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  1. #321
    Quote Originally Posted by Tripzzz View Post
    It is loosely related. The thread is about Genn vs Slyvanus and worgen vs forsaken by extension. Forsaken armies are able to reanimate fallen humans from the Alliance during battle, but if the Alliance has fire mages burn the corpses to ash that would solve the problem of getting your fallen turned against you. I think fire mages will be the Alliance's best weapon against the Forsaken.
    Or get bitten by a worgen or any other race face the forsaken because for a unknown reason the val'kyr can't rise night elves, dwarves, draenei or any other race of the alliance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tripzzz View Post
    It is loosely related. The thread is about Genn vs Slyvanus and worgen vs forsaken by extension. Forsaken armies are able to reanimate fallen humans from the Alliance during battle, but if the Alliance has fire mages burn the corpses to ash that would solve the problem of getting your fallen turned against you. I think fire mages will be the Alliance's best weapon against the Forsaken.
    Unless they all get killed again like the mages in Ambermill, Worgen are harder to kill than some mage in cloth robes.
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

  3. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrokur View Post
    Banshee have a power to be incorporeal for a short time and they can leave the possessed body when is too damaged(see the banshee of stratholme) so she can at least evade use her val'kyr but loss her body and as a soldier sylvanas should have awareness of top level. Lastly no she can't beat genn instantly because he is a fucking worgen a druid form based in goldrim a wild god of great power and well versed in the battle and in the novel wolfheart genn with worgen curse regained his the energies he had when he was young and fight with the same imperative like any young soldier with the curse, If one day they fight a death match surely would end like the battle of thor with the serpent of midgard in the ragnarok, one would win but with the wounds of the battle the winner will die a few seconds later
    Again, Sylvanas has different powers. Her power to turn incorporeal has been likened to Kitty Pride. Who can be incorporeal indefinitely. And Sylvanas can instantly kill Worgen just fine, she does that a lot in Silverpine. Worgen aren't magically immune to being pierced with arrows.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrokur View Post
    If her body is indestructible them why a bullet with magic can kill her? the character in fiction can be arrogant too and believe some things that are utterly false like thrall believing the elements forsaken him because he think he cheap in the mak gora duel with garrosh but in broken shore, he is making a earth bridge is just he is not right with his head because all the events that happened in mop+wod was his fault to put garrosh in charge in the first place, arthas saying tirion the light would not help him in unholy ground but then the light destroyed frostmourne and also give genn a credit after all that form of worgen is not just cosmetic is a form based of goldrim which is a powerful wild god and kings are hard to kill after all
    Indestructible, nearly indestructible, what's the difference lel. And considering how Sylvanas was trying to successfully kill herself at that moment, there really isn't any talk about arrogance here. She wanted to get the job done so she had to adjust for her capabilities. And if kings were hard to kill we'd still have king Llane ruling Stormwind and King Therenas ruling Lordaeron.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrokur View Post
    And low to the level of Genn would have make the things right? No that situation would have only get worse, she did the right thing in not trying to kill him and genn is not stupid to kill the warchief of the horde and neither the alliance or horde help us in the aegis that was a cover for both of them to get his price(sylvanas wanting to get more val kyrs and genn screwing the forsaken and if he could have the chance to kill sylvanas without getting the hands dirty) that is why i liked a lot Odyn and was hoping he would show up and wreak havoc in the Eyir temple.
    Make things right? No. But it wouldn't change anything. The war was already ongoing. Sylvanas couldn't make it more warry. Besides, she did try to kill him. The only reason he survived was because Sylvanas gargled on the idiot ball staring at Eyir and unconscious Genn was recovered by other Worgen. And Genn was stupid enough to shoot at the Warchief's fleet from a gunship. With high caliber munition, not hugs and sunshine.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrokur View Post
    Skirmish is not a total war, we don't see blood and night elves battling between them in suramar like in isle of thunder, if they were in a war like in mop they cant help each and other because they would be accused to be traitors by both factions
    They are cooperating under Kirin Tor, to whom Sylvanas sent envoys, and more importantly, under Khadgar personally. There are even Kirin Tor peacekeepers in place.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tripzzz View Post
    The definitions used fit the contexts just fine. The Forsaken do occupy a corner of Dalaran.
    Yeah, precisely why none of the examples for that definition mentioned people in general, let alone people in that specific context.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tripzzz View Post
    And burning a body to ash with fire before it is turned into a living corpse is a medical cure. Just like doctors removing a necrotic frostbitten limb from a patient with a saw is also a medical cure.
    Removing frostbitten limbs is a treatment, not a cure.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tripzzz View Post
    And if NPC dialogue is your only evidence then that isn't enough to conclusively prove anything.
    It proves everything unless you have coutner example. Which you don't. Which is why you stoop to inane deflections.
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  4. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    They are cooperating under Kirin Tor, to whom Sylvanas sent envoys, and more importantly, under Khadgar personally. There are even Kirin Tor peacekeepers in place.
    The horde and Alliance aren't at all out war though, the whole rogue campaign deals with actually stopping such an even, because the Alliance get false info, Eventually they clean house and everything remains at status quo, with some skirmish here and there.


