George Soros funding Jill Stein?

[Wolfheart9]

I don't expect it but im going to laugh my ass off if this results in trump losing.

I'd almost prefer what he'll do in power than what the whole far right nutter side will do if it's overturned.

[May90]

The democrats are all saying that they are only doing this to ensure that a fair count was done. If that is truly their reason then New Hampshire should be one of their target states.

I have no reason to waste time nor money for a recount in NH or anywhere else. I'm not a sore loser.

Is this new logic coming from online video games: "You lost, so shut up"? Yes, it is pretty clear that the main goal of Democrats here is to try to change the outcome of the election, if the fraud indeed took place - hence they target the particular states they have doubts about. If Republicans are concerned with NH, they can target NH. But they don't. I wonder why...

Now, don't get me wrong, I seriously doubt the elections were tampered with. Russian hackers or whoever are unlikely to have the ability to penetrate such a solid system. However, I don't see why people are so opposed to a simple recount. If you were 100% sure in the elections being fair and just, then why are you opposed to something that simply will confirm it?

I don't expect it but im going to laugh my ass off if this results in trump losing.

I want the EC to vote against him. So he can go look at his recent praise of the EC and shake head, "I've always been opposed to EC. You are wrooooong."

[Fahrenheit]

I don't expect it but im going to laugh my ass off if this results in trump losing.

If there was ever a year where something like this could happen it's 2016. Shit has been wild ride and flipping the election due to finding hard evidence of hacking, rigging, falsified counts, whatever, would be the grand finale.

[Kiri]

Thats why you got the democracy you deserve, with pathetic voter turnout, anything below 80% is a disaster when it comes to voter turn out if you ask me. and i havnt not missed a single election since the mid 80s

Yeah, sadly. Though apparently, it is worse in the USA where there are measures in place to keep people from voting without cost. In my country, we had least always vote on Sundays, so people don't have to skip work for it or anything like that. We were positively freaking out when it fell down to 70%, but fortunately, it recovered since then.

[Glowbowl]

I think the odd thing about this is the states in play, I'm all for recounts as it should be allowed but if that's how we are gonna play the game then maybe we should recount states like CA, and actually go through and remove illegal, and dead votes (If any, not to spark more conspiracy theory's). I am a firm believer that Trump won the majority of actual alive American votes.

[Orbitus]

I think the odd thing about this is the states in play, I'm all for recounts as it should be allowed but if that's how we are gonna play the game then maybe we should recount states like CA, and actually go through and remove illegal, and dead votes (If any, not to spark more conspiracy theory's). I am a firm believer that Trump won the majority of actual alive American votes.

You say this to not spark conspiracy theories, then spout bullshit conspiracy theories. Jesus fucking Christ.

[Zyster]

Democrats complain that Trump is dividing the nation while intentionally not recounting polls in any close race they won? It's the hypocrisy that pisses people off. Not that fact they actually won't do that. Even worse this isn't a singular instance of hypocrisy from Clinton and her followers. Republicans won already. It should not be up to them to do recount in any state, even the ones they lost. If Democrats want to pay for recounts, it should be among the entire spectrum, not just whatever can possible result in their victory and neglecting the rest. What I'm really fearful of is the call for recounts over and over from both sides. For example, there has been many instances reported of Clinton's cheating. Whether intentionally or not. I'm pretty sure if she happens to all the sudden magically win, there would be another call of recount. Luckily trump can pay for this out of pocket. And then the circle just continues.

[Elegiac]

I think the odd thing about this is the states in play, I'm all for recounts as it should be allowed but if that's how we are gonna play the game then maybe we should recount states like CA, and actually go through and remove illegal, and dead votes (If any, not to spark more conspiracy theory's). I am a firm believer that Trump won the majority of actual alive American votes.

I wonder why the fuhrer hasn't done this already; you'd think the bad publicity of coming to power on a quirk of a two hundred plus year old electoral model and lacking a popular mandate of about two million votes would compel him to do so.

Or it could be that this myth of 'illegal voters' is just that and if not for rust belt whites and an abortion of an electoral structure the fuhrer wouldn't be anywhere near office.

[Citizen T]

Is this new logic coming from online video games: "You lost, so shut up"? Yes, it is pretty clear that the main goal of Democrats here is to try to change the outcome of the election, if the fraud indeed took place - hence they target the particular states they have doubts about. If Republicans are concerned with NH, they can target NH. But they don't. I wonder why...

Now, don't get me wrong, I seriously doubt the elections were tampered with. Russian hackers or whoever are unlikely to have the ability to penetrate such a solid system. However, I don't see why people are so opposed to a simple recount. If you were 100% sure in the elections being fair and just, then why are you opposed to something that simply will confirm it?


