Alleria should be Horde.

[Kallisto]

dident know that, thought they joined before the starting zone


to be fair its been since TBC since ive done the zone :P

The last thing you did in the Blood Elf start zone, well before Cataclysm, was to go to see Thrall as the representative of the Blood elves, recite the loyalty oath and join the horde.

The blood elf start zone is basically this.

Sunstrider Isle:
Learn how to absorb mana from creatures (tutorial for racial)
Cull predator animals and few ents that have got out of control reluctantly.
Learn and revere those that fought valiantly against the scourge invasion (minus Sylvanas at this time)
Deal with wretched threat.

Eversong.
Pick up a dead outrunners manifest and deliver it to the rightful recipient.
Deal with more wretched in ruins of old Silvermoon
go to malfunctioning sanctum which was built(west sanctum) clear out the mana creatures. Find stealthed night elf sentinels. Kill them, find their orders. (Which as posted before state to sabotage sanctum)
Go kill their leader which is the dwarf who the Blood Elves thought was there to negotiate the elves rejoining the alliance (after they left because Garithos and yes he was in command of the alliance in TFT).
Then a bunch of things with more wretche, murlocks, Amani trolls, stupid students, finding the dead scar is permanent and heartbreakingly have to kill tree ents who the elves have had good relations with because the ents are desperate to rebuild a forest, but don't realise the Elves can't allow it due to scourge likelyhood of using it to sneak into Eversong. (And couple other things I missed out.)

Ghostlands:
This is where most Blood elf players see their first horde, a Forsaken woman who sends you off to cure an ailment on a Farstrider.
Tranquillen where you find Sylvanas has sent her own forces to help the Blood elves against the scourge, no reason except for how she feels about her old people. Also get quests to go over North and West Ghostlands. One to clear a Nubian held village. Another to kill scourged controlled ghosts of highelves, due to the scourge tactics. Find a Night Elf raiding party with plans to cause more damage to the still neutral Blood elves. Plus dealing with dead scar.
This builds up to clearing Windrunner spire. You get Sylvanas pendent that was a gift from Alleria. Sylvanas pretends to disown her past life but her true self opens up (Lament of the Highborne.).
Back to Ghostlands, fight Amani trolls. Then you do the Deathholm stuff. Kill Dar'Khan Drathir. Go see Thrall who sees that the Blood elves can be worthy of the Horde, plus the Blood elves link to outland means both the Elves and Horde need each other. Then you go running around the 20-60 zones. As you just brought the Blood Elves into the Horde.

[ravenmoon]

You gotta remember that Tyrande spoke against the Helves joining the Alliance, and it was Sylvanas who offerered help to rebuild and mantain Silvermoon. It was that help from the Undead towards the Belves that made them join the Horde.

The way i have come to understand it, the night elves (not Tyrande) spoke against the blood elves in their power craze phase (not the high elves) joining the alliance - I presume after seeing them taking the path their Zin'Azshari highborne ancestors took - the night elves warned the alliance.

Let's not forget whiles they showed amazing character to rebel against the queen in her own court and fight the demons, but they were part of the core group summoning the demons in the first place and were affected by the same mindset. while they turned to their credit, and lived up to Darth'remar's standards and dreams, the night elves meet the blood elves at a place where they have forsaken their caution and decided to gain power by any means necessary - at that time, and this was shown in very reckless beahviour, i would presume joining Illidan, sucking fel, counted towards that.

I would think the night elves were in Shalandris isle to assess the situation and see what state the blood elves remaining in Azeroth were at, instead they got slaughtered, adopted an aggressive no tolerance policy against people they already knew - if you consider the dwarf that was beheaded (this is not like the night elves shooting on sight the horde/alliance in WC3 when they entered Ashenvale, - strange army they ddin't know given the sacred charge to protect the well of eternity - ) the blood elves knew.

These are not the high elves she knew, they may be her people, but they're different, it's like Tyrande viewing the Nightborne that put up a shield, she disowns them them for it at first, but she laments them and helps them anyway after that initial statement, as you she instructs you to assist her taking out key targets, training and inspiring the shal'dorei to resist. however, the blood elves aren't serving the legion or being oppressed by them currently, and whiles they are not the same as they were in their evil hour in tft-tbc period, they are changed.

i think that while High elves remain as they were prior to the blood elf change, Alleria will identify more with them. in her WC2 state. that's not accounting the change she has undergone though.

[Friendlyimmolation]

People seem to forget Alleria used to lick fel orc blood off her blades and was ready to damn to rules to keep killing orcs. She was in many ways the proto blood elf. If anything her mindset would be more common among the Blood elves who were for so long only about vengeance.