    Though Genn personally can expect some really fun years ahead trying to reclaim Gilneas, because right now I can see Sylvanas planning to taint the land so much that no human can live there for generations to come.

  5. #325
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    The horde and Alliance aren't at all out war though, the whole rogue campaign deals with actually stopping such an even, because the Alliance get false info, Eventually they clean house and everything remains at status quo, with some skirmish here and there.


    Though Genn personally can expect some really fun years ahead trying to reclaim Gilneas, because right now I can see Sylvanas planning to taint the land so much that no human can live there for generations to come.
    There have been no mentions of them patching things up. They still kill each other over some rather useless towers. It's not like Detheroc's shenanigans contributed anything to Genn starting the conflict. He started it over his interpretation of what happened to Varian and that's on him and his confirmation bias. What could Detheroc do there? Pose as an Alliance soldier who for some reason was on the Horde side of the ridge and could swear how Sylvanas cackled maniacally while retreating? The only thing Detheroc could have done was fanning the flames further after the fact, especially by trying to poison Anduin's mind since he tried to keep level head about it. The conflict itself is on the factions, in particular the Alliance (again).
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  6. #326
    Honestly the whole Horde Vs. Alliance fight has become pretty forced at this point. This is one of the last remaining conflicts that either side gives a fuck about, and if it isn't resolved now, I doubt it ever will be without it becoming even more hard to suspend my disbelief.

  7. #327
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    Been saying it for a while... i'm good with class orders. Screw horde and alliance. I've had enough of the old troupe. Let them kill themselves, i don't care. I just don't want to have anything to do with it.

  8. #328
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    There have been no mentions of them patching things up. They still kill each other over some rather useless towers. It's not like Detheroc's shenanigans contributed anything to Genn starting the conflict. He started it over his interpretation of what happened to Varian and that's on him and his confirmation bias. What could Detheroc do there? Pose as an Alliance soldier who for some reason was on the Horde side of the ridge and could swear how Sylvanas cackled maniacally while retreating? The only thing Detheroc could have done was fanning the flames further after the fact, especially by trying to poison Anduin's mind since he tried to keep level head about it. The conflict itself is on the factions, in particular the Alliance (again).
    This is still pretty much only a skirmish, though incredible high ranking members are involved, we see no mobilization of both factions ready to beat the shit out of each other, like in Mop, the conflict between Sylvanas and Greymane is more akin to the whole situation on Ashran. Both are beating the crap out of each other, but ultimately we have no real war.

  9. #329
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Again, Sylvanas has different powers. Her power to turn incorporeal has been likened to Kitty Pride. Who can be incorporeal indefinitely. And Sylvanas can instantly kill Worgen just fine, she does that a lot in Silverpine. Worgen aren't magically immune to being pierced with arrows.
    One thing is killing a private soldier or in this case worgen and other is killing a king with the worgen curse, by your logic anyone could kill a Kil'jaeden because we have killed a lot of eredars in azsuna or in suramar or killing a ranger forsaken you can also take down nathanos


    Indestructible, nearly indestructible, what's the difference lel. And considering how Sylvanas was trying to successfully kill herself at that moment, there really isn't any talk about arrogance here. She wanted to get the job done so she had to adjust for her capabilities. And if kings were hard to kill we'd still have king Llane ruling Stormwind and King Therenas ruling Lordaeron.
    The difference is if you can killed and that have been show it when godfrey killed her and theron menace to kill her and I doubt he is in the habit of made empty threats, also Llane was murdered by Garona with daggers with some magic and Terenas was killed by his son Arthas the one who also killed sylvanas



