Again, Sylvanas has different powers. Her power to turn incorporeal has been likened to Kitty Pride. Who can be incorporeal indefinitely. And Sylvanas can instantly kill Worgen just fine, she does that a lot in Silverpine. Worgen aren't magically immune to being pierced with arrows.
Indestructible, nearly indestructible, what's the difference lel. And considering how Sylvanas was trying to successfully kill herself at that moment, there really isn't any talk about arrogance here. She wanted to get the job done so she had to adjust for her capabilities. And if kings were hard to kill we'd still have king Llane ruling Stormwind and King Therenas ruling Lordaeron.
Make things right? No. But it wouldn't change anything. The war was already ongoing. Sylvanas couldn't make it more warry. Besides, she did try to kill him. The only reason he survived was because Sylvanas gargled on the idiot ball staring at Eyir and unconscious Genn was recovered by other Worgen. And Genn was stupid enough to shoot at the Warchief's fleet from a gunship. With high caliber munition, not hugs and sunshine.
They are cooperating under Kirin Tor, to whom Sylvanas sent envoys, and more importantly, under Khadgar personally. There are even Kirin Tor peacekeepers in place.
Yeah, precisely why none of the examples for that definition mentioned people in general, let alone people in that specific context.
Removing frostbitten limbs is a treatment, not a cure.
It proves everything unless you have coutner example. Which you don't. Which is why you stoop to inane deflections.
The horde and Alliance aren't at all out war though, the whole rogue campaign deals with actually stopping such an even, because the Alliance get false info, Eventually they clean house and everything remains at status quo, with some skirmish here and there.
Though Genn personally can expect some really fun years ahead trying to reclaim Gilneas, because right now I can see Sylvanas planning to taint the land so much that no human can live there for generations to come.
There have been no mentions of them patching things up. They still kill each other over some rather useless towers. It's not like Detheroc's shenanigans contributed anything to Genn starting the conflict. He started it over his interpretation of what happened to Varian and that's on him and his confirmation bias. What could Detheroc do there? Pose as an Alliance soldier who for some reason was on the Horde side of the ridge and could swear how Sylvanas cackled maniacally while retreating? The only thing Detheroc could have done was fanning the flames further after the fact, especially by trying to poison Anduin's mind since he tried to keep level head about it. The conflict itself is on the factions, in particular the Alliance (again).
Honestly the whole Horde Vs. Alliance fight has become pretty forced at this point. This is one of the last remaining conflicts that either side gives a fuck about, and if it isn't resolved now, I doubt it ever will be without it becoming even more hard to suspend my disbelief.
Been saying it for a while... i'm good with class orders. Screw horde and alliance. I've had enough of the old troupe. Let them kill themselves, i don't care. I just don't want to have anything to do with it.
This is still pretty much only a skirmish, though incredible high ranking members are involved, we see no mobilization of both factions ready to beat the shit out of each other, like in Mop, the conflict between Sylvanas and Greymane is more akin to the whole situation on Ashran. Both are beating the crap out of each other, but ultimately we have no real war.
One thing is killing a private soldier or in this case worgen and other is killing a king with the worgen curse, by your logic anyone could kill a Kil'jaeden because we have killed a lot of eredars in azsuna or in suramar or killing a ranger forsaken you can also take down nathanos
The difference is if you can killed and that have been show it when godfrey killed her and theron menace to kill her and I doubt he is in the habit of made empty threats, also Llane was murdered by Garona with daggers with some magic and Terenas was killed by his son Arthas the one who also killed sylvanasIndestructible, nearly indestructible, what's the difference lel. And considering how Sylvanas was trying to successfully kill herself at that moment, there really isn't any talk about arrogance here. She wanted to get the job done so she had to adjust for her capabilities. And if kings were hard to kill we'd still have king Llane ruling Stormwind and King Therenas ruling Lordaeron.
