Reddit CEO modifies user comments through the database(undetected)

[Ichifails]

Are seriosly sitting here defending pizzagate?

Considering this thread has nothing to do with pizzagate, no.

[Endus]

I beg you to do the same on MMO-champion if I insult you so we can see how your fairy tale world holds up in a courtroom.

Frankly, I have the capacity to edit user posts. It's our website policy to not do so outside of reasonable moderation duties, things like removing porn/gore images, or adding infraction messages, or changing titles on threads and whatnot. If I do so within the first three minutes, it won't have the "edited by" tag at the bottom. That doesn't mean it would be "okay" for me to maliciously edit user posts, but the legal consequence there would be "I'm no longer an MMO-C moderator", and that's about it, because it's not illegal, just against our rules for our moderator staff.

Also, the idea that you'd be able to make that case across international borders is pretty ridiculous, in and of itself. If nothing else, MMO-C's run out of the USA, and I'm Canadian.

[Bullettime]

Surprised that subreddit hasn't been shut down entirely. They shut down other blatantly racist subs and that one has been teetering dangerously close to being an online Klan rally since the election. Death threats to users, advocating violence at minorities, bans anyone who argues against them, posts RL information pulled through security holes, conspiracy theories, etc.

[JohnBrown1917]

Surprised that subreddit hasn't been shut down entirely. They shut down other blatantly racist subs and that one has been teetering dangerously close to being an online Klan rally since the election. Death threats to users, advocating violence at minorities and "liberals," attempts to form rl groups targeting those parties, bans anyone who argues against them, posts RL information pulled through security holes, conspiracy theories, etc.

Pizzagate was shut down, so its a step in the rigth direction i'd say.

[Ichifails]

Also, the idea that you'd be able to make that case across international borders is pretty ridiculous, in and of itself. If nothing else, MMO-C's run out of the USA, and I'm Canadian.

It really blows my mind that you can't understand how this works... like I know you're kind of silly based on what you normally post but god...

If you database edit posts and you later admit to doing it, that means MMO-Champion is legally liable for anything that gets posted on it regardless of them being edited or not.

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This actually just made me think of several reasons why editing comments would be necessary, like say, to remove personal information posted maliciously by someone.

Do you seriously still not understand the difference between a moderated comment and a database modified comment?

[Bullettime]

Shutting down a subreddit devoted to the president elect probably wouldn't look good.

I know, which is arguably why it's still open. It doesn't change that it's become an alt right cesspool that spends a significant number of their posts trying to incite violence and form real life violence squads targeting minorities and "liberals" while idolizing Hitler and banning any opposition.

It's practically a Klan/neo Nazi sub at this point under the title of being an election discussion sub, especially with Pizzagate gone.

[cFortyfive]

Even privately owned sites are held accountable to their terms of use. And reddit had a legal status as a safe harbor website - look it up. It just lost that.

Just because it's "privately owned" doesn't mean they can do whatever the fuck they want. Given how much influence and financial power the website holds, they have to be regulated in some way. It's the same as saying "it's a private company, who gives a fuck that they refuse to hire women / blacks / latinos / muslims, they can do what they want".

The moderator power abuse fits right into that as well.

I see nothing in their tou resembling anything you are claiming.

[Endus]

It really blows my mind that you can't understand how this works... like I know you're kind of silly based on what you normally post but god...

If you database edit posts and you later admit to doing it, that means MMO-Champion is legally liable for anything that gets posted on it regardless of them being edited or not.

And what you have just stated is fundamentally incorrect. It just means that anyone accused of something where their posting to the site was part of the evidence, they would have a valid means of disputing that evidence (which isn't to say it would get thrown out, there are other ways to corroborate).

Do you seriously still not understand the difference between a moderated comment and a database modified comment?

"Moderating a comment" involves editing the database, dude.

[Ichifails]

I see nothing in their tou resembling anything you are claiming.

"indemnity

43 All the things you do and all the information you submit or post to reddit remain your responsibility. Indemnity is basically a way of saying that you will not hold us legally liable for any of your user content or actions that infringe the law or the rights of a third party or person in any way.

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Specifically, you agree to hold reddit, its affiliates, officers, directors, employees, agents, and third party service providers harmless from and defend them against any claims, costs, damages, losses, expenses, and any other liabilities, including attorneys’ fees and costs, arising out of or related to your access to or use of reddit, your violation of this user agreement, and/or your violation of the rights of any third party or person."

