combo?

[Deleted]

This. Until they want us to use SS in aoe and forget Shuriken Storm, this design is basically counterintuitive.

Quoting someone else on this (sorry, i forgot your name):


While simple, the design above covers anything related to an aoe rotation:
- promotes spreading of Nightblade on multiple targets
- gives cleave (2 targets) and aoe (3+) distinct rotations (SS vs Shuriken Storm, pretty easy due to cp generation)
- naturally blends into standard single target rotation (Shadow Dance management)

Really, it's not that hard to come up with similar solutions. If damage is too high they can simply tune it down; i don't really get why they didn't think about it. Tbh going to post this on official forums (at leats it will get a better visibility).

That would be my suggestion kind sir, do give us a link to the post I'm rather interested to see what response it gets!

I really REALLY hope they don't go through with the latest change - 100% chance to explode on CS/SS. Putting aside the glaringly obvious problem that it means Shuriken Storm doesn't really fit into any sort of rotation anymore, the theme of subtlety is even more hilariously ruined that it previously was.

I can't help but chuckle to myself. It's ridiculous enough that a specialisation who's theme is defined as being "Subtle" currently works by having an epileptic teleportation fit all over your enemies. If this change goes through it'll look even worse as we violently vomit clouds of dark gas everywhere.

[elcapone]

if they fuk up aoe and make it clunky, I am done

[Coldkil]

That would be my suggestion kind sir, do give us a link to the post I'm rather interested to see what response it gets!

I really REALLY hope they don't go through with the latest change - 100% chance to explode on CS/SS. Putting aside the glaringly obvious problem that it means Shuriken Storm doesn't really fit into any sort of rotation anymore, the theme of subtlety is even more hilariously ruined that it previously was.

I can't help but chuckle to myself. It's ridiculous enough that a specialisation who's theme is defined as being "Subtle" currently works by having an epileptic teleportation fit all over your enemies. If this change goes through it'll look even worse as we violently vomit clouds of dark gas everywhere.

I don't mind the shadow explosions tbh, while i agree that they don't fit much the theme.

Here's the link on EU forums http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17614513464 if someone can share on US i would be happy.

Point is, your idea has 1000x more sense than current iterations, and it doesn't take much to come otu with a decent and working solution.

[Kaluna]

The insignia of Ravenholdt would be even better in AoE in this current itiration.

[elfporn]

It just means we'll adjust shuriken storm use to 4+ targets instead of 3+. Strengthens our cleave.

[Rixan]

It just means we'll adjust shuriken storm use to 4+ targets instead of 3+. Strengthens our cleave.

Yeah TBH I welcome this

Two many fights with two or three targets where you're stuck between storming and shadow striking, other than spreading nightblade we have no cleave to speak of

[Greylan]

Yeah TBH I welcome this

Two many fights with two or three targets where you're stuck between storming and shadow striking, other than spreading nightblade we have no cleave to speak of

Do you mean other than the Shadow Nova we already have? This change just makes it so shadow nova will no longer go off during actual AoE. Unless of course it becomes a DPS gain to Shadow Strike during AoE in which case Shuriken Storm would be useless.

[Spriestlawl]

What is the Dreadlord's change? Didn't see it on the changes page...

[elcapone]

i just got the last trait, it roughly 5% my aoe dps...kinda dissapointing

[Euq]

I went "the wrong" way in my artifact, hope I get to the Shadow Nova before 7.1.5 hits if the changes stay as they are right now.

[Coldkil]

I went "the wrong" way in my artifact, hope I get to the Shadow Nova before 7.1.5 hits if the changes stay as they are right now.

Same here, but the recommended path changed when i was 5 points away from Shadow Nova. Doesn't matter much now

[Barrin]

They could simply make Shuriken Storm a strong finishing move, which also applies Nigthblade to all targets (just kidding), some kind of Crimson Tempest 2.0. But personally in order to fit the fantasy i would like to see some kind of killing-spree-esque move in AoE situations.