So far we dont see any other forces beside the forsaken and gilneas after the events of stormheim and also skirmish are that a attack of a army to another in small scales and probably both factions dont want to get more deeper in that, a battle would be like assault of the beach in the siege of orgrimar or the battle in the jade forest and genn could have killed her early if he hadn't started to talk about "your quest have made you vulnerable"Make things right? No. But it wouldn't change anything. The war was already ongoing. Sylvanas couldn't make it more warry. Besides, she did try to kill him. The only reason he survived was because Sylvanas gargled on the idiot ball staring at Eyir and unconscious Genn was recovered by other Worgen. And Genn was stupid enough to shoot at the Warchief's fleet from a gunship. With high caliber munition, not hugs and sunshine.
Khagdar and Thalyssra say only TWO LEADERS respond the call and among them wasn't the undead elf, the night elves and blood elves are there independent if they high king/warchief say about the matterThey are cooperating under Kirin Tor, to whom Sylvanas sent envoys, and more importantly, under Khadgar personally. There are even Kirin Tor peacekeepers in place.
If Kiljeaden is careless, then yes he can be killed by scrubs, he has an empowered eredar body, but that body still has limitations.
Sylvanas is not as easily killed as an ordinary person lorewise, sure any dude with a decent tier weapon can kill her, like godfrey and his cursed bullets, but some characters are a tad more resilient than others, take magni for example ordinary swords would be useless against him, magical ones on the other hand might be effective.The difference is if you can killed and that have been show it when godfrey killed her and theron menace to kill her and I doubt he is in the habit of made empty threats, also Llane was murdered by Garona with daggers with some magic and Terenas was killed by his son Arthas the one who also killed sylvanas
That is what I am being saying many of the leaders of the horde and alliance are powerful and have a high resilient like Genn get a "upgrade" with the worgen curse, Thrall with the elements, Sylvanas with the power arthas given her and others are just trained in to the limite of the physical body like Varok, Varian, Garrosh but even them had limits, the two girls Sylvanas and Jaina with a bullet in the head, Garrosh killed by electricity, etc that is what i am saying to @Mehrunes our leaders can be powerful even them they can be killed with right means(magical weapons, druids claws, magic energies, etc)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/occupy
"to reside in as an owner or tenant"
Removing a necrotic limb or a cancerous tumor is in fact a cure. If a patient had tumors and those tumors were removed, the patient is effectively cured of the cancer. NPC dialogue still isnt enough to prove anything, no matter how you try to justify it.
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And in WotLK post Varian's declaration in Undercity there was also only one skirmish at the gates of Icecrown (and Legion saw more than one skirmish). The factions still had to go through peace process to resolve it. Besides, an attack on the head of state is more than a skirmish and is more than sufficient as a declaration of war.
By my logic there's an established difference in power between various Eredar and no such thing in relation to the Worgen, because that's the actual lore. Try to operate in that. And yes, Nathanos doesn't have magical durability.
I have no clue what the hell you mean by the part in bold. And I know the bloody difference. That was my goddamn point. She got killed with a magic bullet because she is nearly indestructible. You going about her not being able to be indestructible (without the "nearly") because she got killed is deliberate misrepresentation of what has been said. And seriously, do you think Llane wouldn't have died if Garona used a steak knife? Thoras Trollbane was killed by his son, with no mention of any magical weapon being required to do it. Vol'jin died to a random Felguard. You're in no position to roll your eyes.
And we haven't seen any forces outside of Orcs and humans at Mord'rethar, factions were still at war in WotLK.
Yes, so? Did I say Sylvanas sent them there? No, I did not.
Worgen didn't get any additional upgrade over other Worgen. Arthas, Thrall or other people with actual powers above that of average mook are irrelevant to that. Yes, our leaders can be powerful and more often than not are. But being powerful, let alone a leader, doesn't make one particularly durable above the average person unless the powers specifically make it so. In Sylvanas' case, they make it so, given her unique predicament. Varian is just another Worgen without anything more than that going for him. Orgrim, the second Warchief of the Horde, was killed by a random knight. By your logic it should be impossibru.
There's a difference between a war and all out war. As I said, Detheroc most likely tried to sway Anduin, who was against taking action against the Horde and probably wanted to fix Genn's mess. Wouldn't be the first Dreadlord that tried to corrupt him. Again with the WotLK example, they fought in that entire expansion less than they already did in Legion. And yet they were hostile to each other and had to go through a peace process to patch things up and normalize their relations. No such thing has been mentioned for Legion yet. And please, Blizzard reached rock bottom ages ago. They dug through it and continue to expand the frontier of bad writing in this new uncharted underground world each passing day.
