Why is 7.1.5 Referred to as the "Death Patch"?

[Khorneflake]

Blizzard's way of PTR testing is usually that they begin with nerfing hard and then adjust the numbers over time. The initial change causes many people to panic.

Sadly not the case with spriests, where they are quite literally removing a core part of the gameplay we've been used to now and throwing it on the same talent row as another.

This "other" talent is practically a must have for our S2M up-time, and considering they have yet to even mention our other tier 100's being changed it certainly looks grim for spriests, no amount of number fiddling can account for a slow down of our gameplay that's what I'm annoyed about.

[AtomicSpoon]

Number tuning is meh, but I do not like the mechanical fire changes. Keep in mind not everyone is in the numbers /cry bandwagon.

Also legendaries. Fucking legendary farming starts all over.

[Lochton]

I've heard people like Preach and some forum posters call 7.1.5 the "Death" patch. Why is this? I haven't seen any changes to the game coming with 7.1.5 as "Death" worthy. The class changes don't seem that bad from my perpective as a warlock. Can someone explain to me what this term means? The game feels far from death imo. Legion is awesome!

Never heard people call it that, so I am guessing it has to do with a lot of whining?

[munkeyinorbit]

Because of all the FOTM players, the people who realized there were far too many melee DPS and the fact you could easily get a raid spot as an overpowered ranged DPS like a SP or a ridiculously strong Fire mage, who flocked to these specs being a little bit butthurt.

I mean, for people saying that it's just PTR or that they're not guaranteed changes...apparently you don't know Blizzard very well if you think this dev team is going to not put these changes through at this point.

Why are you butthurt against fire mages or SP? Did they smash you in deeps? This is more of a L2P issue for yourself than it is about classes being OP.

[Deleted]

I have to laugh that people are still keeping up the "it's only PTR" mantra. They mustbelieve in fairies too

It has always worked like this: the first iteration brings the main changes. They are someone's Bright Idea sothey are pretty much set in stone. Any following changes are usually tweaks to try to offset the silliness of the first changes.

Many of the changes now on PTR make no sense and actually contradict the devs stated goals for the patch. Soem of them are merely re-arranging of the chairs.

I believe there is a known effect whereby military forces regularly make smallchanges to uniforms, because it makes the troops feel that the high command is taking an interest in them. Some of the changes feel like that.

I have no doubt at all that they'll bring in Malefic Grasp, see that no one uses it because it's a dps loss compared to the talents everyone uses now and they will therefore buff it. Or more probably nerf the othe rones tomake the new toy look shinier.

When I read posts saying "it;s only ptr" or "wait until all the changes are in" or "they must know what they are doing" I have to wonder, where have people been for th elast ten years?

History is littered with bizarre and retrograde changes

I remember back in Wrath they changed destruction warlocks so that casting Conflagrate+Chaos Bolt would literally one shot anyone in PVP. It was guaranteed death, not least because Chaos Bolt pierce dmost immunities.

It was laughably overpowered, and everyone said so, allthrough the testing phase. Even warlocks said it was stupid. Guess what? It went live unchanged. Then ten days of silliness in live PVP where every warlock switched to destruction and went on massive killing sprees...the moment you got hit with conflag you knew a Chaos Bolt wa son it;s way and you were dead. So it had to be hotfixed. Which caused huge issues in PVE.

[avoidconfusion]

Because they are destroying alot of specs, two that comes to mind are Fire Mage and MM Hunter

Really? Destroying is the word you want to use here? Really??

[Deleted]

Why are you butthurt against fire mages or SP? Did they smash you in deeps? This is more of a L2P issue for yourself than it is about classes being OP.

Fire mages are too good at everything. There is literally nothing they are weak at. If that model is to hold true then the price needs to be they become a jack of all trades, competent at everything yet top at nothing, because it's not acceptable for a firemage to be able to single target and cleave and aoe and top out classes who can only specialise in one of those things. Most fire mages if they are honest woudl admit that fire is just a little too good for such a versatile and strong spec.