    Make things right? No. But it wouldn't change anything. The war was already ongoing. Sylvanas couldn't make it more warry. Besides, she did try to kill him. The only reason he survived was because Sylvanas gargled on the idiot ball staring at Eyir and unconscious Genn was recovered by other Worgen. And Genn was stupid enough to shoot at the Warchief's fleet from a gunship. With high caliber munition, not hugs and sunshine.
    So far we dont see any other forces beside the forsaken and gilneas after the events of stormheim and also skirmish are that a attack of a army to another in small scales and probably both factions dont want to get more deeper in that, a battle would be like assault of the beach in the siege of orgrimar or the battle in the jade forest and genn could have killed her early if he hadn't started to talk about "your quest have made you vulnerable"


    They are cooperating under Kirin Tor, to whom Sylvanas sent envoys, and more importantly, under Khadgar personally. There are even Kirin Tor peacekeepers in place.
    Khagdar and Thalyssra say only TWO LEADERS respond the call and among them wasn't the undead elf, the night elves and blood elves are there independent if they high king/warchief say about the matter

  10. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrokur View Post
    One thing is killing a private soldier or in this case worgen and other is killing a king with the worgen curse, by your logic anyone could kill a Kil'jaeden because we have killed a lot of eredars in azsuna or in suramar or killing a ranger forsaken you can also take down nathanos
    If Kiljeaden is careless, then yes he can be killed by scrubs, he has an empowered eredar body, but that body still has limitations.

    The difference is if you can killed and that have been show it when godfrey killed her and theron menace to kill her and I doubt he is in the habit of made empty threats, also Llane was murdered by Garona with daggers with some magic and Terenas was killed by his son Arthas the one who also killed sylvanas
    Sylvanas is not as easily killed as an ordinary person lorewise, sure any dude with a decent tier weapon can kill her, like godfrey and his cursed bullets, but some characters are a tad more resilient than others, take magni for example ordinary swords would be useless against him, magical ones on the other hand might be effective.

  11. #331
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    If Kiljeaden is careless, then yes he can be killed by scrubs, he has an empowered eredar body, but that body still has limitations.



    Sylvanas is not as easily killed as an ordinary person lorewise, sure any dude with a decent tier weapon can kill her, like godfrey and his cursed bullets, but some characters are a tad more resilient than others, take magni for example ordinary swords would be useless against him, magical ones on the other hand might be effective.
    That is what I am being saying many of the leaders of the horde and alliance are powerful and have a high resilient like Genn get a "upgrade" with the worgen curse, Thrall with the elements, Sylvanas with the power arthas given her and others are just trained in to the limite of the physical body like Varok, Varian, Garrosh but even them had limits, the two girls Sylvanas and Jaina with a bullet in the head, Garrosh killed by electricity, etc that is what i am saying to @Mehrunes our leaders can be powerful even them they can be killed with right means(magical weapons, druids claws, magic energies, etc)

  12. #332
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerakal View Post
    Honestly the whole Horde Vs. Alliance fight has become pretty forced at this point. This is one of the last remaining conflicts that either side gives a fuck about, and if it isn't resolved now, I doubt it ever will be without it becoming even more hard to suspend my disbelief.
    But Blizzard for one reason or another love this yelling of "FOR THE HORDE/ALLIANCE." thing more than allowing a story of sanity prevailing and all leaders realising what real world leaders would have done if their lives are at stake against a world ending threat.

  13. #333
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post

    Yeah, precisely why none of the examples for that definition mentioned people in general, let alone people in that specific context.




    Removing frostbitten limbs is a treatment, not a cure.




    It proves everything unless you have coutner example. Which you don't. Which is why you stoop to inane deflections.
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/occupy

    "to reside in as an owner or tenant"