[Koryn123]

TLDR: Non-combatant (against Horde) member of the Alliance with close ties to Quel'thalas, with her main goal being to reunify the High and Blood Elves in their homeland.

Like Captain Auric Sunchaser, her second-in-command, who, along with her forces from Allerian Stronghold, are safe in Quel'thalas, at least on the Isle of Quel'danas. Auric was first and foremost a Farstrider, and never forsook his duty to defend the rights and interests of the elves like Vereesa has with her selfish quest for misplaced vengeance against all Blood Elves for crimes committed by individuals. Because the Blood Elven authorities (presumably) weren't doing much to make sure the high elves were taken care of as much as they would for blood elves, Auric took it upon himself to do so, and make certain that high elven pilgrims would be treated fairly and with just as much courtesy as Lor'themar would for the blood elves.

Auric took it upon himself, as the highest-ranking Farstrider remaining among the High Elves (if Ranger-Lord Renthar Hawkspear's nonsensical death as a rare spawn in EPL is canon, though he didn't seem interested in taking on a role like that anyway), to represent those very vulnerable and dependent elves who were allowed by Lor'themar to return to Quel'thalas to the Sunwell. It's unknown if many have returned to live there, but there are a few blue-eyed NPCs with blood elf voice files (like Lanesh the Steelweaver on Isle of Thunder and in Suramar), so it's possible that there are some who've rejoined their kingdom.


Alleria should take up Auric's quest to bring the elves back together again, since she's the only elf who'd have the ear of both groups. She's a ranger, fiercely loyal to Quel'thalas like Lor'themar and Halduron, and she's Vereesa's sister. Silvermoon and the Silver Covenant would both listen to her, especially with Auric and his fellow elves from Allerian Stronghold, and any who've come under their wing on Quel'danas, logically throwing their full support behind their former commander again.


Alleria wouldn't hate the Darkspear, especially after all they've done to help Quel'thalas (like Zandalari uprising in Zul'Aman).
She would have misgivings about the orcs, but the Blood Elves would explain why they joined the Horde.
I doubt she'd care about the goblins, tauren, or Huojin pandaren.
She would probably be wary of the Forsaken too, but the Blood Elves might vouch for them.

She SHOULD be cross with Dalaran for the Kirin Tor shattering the 3,000-year bond of actual real friendship and trust (the only one Quel'thalas had with anyone, apart from the Wildhammers, since their bond with the other human kingdoms after the initial appreciation for Strom's assistance in the Troll Wars wore off after a while was merely a contractual one), not apologizing while still having the gall to ask for Silvermoon's help against Malygos, standing by a second time while the Blood Elves were rounded up in another ethnic cleansing, not apologizing, and even making the Blood Elves apologize before they let them back in Dalaran to be second-class citizens. But Blizzard doesn't seem interested in pursuing any plot point that paints Dalaran and the Kirin Tor as anything but a perfect paradise of tolerance and neutrality at this time.

She SHOULD be cross with at least Ironforge and the Alliance's new (to her) night elf allies in Darnassus for spying on her people and occupying their territory while the dwarf pretended to be an ambassador working toward bringing them back into the Alliance, but that would damage Tyrande's constant self-righteous indignation at having to sully her eyes by looking at Horde, so I doubt that'll happen either.

She SHOULD be cross with Vereesa for swearing vengeance against all Blood Elves for their cousin trying and failing to kidnap her sons, when he wasn't affiliated with Quel'thalas anymore, working only for Sinestra. And if not that, then swearing vengeance against all Blood Elves for the Alliance forcing them into the Horde, when her husband really didn't have much of a problem with them. And if not that, then swearing vengeance against all Blood Elves for Garrosh killing a bunch of people, including her husband because he got involved in a conflict he had no place in, by using a weapon built by a Blood Elf. And if not that, then carrying out the Purge in the bloodiest way possible, and doing nothing to rein in herself or her followers from beating and killing countless innocents, when the Silver Covenant had no political authority (or any authority whatsoever) to make arrests in Dalaran, and Jaina, being just one member of a council (that she leads the Council of Six is irrelevant. Rhonin, Khadgar, and Antonidas all held lawful fair votes for any major decisions on the level of a good old fashioned ethnic cleansing before joining a bloody war). But again, Blizzard isn't interested in providing blood elf fans with any sort of justice, only force-feeding them the drivel that Vereesa actually has a good reason for her actions, and that the blood elves forgive or respect her enough to be her lackeys in the Thas'dorah scenario, despite her being incompetent.

She SHOULD be a little cross with Lor'themar banishing the elves who went to Quel'lithien, but as she's no stranger to making sacrifices to defend Quel'thalas, she'd likely understand that he had no choice in such dire circumstances as a zombie apocalypse with a bunch of whiny vegans who didn't want what was for dinner. And as Blizzard has no qualms about embarrassing the blood elves, unlike humans or high elves, I wouldn't be surprised if they made a huge deal of it.


