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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouch View Post
    Europe countries? Canada, Australia, New Zealand... The united states of AMERICA! Those punk with a socialist funded military and social security. Hang them all like the reds they are!
    Better dead than red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omeomorfismo View Post
    like acciòn popular did anything better XDXDXD
    At least Belaunde did not left the country with an inflation so high that it could give Germany post WW1 a run for its money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    The brainwash is strong in this thread.

    It's almost as if
    1. Batista never happened.
    2. As if especially the USA never had an atrocious role in what lead to the events surrounding Castro and his reign in Cuba.
    I bet the vast majority of Amuricans don't even know the story and the facts regarding the Cuban revolution.
    They probably think that cuban where living the Amurican dream riding white horses and running on the fields but then an evil communist dicator appear out of nowhere and took the freedom.

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    A god amongst men, sucks to see him go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSnow View Post
    At least Belaunde did not left the country with an inflation so high that it could give Germany post WW1 a run for its money.
    oh, the "pagina 11" guy XDXDXDXD
    and the one that did nothing for the sendero luminoso escalation.
    i think that alan garcia can be grateful to him XD

    however the point is that no 3° world government can be called successful. at least until the parameter isnt "US ass-licking"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouch View Post
    Europe countries? Canada, Australia, New Zealand... The united states of AMERICA! Those punk with a socialist funded military and social security. Hang them all like the reds they are!
    None of which can truthfully be labelled as being socialist. All of them are capitalistic even if they value things like single payer healthcare to a greater degree than the US does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    None of which can truthfully be labelled as being socialist. All of them are capitalistic even if they value things like single payer healthcare to a greater degree than the US does.
    None of them are capitalistim either, thats the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouch View Post
    Europe countries? Canada, Australia, New Zealand... The united states of AMERICA! Those punk with a socialist funded military and social security. Hang them all like the reds they are!
    Aren't those nations capitalist?(ffs Isn't america like the embodiment of capitalism?) They have socialist elements, sure, but they are still capitalist. Anyway my point was mainly refering to socialism in Latin America. Even Mujica which was the second most leftist president at the time, wasn't really socialist either.

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    History will decide what has been worse for the people of Cuba: Fidel Castro or the american embargo.

    I have no real sympathy for the man, but when you look at the history of Cuba, he was not the worse dictator or corrupt politician to rule over the island.
    "Je vous répondrai par la bouche de mes canons!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keosen View Post
    Now they can finally enjoy the benefits, freedom and justice that capitalism provides to the poor, right?
    Please, don't misrepresent what he did because his underlying values are in accordance to yours.

    He promoted and enforced censorship. He promoted an atmosphere of fear and social justice - including but not limited to arbitrary execution without a due process. He violated several human rights whilst in power and that cannot be forgiven.
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    I wonder if people who are sad he died would be as sad if they actually had to live under him?

    Naive people are naive, I guess.

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    Low IQ millennial hipsters loved him. Big loss.

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    Well, until yesterday he was the biggest latin american murderer alive.

    I am pretty sure a big party in hell is happening today.


    Fidel just ruined Cuba, the education there sucks. Sure, there's no illiteracy there, but the cuban people knows nothing other than basic stuff.
    The healthcare there sucks, because the hospital are stuck in time, with old equipments. Ohh, and good luck buying medicines !

    Cuba used to be the 3rd richest country in latin america, before Fidel. Nowadays is one of the poorest, and Fildel, alone, was richer than the British royal family.

    Sure, he supplied the people with food. And kept them under control trought this.

    Ohhh, he also hated gays

    No wonder why the left worships him
    Last edited by igualitarist; 2016-11-26 at 06:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by igualitarist View Post
    Well, until yesterday he was the biggest latin american murderer alive.

    I am pretty sure a big party in hell is happening today.


    Fidel just ruined Cuba, the education there sucks. Sure, there's no illiteracy there, but the cuban people knows nothing other than basic stuff.
    The healthcare there sucks, because the hospital are stuck in time, with old equipments. Ohh, and good luck buying medicines !

    Cuba used to be the 3rd richest country in latin america, before Fidel. Nowadays is one of the poorest, and Fildel, alone, was richer than the British royal family.

    Sure, he supplied the people with food. And kept them under control trought this.

    Ohhh, he also hated gays

    No wonder why the left worships him
    If Miami fits your description of hell the party is huge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE Bigzoman View Post
    Strangely enough, I couldn't find any information nor data about Cuba when I checked.

    Probably has something to do with the embargo and poor relations with the West. I'm genuinely curious though, how others are somehow experts on Cuban life under Castro.
    It is a relatively popular holiday destination for British people and we can consume all the Cuban cigars and rum we want, the animosity was mainly a US thing, not a Western thing in general.


    Castro was an old school dictator, he basically gave the people bread (though not much of it) and circuses (healthcare and education), but at the end of the day he was still a dictator. He was not the greatest villain in history, but he was certainly no hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    It is a relatively popular holiday destination for British people and we can consume all the Cuban cigars and rum we want, the animosity was mainly a US thing, not a Western thing in general.


    Castro was an old school dictator, he basically gave the people bread (though not much of it) and circuses (healthcare and education), but at the end of the day he was still a dictator. He was not the greatest villain in history, but he was certainly no hero.
    He was closer to be a vilain than a hero. He ordered the execution of thousands of its own people (numbers fluctuate between 15k and 20k). Which is an enormous number if you consider Cuba is a small island. He also kept political prisioners for decades, and many of them died there.

    He was everything the west despise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taftvalue View Post
    Better dead than red?
    better dumped then trumped
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSnow View Post
    Aren't those nations capitalist?(ffs Isn't america like the embodiment of capitalism?) They have socialist elements, sure, but they are still capitalist. Anyway my point was mainly refering to socialism in Latin America. Even Mujica which was the second most leftist president at the time, wasn't really socialist either.
    Scandinavia was a shit-hole before the socialist "revolution". I think the bigger culprit in your examples (in South America) is the fact that they were dictatorships, and they were generally a more troubled region (corruption and foreign interests that worked against them).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Scandinavia was a shit-hole before the socialist "revolution". I think the bigger culprit in your examples in South America is the fact that they were dictatorships, and they were generally a more troubled region (corruption and foreign interests that worked against them).
    No, Most of them were not dictatorships. Actually, most dictatorships that happened in latin america were right wing dictatorships.
    We had many socialist "democratic" governments here that just f*cked up their countries. Lula and Dilma in Brazil, Kichner in Argentina, Chavez and Maduro in Venezuela...

    All of them wanted to become the "Castro" of their countries, through "democratic means", but fortunately it didn't happen. Maduro is the one closer to achiev this, but i am pretty sure he will fail.

    Also, wtf is a socialist "revolution" in Scandinavia ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Scandinavia was a shit-hole before the socialist "revolution". I think the bigger culprit in your examples (in South America) is the fact that they were dictatorships, and they were generally a more troubled region (corruption and foreign interests that worked against them).
    That'd be part of the difference between a social democracy and democratic socialism. Sweden never really had that last one at any time. They are not the same despite the confusing names.
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