No you dont because you are saying all worgen have the same power level and the druid form is a boost of power depending of the user power if that werent the case how that heck did ivar bloodfang survived to all the persecution from forsaken and early from gilneans.By my logic there's an established difference in power between various Eredar and no such thing in relation to the Worgen, because that's the actual lore. Try to operate in that. And yes, Nathanos doesn't have magical durability.
My friend you are acting like Ana in that thread about arthas the prince who saved the world, putting a fictional character in a pedestal, if she was indestructible like you like to claim, them how is she killed by a bullet in the first place? The same thing happens to jaina in warcrimes, they have a lot of resilience but leaders of both faction can be still by killed by normal means. About Kings remember they are trained since childhood to be goods warriors like varian or arthas(some chose a gun instead of a sword or choose the light like Anduin) and that training put them above the majority of the privates soldiers of the army and if one of them got a boost like a worgen form(aka werewolf of blizzard) they would have a lot more of resilienceI have no clue what the hell you mean by the part in bold. And I know the bloody difference. That was my goddamn point. She got killed with a magic bullet because she is nearly indestructible. You going about her not being able to be indestructible (without the "nearly") because she got killed is deliberate misrepresentation of what has been said. And seriously, do you think Llane wouldn't have died if Garona used a steak knife? Thoras Trollbane was killed by his son, with no mention of any magical weapon being required to do it. Vol'jin died to a random Felguard. You're in no position to roll your eyes.
No they weren't at war, varok told garrosh to not attack the outpost of the alliance in the tundra, the orc commander in grizzly hills is challenge to a fight by her sister because she started to attack many bases of the alliance in that zone, heck there's even a quest where you scout deserters soldiers of the alliance to near the valiant keep the others combats are just skirmish like the battle of orgrim hammerAnd we haven't seen any forces outside of Orcs and humans at Mord'rethar, factions were still at war in WotLK.
From youYes, so? Did I say Sylvanas sent them there? No, I did not.
And no she didn't send anybody and the peacekeeper are just flamant adornsThey are cooperating under Kirin Tor, to whom Sylvanas sent envoys, and more importantly, under Khadgar personally. There are even Kirin Tor peacekeepers in place.
I think you get the wrong idea, yes all the leaders can be killed by any soldier if they are careless we saw that in jaina/sylvanas with a bullet, nathanos almost killed by greymane,garrosh by kobols, etc but they are above any random soldier or do you think any shaman can beat the cata thrall or any archer beat sylvanas in a duel?Worgen didn't get any additional upgrade over other Worgen. Arthas, Thrall or other people with actual powers above that of average mook are irrelevant to that. Yes, our leaders can be powerful and more often than not are. But being powerful, let alone a leader, doesn't make one particularly durable above the average person unless the powers specifically make it so. In Sylvanas' case, they make it so, given her unique predicament. Varian is just another Worgen without anything more than that going for him. Orgrim, the second Warchief of the Horde, was killed by a random knight. By your logic it should be impossibru.
She only needs to port Varian, really.
Very far away, but close enough for a fel reaver to grab, close enough for Varian to jump off of and survive the fall, and I suppose mages can't port to Dalaran on account of it being very far away and in the sky?the skyfire wasent there yet it was veyr far away and in the sky, something moving around in the sky is very risky to teleport to...
Uh, no, she's been to Lordaeron before it became the ruins of Lordaeron. The entire Undercity was built after Lordaeron's fall. NO, there was not a giant death-themed underground catacombs beneath Lordaeron previously to its fall, jesus christ.shes been to UC before back before it became UC?
Try like 100. Just cause the in-game representation is ~20 units (which is still worth saving at the broken shore!) doesn't mean it was really that small.and how many is "forces" ? 5?
It's REALLY funny the maximum 40 players + 6 or so NPCs at the Broken shore = hundreds of thousands when you're claiming its "too much" to port, but the siege of Undercity is extremely literal and exactly the amount represented by in-game NPCs for you.
Talk about about being inconsistent as long as its convenient for you.
The skyfire was not in the broken shore ending cinematic.
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