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http://www.businessinsider.com/reddi...donald-2016-11



See, MMO-Champion mods, that's how you push an agenda the right way.

We live in a day and age where people are getting arrested and fined for comments they make on social media/forums while the CEO and most likely admins go around editing the database to change comments of users they don't like, leaving no trace they ever did.


EDIT: The obvious things the admins want to do about this whole situation: Ban "the_donald" subreddit.

Maybe people shouldn't be such absurd morons? I dunno. You dont see people posting something worthwhile having their posts edited.
Don't spew abuse then cry about getting something back. You have zero right to complain. (not the OP, but you as in those affected by this)

[Ichifails]

And what you have just stated is fundamentally incorrect. It just means that anyone accused of something where their posting to the site was part of the evidence, they would have a valid means of disputing that evidence (which isn't to say it would get thrown out, there are other ways to corroborate).



"Moderating a comment" involves editing the database, dude.

And this is why it's so hard to even discuss something with you because you either are this dense or pretend to be this dense and in either case, whatever anyone says won't matter.

[Endus]

"indemnity

43 All the things you do and all the information you submit or post to reddit remain your responsibility. Indemnity is basically a way of saying that you will not hold us legally liable for any of your user content or actions that infringe the law or the rights of a third party or person in any way.

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Specifically, you agree to hold reddit, its affiliates, officers, directors, employees, agents, and third party service providers harmless from and defend them against any claims, costs, damages, losses, expenses, and any other liabilities, including attorneys’ fees and costs, arising out of or related to your access to or use of reddit, your violation of this user agreement, and/or your violation of the rights of any third party or person."

All this means is that Reddit isn't legally liable if someone posts, say, child porn. It has nothing to do with editing user content.

[Ichifails]

Maybe people shouldn't be such absurd morons? I dunno. You dont see people posting something worthwhile having their posts edited.
Don't spew abuse then cry about getting something back. You have zero right to complain. (not the OP, but you as in those affected by this)

Because of what happened today there's literally no legal proof of what you said.

[Endus]

And this is why it's so hard to even discuss something with you because you either are this dense or pretend to be this dense and in either case, whatever anyone says won't matter.

So no actual argument, then?

I'm not being "dense". You're stating things that are categorically, objectively incorrect.

[zealo]

"Moderating a comment" involves editing the database, dude.

There are more than one way to edit a database. Either through moderation tools built into the site by the engineers, or going directly into the DB. A CEO having direct access to that last one is pretty noteworthy.

[Ichifails]

All this means is that Reddit isn't legally liable if someone posts, say, child porn. It has nothing to do with editing user content.

Seriously, you can't be fucking real...

u/spez used direct access to the database to edit posts from people he does not agree to, leaving no trace except his admission of guit. He didn't do it through normal admin or moderator means, he did something that is invisible and untraceable.

If someone posts child porn on reddit, because of what u/spez did, reddit is now legally liable for it. Is it that hard to understand?

[Endus]

There are more than one way to edit a database. Either through moderation tools built into the site by the engineers, or going directly into the DB. A CEO having direct access to that last one is pretty noteworthy.

Why? In most cases, he'd leave it up to his tech staff, but that he has access should be a given.

[cFortyfive]

"indemnity

Context ? I don't see anything supporting the claim they were acting against their tou.

[Ichifails]

So no actual argument, then?

I'm not being "dense". You're stating things that are categorically, objectively incorrect.

There are no words that can describe you, based on what you say in most threads(and getting proven wrong almost every time when it's not an opinion), allowed on MMO-Champion so "dense" is simply a collection of those words.

[Endus]

Seriously, you can't be fucking real...

u/spez used direct access to the database to edit posts from people he does not agree to, leaving no trace except his admission of guit. He didn't do it through normal admin or moderator means, he did something that is invisible and untraceable.

If someone posts child porn on reddit, because of what u/spez did, reddit is not legally liable for it. Is it that hard to understand?

That's easy to understand. Reddit has never been liable of a user posted child porn to the site.

I think you misspoke though, and meant that the user would no longer be legally liable, and that is completely incorrect. At best, they could claim that Reddit edited that in, and Reddit could testify that "no, they didn't", and without evidence to back that claim and no motive for Reddit to have done so, that accusation would fail to hold merit, and the user would still be found guilty based on that evidence.

And that's ignoring the fact that the child porn would exist on that user's computer, since they uploaded it from somewhere.