Cuba's Fidel Castro dies aged 90

[Damajin]

Like how to survive the CIA?

Genn bringing the Zing to the party.

[sonololo]

In 1959 he even visited the US and met Nixon in an attempt to reconcile with the US, his utter break with the US had a lot to do with the US hostility towards him and the constant US attempts to remove him from power.

Again, he was an asshat, but let's not claim any moral highground when there is none.

That's even more interesting in the hindsight of the JFK speech: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25660

Read after "The third, and perhaps most disastrous of our failures".

I still wonder why there was no attempt at reconciliation during JFK's term, but instead, a missile crisis.

[Sluvs]

I'm sorry dude, but I can't recall a single socialist presidency/dictatorship that did not ended with a devastated country.

Perú: Alan Garcia left the country with massive hyperinflation, high percentage of unemployment and terrorists.
Argentina: Christina same story, stories of corruption and left the economy of Argentina in a sorry state.
Bolivia: Evo Morales is unable to fund his own goverment programs and only keeps on borrowing, while making the nation more and more dependant on natural resources. In addition of the stories of corruption.
Venezuela: I think this is self explanatory.
Brasil: Dilma Rousseff now is being impeached.

Those are some examples, but socialism did not work in Latin America and just became a quick pathway for corruption. At least when capitalist dictatorships take power they don't fuck up the entire country.

LoL at the fact that you believe Dilma Roussef to be a socialist.

[Forogil]

I mean, its understandable why he hated the US, considering the CIA tried to kill him like over 100 times.

638 attempts by CIA and others according to Cuban counter-intelligence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uncancampbell2

CIA claims they had 8 attempts; I believe CIA is closer to the truth in this case.

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I just can't understand why the hell would CIA try to kill him more than 100 times ? Really, they didn't learn anything after, lets say... 10 attempts ?

Yes, they were investigated and ordered to stop: "No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination."

[Varitok]

638 attempts by CIA and others according to Cuban counter-intelligence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uncancampbell2

CIA claims they had 8 attempts; I believe CIA is closer to the truth in this case.

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Yes, they were investigated and ordered to stop: "No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination."

You believe the CIA? Thats a first, they always deny this stuff, imagine how terrible it would be for them to admit they failed 638 times?

[Pterodactylus]

You know picking up a history book now and then or just googling shit might be helpful.

See the whole of my comment. It was a joke - chillax brah.

[sonololo]

You believe the CIA? Thats a first, they always deny this stuff, imagine how terrible it would be for them to admit they failed 638 times?

You believe the Cuban intelligence? Thats a first, they always pin 630 attempts from 638 on the CIA, imagine how terrible it would be for them to admit that the its the Cubans who tried to assasinate Castro 630 times.

[Belize]

You believe the CIA? Thats a first, they always deny this stuff, imagine how terrible it would be for them to admit they failed 638 times?

TBF Cuban Intelligence more than likely associated everything to the CIA.

"El Presidente found a fly in his soup! Those damn CIA agents are at it again, that's attempt 542!"

[Rahulk]

And nothing of value was lost.

You sire are full of it. Fidel Castro was THE MAN of the Millennium. A man with a vision of freedom, justice and humanity in the purest of forms. A man who had a set of balls big enough to said no to the unjust practices of the most powerful enemy in the entire world, and never give up to any threat. A man intelligent enough to keep he's people alive, strong and fighting for an ideal all these long against the bully of all bullies. And a leader with an integrity and moral stature so high, that has being capable of make that tiny island the last example of human dignity in the whole world.

[sonololo]

You sire are full of it. Fidel Castro was THE MAN of the Millennium. A man with a vision of freedom, justice and humanity in the purest of forms. A man who had a set of balls big enough to said no to the unjust practices of the most powerful enemy in the entire world, and never give up to any threat. A man intelligent enough to keep he's people alive, strong and fighting for an ideal all these long against the bully of all bullies. And a leader with an integrity and moral stature so high, that has being capable of make that tiny island the last example of human dignity in the whole world.

Poe's law sure is applicable here.

[araine]

I'm honestly not sure how to feel on this XD. Who takes over? What doe it mean for Cuba and America relations or was he no longer in power?