I want the EC to vote against him. So he can go look at his recent praise of the EC and shake head, "I've always been opposed to EC. You are wrooooong."

Logic of bringing up the stated reason of Jill Stein and company? I have no problems with them asking for (and paying for) a recount. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of their so called moral compass of ensuring a fair count. Just call it what it is - as you did - an attempt to change the results in their favor. Don't try to take the moral high ground when it's pure selfishness that is driving motivation.

[Elegiac]

Democrats complain that Trump is dividing the nation while intentionally not recounting polls in any close race they won?

Jill Stein is a Democrat, apparently.

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Logic of bringing up the stated reason of Jill Stein and company? I have no problems with them asking for (and paying for) a recount. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of their so called moral compass of ensuring a fair count. Just call it what it is - as you did - an attempt to change the results in their favor. Don't try to take the moral high ground when it's pure selfishness that is driving motivation.

I think the goal of preventing a Trump presidency is rather selfless, actually.

[Zyster]

I wonder why the fuhrer hasn't done this already; you'd think the bad publicity of coming to power on a quirk of a two hundred plus year old electoral model and lacking a popular mandate of about two million votes would compel him to do so.

Or it could be that this myth of 'illegal voters' is just that and if not for rust belt whites and an abortion of an electoral structure the fuhrer wouldn't be anywhere near office.

#2016 argument? Because it's 200 years old automatically means flawed? People were just dumber right?

[alexw]

You say this to not spark conspiracy theories, then spout bullshit conspiracy theories. Jesus fucking Christ.

On the bright side he did make me laugh.

[Elegiac]

#2016 argument? Because it's 200 years old automatically means flawed?

In this case, yes. A great number of superior electoral models have been developed in the interim, to say nothing of the progress in political thought regarding things like how democratic a state should be, popular mandate, et cetera.

People were just dumber right?

No, just that the people in charge weren't interested in seeing people like you or me, you know, vote.

[Citizen T]

Jill Stein is a Democrat, apparently.

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I think the goal of preventing a Trump presidency is rather selfless, actually.

Yup, it's selfless just like most leftist policies. Spend other people's money for things that benefit you.

[Fahrenheit]

Democrats complain that Trump is dividing the nation while intentionally not recounting polls in any close race they won? It's the hypocrisy that pisses people off. Not that fact they actually won't do that. Even worse this isn't a singular instance of hypocrisy from Clinton and her followers. Republicans won already. It should not be up to them to do recount in any state, even the ones they lost. If Democrats want to pay for recounts, it should be among the entire spectrum, not just whatever can possible result in their victory and neglecting the rest. What I'm really fearful of is the call for recounts over and over from both sides. For example, there has been many instances reported of Clinton's cheating. Whether intentionally or not. I'm pretty sure if she happens to all the sudden magically win, there would be another call of recount. Luckily trump can pay for this out of pocket. And then the circle just continues.

You do know that the Democratic Party has nothing to do with starting this petition/fundraising for a recount in certain states, right?

[Elegiac]

Yup, it's selfless just like most leftist policies. Spend other people's money for things that benefit you.

'Other people's money', i.e. the money that is being willingly donated to Stein for the express purposes of electoral audit?

But hey, if we're going to bitch about wasted taxpayer dollars, let's talk about how much money is being wasted on security at Trump Tower.

[Zyster]

You do know that the Democratic Party has nothing to do with starting this petition/fundraising for a recount in certain states, right?

The point remains, regardless of political affiliation.

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'Other people's money', i.e. the money that is being willingly donated to Stein for the express purposes of electoral audit?

But hey, if we're going to bitch about wasted taxpayer dollars, let's talk about how much money is being wasted on security at Trump Tower.

Where do you think most of this money is coming from? Can you really deny that it is people on the left?

[Kiri]

Luckily trump can pay for this out of pocket. And then the circle just continues.

That might be one of the reasons why they only go for those select ones. It apparently costs a tonne of money to do it that not everyone can just do out of pocket. And if they raise money, they get theories like the OT for it. Though it is interesting how the Fox article is against a wealthy man potentially supporting a political agenda, when the other side just voted a wealthy man in in part because he can pay for all of that by himself.

Though there is also the point where all of this was motivated by a potential statistical discrepancy between paper ballots and digital ones. NH does not fall under that, so they naturally would not check that.

[GennGreymane]

The point remains, regardless of political affiliation.

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Where do you think most of this money is coming from? Can you really deny that it is people on the left?

does it matter?

[Elegiac]

Where do you think most of this money is coming from? Can you really deny that it is people on the left?

Which kinda contradicts your bitching about lefties 'spending other people's money', yeah?