Shadow Priests? The main problem there is that (a) there is a massive gap between players who can use Surrender perfectly and those who can't. It's far too big, and Surrender itself is something most people don't like, as it;s clunky and always dying doesn;t feel like fun (b) Surrender is causing balance issues. Theer are too many occasions when SP's are absolutely dominating with no other class comign near them and (c) there are fights where the Surrender mechanic is producing ludicrously good results liek Xavius

[Deleted]

'Cause hunters and mages don't get exactly what they want like they usually do.

[l33t]

Because of all the FOTM players, the people who realized there were far too many melee DPS and the fact you could easily get a raid spot as an overpowered ranged DPS like a SP or a ridiculously strong Fire mage, who flocked to these specs being a little bit butthurt.

I mean, for people saying that it's just PTR or that they're not guaranteed changes...apparently you don't know Blizzard very well if you think this dev team is going to not put these changes through at this point.

You're seriously delusional if you think nerfing ranged will grant your precious melees raid spots. Melees = shit for raiding, always were, always will be.

[Deleted]

As a frost DK i welcome the new patch

As an unholy dk i welcome another huge buff to death coil.

Watch us return to our rightful place top of the charts on every fight...

[Deleted]

Because they're crybabies who keep the money rolling in by whining. A fair nerf to the most OP spec in the game? Oh noes, let's call it the ''Death Patch''...

Pathetic

[Echocho]

I'm pretty sure "death patch" is something Preach made up because he didn't like the changes to fire mages. I think most of the changes look good so far and it's still early days, things could change.

[Soulflayer]

Because they're crybabies who keep the money rolling in by whining. A fair nerf to the most OP spec in the game? Oh noes, let's call it the ''Death Patch''...

Pathetic

Havoc says Hi.

[tratra]

I've heard people like Preach and some forum posters call 7.1.5 the "Death" patch. Why is this? I haven't seen any changes to the game coming with 7.1.5 as "Death" worthy. The class changes don't seem that bad from my perpective as a warlock. Can someone explain to me what this term means? The game feels far from death imo. Legion is awesome!

lol if you are a warlock and you are welcoming those changes it means you are not even playing the game.

I guess you are doing some sort of questing RP whatever you like.

For PVE the nerfs on warlock are garbage. Warlock needs a buff not a nerf.


Destruction, aweful casting times and now they are making it even worse and introducing life tap into it? wth. Aweful ST damage absolute rubbbish.

Demo gets nerfs and its playstyle is aweful, ST dmg is alright middle of the pack and AOE is hmm bellow middle id say even with impo.

Affliction... unfinished spec completely random and based on pure luck, apart from the fact that its playstyle currently is aweful.

So yes I don't think you've been PVEing as a lock at all.

[Saiteck]

Really? Destroying is the word you want to use here? Really??

I guess so, seeing as I wrote it

[Lochton]

Havoc says Hi.

What's wrong with Havoc? Does good dps at the moment. They were balanced more than nerfed.

[avoidconfusion]

I guess so, seeing as I wrote it

Dramatic overreaction it is then

[Yhcti]

people who play #1 specs are complaining that's all. I mean hell, rankings are full of fire mages and mm hunters, let someone else be top for a bit. the nerf bat comes and goes, just ride it out. People whine and put up youtube videos to attract viewers to make money, that's all.

[Anevers]

This is the first time I've ever heard anyone call it that... Then again I don't watch twats like Preach either. Anyone who bitches before full patch notes is just being silly. Get the full set of notes and play on the PTR before acting like the sky is falling.

[Deleted]

lololol this is justa variant on the "it's only ptr guys relax" , it neve rgets old, nor does the fact that people will happily ignore over ten years of Blizzard pulling the same old bullshit , always good for a chuckle, particularly when you imagine their faces fall as they keepsaying it right up to the minute it actually goes live