He has not been president for the last 10 years.

[sonololo]

A man with a vision of freedom, justice and humanity in the purest of forms.

The Man who rounded AIDS victims to die alone,
The Man who repressed the homosexuals and ordered killing of them,
The Man who killed his moderate political opponents in masses,
The Man who introduced the "internal visas" so his people can't travel aboard except diplomats and olympic athletes,
The Man who through the 'fake news' got the support of the NYT and the left,
The Man who wanted the World burn in the nuclear flame,
The Man who turned his country's economy to shit, even when backed by might of the Soviet Union,

...and it's the man with a vision of freedom, justice and humanity in the purest of form?

Give me a slack.

The only good thing that he's done is the removal of Batista.

Also, check the JFK's speech on October 6, 1960, will open your eyes.

[May90]

This, He wasn't a good man for what he did but you can't claim what the US did was any better.

What are we talking about here exactly? The US government has provided one of the highest qualities of life to its citizens. What has Castro done for his nation? Defeated a dictator, only to build a much worse regime and screw all of his citizens? As bad as it was under Batista, it was 10 times worse under this guy. Under Batista, it was a typical dictatorship. Under Castro, it was one of the poorest and harshest dictatorships in the world.

You sire are full of it. Fidel Castro was THE MAN of the Millennium. A man with a vision of freedom, justice and humanity in the purest of forms. A man who had a set of balls big enough to said no to the unjust practices of the most powerful enemy in the entire world, and never give up to any threat. A man intelligent enough to keep he's people alive, strong and fighting for an ideal all these long against the bully of all bullies. And a leader with an integrity and moral stature so high, that has being capable of make that tiny island the last example of human dignity in the whole world.

What is this, I don't even...

[sonololo]

Under Batista, it was a typical dictatorship. Under Castro, it was one of the poorest and harshest dictatorships in the world.

At least, IMO, the US still made a big mistake when supporting Batista. It, at least, should've supported Castro with the intent of aligning him with them; so he then wasn't able to create a militaristic dictatorship. Maybe some non-democratic regime, but not hard authoritarian.

Still, it's like choosing between two shits.

[May90]

At least, IMO, the US still made a big mistake when supporting Batista. It, at least, should've supported Castro with the intent of aligning him with them; so he then wasn't able to create a militaristic dictatorship. Maybe some non-democratic regime, but not hard authoritarian.

Still, it's like choosing between two shits.

I doubt it could have worked, given that Castro was a communist and wanted to align with USSR, which at the time pretty much excluded any meaningful interaction with the US. What the US should have done, IMO, is support Batista, but demand harshly that he follows through with urgent democratic reforms and eventually gives his power up in favor of a democratically aligned government.

[Jimusmc]

This is the worst thing to happen all year. The US could learn a lot from him and Cuba.

Oh like steal everything from ALL citizens then murder them in the streets like dogs?

[NED funded]

I doubt it could have worked, given that Castro was a communist and wanted to align with USSR, which at the time pretty much excluded any meaningful interaction with the US. What the US should have done, IMO, is support Batista, but demand harshly that he follows through with urgent democratic reforms and eventually gives his power up in favor of a democratically aligned government.

Fun stuff. Before Castro took power he made effort to ensure a good relationship with the US. He later fucked up. But what matters is that the USA stopped supporting Batista because he had lost control over Cuba.

[sonololo]

I doubt it could have worked, given that Castro was a communist and wanted to align with USSR, which at the time pretty much excluded any meaningful interaction with the US.

I'm not sure about this, in the hindsight of his visit to US in 1959, when he wanted to mend relationships. But looks like that, yes.

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[May90]

Fun stuff. Before Castro took power he made effort to ensure a good relationship with the US. He later fucked up. But what matters is that the USA stopped supporting Batista because he had lost control over Cuba.

I'm not sure about this, in the hindsight of his visit to US in 1959, when he wanted to mend relationships. But looks like that, yes.

Castro was an idealist. I guess he hoped to gain both support of USSR and the US, not realizing that the relations between the two superpowers have deteriorated to the point at which associating with one means being ignored / sanctioned by another. It is a fun mental experiment though, to think on what would have happened if he had succeeded.