    Removing a necrotic limb or a cancerous tumor is in fact a cure. If a patient had tumors and those tumors were removed, the patient is effectively cured of the cancer. NPC dialogue still isnt enough to prove anything, no matter how you try to justify it.
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  14. #334
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    This is still pretty much only a skirmish, though incredible high ranking members are involved, we see no mobilization of both factions ready to beat the shit out of each other, like in Mop, the conflict between Sylvanas and Greymane is more akin to the whole situation on Ashran. Both are beating the crap out of each other, but ultimately we have no real war.
    And in WotLK post Varian's declaration in Undercity there was also only one skirmish at the gates of Icecrown (and Legion saw more than one skirmish). The factions still had to go through peace process to resolve it. Besides, an attack on the head of state is more than a skirmish and is more than sufficient as a declaration of war.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrokur View Post
    One thing is killing a private soldier or in this case worgen and other is killing a king with the worgen curse, by your logic anyone could kill a Kil'jaeden because we have killed a lot of eredars in azsuna or in suramar or killing a ranger forsaken you can also take down nathanos
    By my logic there's an established difference in power between various Eredar and no such thing in relation to the Worgen, because that's the actual lore. Try to operate in that. And yes, Nathanos doesn't have magical durability.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrokur View Post
    The difference is if you can killed and that have been show it when godfrey killed her and theron menace to kill her and I doubt he is in the habit of made empty threats, also Llane was murdered by Garona with daggers with some magic and Terenas was killed by his son Arthas the one who also killed sylvanas
    I have no clue what the hell you mean by the part in bold. And I know the bloody difference. That was my goddamn point. She got killed with a magic bullet because she is nearly indestructible. You going about her not being able to be indestructible (without the "nearly") because she got killed is deliberate misrepresentation of what has been said. And seriously, do you think Llane wouldn't have died if Garona used a steak knife? Thoras Trollbane was killed by his son, with no mention of any magical weapon being required to do it. Vol'jin died to a random Felguard. You're in no position to roll your eyes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrokur View Post
    So far we dont see any other forces beside the forsaken and gilneas after the events of stormheim and also skirmish are that a attack of a army to another in small scales and probably both factions dont want to get more deeper in that, a battle would be like assault of the beach in the siege of orgrimar or the battle in the jade forest and genn could have killed her early if he hadn't started to talk about "your quest have made you vulnerable"
    And we haven't seen any forces outside of Orcs and humans at Mord'rethar, factions were still at war in WotLK.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrokur View Post
    Khagdar and Thalyssra say only TWO LEADERS respond the call and among them wasn't the undead elf, the night elves and blood elves are there independent if they high king/warchief say about the matter
    Yes, so? Did I say Sylvanas sent them there? No, I did not.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrokur View Post
    That is what I am being saying many of the leaders of the horde and alliance are powerful and have a high resilient like Genn get a "upgrade" with the worgen curse, Thrall with the elements, Sylvanas with the power arthas given her and others are just trained in to the limite of the physical body like Varok, Varian, Garrosh but even them had limits, the two girls Sylvanas and Jaina with a bullet in the head, Garrosh killed by electricity, etc that is what i am saying to @Mehrunes our leaders can be powerful even them they can be killed with right means(magical weapons, druids claws, magic energies, etc)
    Worgen didn't get any additional upgrade over other Worgen. Arthas, Thrall or other people with actual powers above that of average mook are irrelevant to that. Yes, our leaders can be powerful and more often than not are. But being powerful, let alone a leader, doesn't make one particularly durable above the average person unless the powers specifically make it so. In Sylvanas' case, they make it so, given her unique predicament. Varian is just another Worgen without anything more than that going for him. Orgrim, the second Warchief of the Horde, was killed by a random knight. By your logic it should be impossibru.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    And in WotLK post Varian's declaration in Undercity there was also only one skirmish at the gates of Icecrown (and Legion saw more than one skirmish). The factions still had to go through peace process to resolve it. Besides, an attack on the head of state is more than a skirmish and is more than sufficient as a declaration of war.
    The Rogue campaign would make zero sense then, because you are told you just averted all out war. Besides if blizz actually says both factions are at war, while simultaneously battling the legion, then the story has reached rock bottom.

  16. #336
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    The Rogue campaign would make zero sense then, because you are told you just averted all out war. Besides if blizz actually says both factions are at war, while simultaneously battling the legion, then the story has reached rock bottom.
    There's a difference between a war and all out war. As I said, Detheroc most likely tried to sway Anduin, who was against taking action against the Horde and probably wanted to fix Genn's mess. Wouldn't be the first Dreadlord that tried to corrupt him. Again with the WotLK example, they fought in that entire expansion less than they already did in Legion. And yet they were hostile to each other and had to go through a peace process to patch things up and normalize their relations. No such thing has been mentioned for Legion yet. And please, Blizzard reached rock bottom ages ago. They dug through it and continue to expand the frontier of bad writing in this new uncharted underground world each passing day.
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  17. #337
    By my logic there's an established difference in power between various Eredar and no such thing in relation to the Worgen, because that's the actual lore. Try to operate in that. And yes, Nathanos doesn't have magical durability.
    No you dont because you are saying all worgen have the same power level and the druid form is a boost of power depending of the user power if that werent the case how that heck did ivar bloodfang survived to all the persecution from forsaken and early from gilneans.



    I have no clue what the hell you mean by the part in bold. And I know the bloody difference. That was my goddamn point. She got killed with a magic bullet because she is nearly indestructible. You going about her not being able to be indestructible (without the "nearly") because she got killed is deliberate misrepresentation of what has been said. And seriously, do you think Llane wouldn't have died if Garona used a steak knife? Thoras Trollbane was killed by his son, with no mention of any magical weapon being required to do it. Vol'jin died to a random Felguard. You're in no position to roll your eyes.
    My friend you are acting like Ana in that thread about arthas the prince who saved the world, putting a fictional character in a pedestal, if she was indestructible like you like to claim, them how is she killed by a bullet in the first place? The same thing happens to jaina in warcrimes, they have a lot of resilience but leaders of both faction can be still by killed by normal means. About Kings remember they are trained since childhood to be goods warriors like varian or arthas(some chose a gun instead of a sword or choose the light like Anduin) and that training put them above the majority of the privates soldiers of the army and if one of them got a boost like a worgen form(aka werewolf of blizzard) they would have a lot more of resilience




    And we haven't seen any forces outside of Orcs and humans at Mord'rethar, factions were still at war in WotLK.
    No they weren't at war, varok told garrosh to not attack the outpost of the alliance in the tundra, the orc commander in grizzly hills is challenge to a fight by her sister because she started to attack many bases of the alliance in that zone, heck there's even a quest where you scout deserters soldiers of the alliance to near the valiant keep the others combats are just skirmish like the battle of orgrim hammer


    Yes, so? Did I say Sylvanas sent them there? No, I did not.
    From you

    They are cooperating under Kirin Tor, to whom Sylvanas sent envoys, and more importantly, under Khadgar personally. There are even Kirin Tor peacekeepers in place.
    And no she didn't send anybody and the peacekeeper are just flamant adorns



    Worgen didn't get any additional upgrade over other Worgen. Arthas, Thrall or other people with actual powers above that of average mook are irrelevant to that. Yes, our leaders can be powerful and more often than not are. But being powerful, let alone a leader, doesn't make one particularly durable above the average person unless the powers specifically make it so. In Sylvanas' case, they make it so, given her unique predicament. Varian is just another Worgen without anything more than that going for him. Orgrim, the second Warchief of the Horde, was killed by a random knight. By your logic it should be impossibru.
    I think you get the wrong idea, yes all the leaders can be killed by any soldier if they are careless we saw that in jaina/sylvanas with a bullet, nathanos almost killed by greymane,garrosh by kobols, etc but they are above any random soldier or do you think any shaman can beat the cata thrall or any archer beat sylvanas in a duel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    undercity to stormwind was a small amount of people, not a massive army of hundreds of thousends
    She only needs to port Varian, really.

    the skyfire wasent there yet it was veyr far away and in the sky, something moving around in the sky is very risky to teleport to...
    Very far away, but close enough for a fel reaver to grab, close enough for Varian to jump off of and survive the fall, and I suppose mages can't port to Dalaran on account of it being very far away and in the sky?

    shes been to UC before back before it became UC?
    Uh, no, she's been to Lordaeron before it became the ruins of Lordaeron. The entire Undercity was built after Lordaeron's fall. NO, there was not a giant death-themed underground catacombs beneath Lordaeron previously to its fall, jesus christ.


    and how many is "forces" ? 5?
    Try like 100. Just cause the in-game representation is ~20 units (which is still worth saving at the broken shore!) doesn't mean it was really that small.

    It's REALLY funny the maximum 40 players + 6 or so NPCs at the Broken shore = hundreds of thousands when you're claiming its "too much" to port, but the siege of Undercity is extremely literal and exactly the amount represented by in-game NPCs for you.

    Talk about about being inconsistent as long as its convenient for you.

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    The skyfire was not in the broken shore ending cinematic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oneirophobia View Post
    Uh, no, she's been to Lordaeron before it became the ruins of Lordaeron. The entire Undercity was built after Lordaeron's fall. NO, there was not a giant death-themed underground catacombs beneath Lordaeron previously to its fall, jesus christ.
    Undercity was built as prison for Lordaeron city in the 2nd war " just giving a note "
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