She SHOULD be loyal to her kingdom, but obviously still friendly to the Alliance (despite Ironforge and Gnomeregan's survivors being the only people in the faction who were in it as a kingdom and friendly with their allies when she was last on Azeroth, since Stormwind was defunct and Gilneas was a dickbag), and neutral at best toward the rest of the Horde. But since Blizzard doesn't like giving blood elves nice things, only making them incompetent damsels in distress who need to be rescued by the hero Kirin Tor all the time, I wouldn't be surprised if Alleria got back, went to Dalaran, and never mentioned Quel'thalas or the high/blood elf divide.

[ravenmoon]

her son is alliance....

that's also a very good point, and her husband too

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Has Alleria got more family that we don't know about in the Horde? Its literally just Sylvanas as far as I know. Her brother Lirath was killed by the Orc's, hence her hatred of them. Where did you read that she does not hate them anymore?

Its not choosing between a grudge and her people, its choosing her family and friends, her children, her partner and Khadgar. She will probably be neutral coz most alliance lore characters are but personally I think that will be out of place for her, she has reason to hate the orcs and horde.

i always thought the blood elves adopted a twisted view when they switched factions, it stopped being about what was good or right and started becoming about what was in their own best interest, in my opinion they lost their high calling and their nobility when it started being just about them. Liadrin has made much progress, so there is hope hteyll be back there, but still a lot of indication in various NPCs and quests that the self-serving, power hungry blood elves are still rather numerous, at elast they're not going all reckless, and at least they have some very reputable individuals amongst them too.

[Aquamonkey]

Yep, the son she abandoned...

[ravenmoon]

Yep, the son she abandoned...

we both know that situation was not her abandoning him. That is not what abandonment is

[Traveler Voltin]

The son is also neutral now.

[Zulkhan]

oh really? i thought when you started the starting zone they had allready joined the horde, interesting

Quite the opposite, they join the Horde at the very end of the Eversong/Ghostlands storyline.

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The son is also neutral now.

To be fair, in Legion almost everything is neutral because factions are in shambles.

[MikeBogina]

I've always looked at it like the High Elves/Blood Elves were removed from the Alliance because of Garithos' actions that were to execute all the ones in Dalaran. These being the same Elves who would rather help Dalaran out more than their own people back in Quel'Thalas. So for there to be a group of High Elves in the Alliance means these people were so disconnected with the main populace that they don't even know the suffering of the other 2 groups(Quel's/Kael's).

Alleria should have more in common with the Blood Elves, they also make up 90% of the High Elf population and hold their own city and country, while the high Elves live in Stormwind, Darnasus(When they're not being murdered) and Dalaran(How, is beyond me since they're the original high Elves of Dalaran).




On the Blood Elves joining the Horde? The Blood Elves were reclaiming their land and trying to survive and the first group to help them... it wasn't the Alliance, it wasn't their fellow High Elves that didn't suffer at all, but rather the Forsaken, because one cold hearted Sylvanas actually cared about her people. Alleria, if she's at all a leader and cares for her people and their safety, she'd return to Quel'Thalas.

[Koryn123]

i think that while High elves remain as they were prior to the blood elf change, Alleria will identify more with them. in her WC2 state. that's not accounting the change she has undergone though.

The only high elves who remained as they were prior to Quel'thalas' destruction were the elves at Allerian Stronghold. Didn't see anything wrong with magic, or feeding their addiction. They saw it as their birthright, and made no steps to quit using it. The same could be said for the Quel'lithien elves, who had no problem feeding their addiction, as long as it wasn't from living things, which unfortunately cursed most all of them into Wretched.

The only thing the elves in the Silver Covenant have is blue eyes. Apart from that, they embody the oddballs of pre-Arthas Quel'thalas, the ones who are super enthusiastic about their allies and jump at the chance to help them, which was likely the case for many elves living in Dalaran. Some, however, no matter how loyal they were to Dalaran, were still more loyal to their kingdom, like Rommath and Kael'thas, both of whom loved Dalaran and served dutifully there. Alleria and the Blood Elves prefer to stay close to Quel'thalas if they can help it, but when an immediate threat to their homeland presents itself, they spring to action if they have the means. Lor'themar didn't understand the threat that the Scourge in Northrend presented, and Quel'thalas was severely crippled by the civil war in Silvermoon and on Quel'danas only months prior, so he was hesitant to get Quel'thalas involved in yet another bloody conflict that would claim many lives.

Alleria was never an enthusiastic paragon of the Alliance. She was friends with Khadgar, Danath, Kurdran, likely other unnamed members of the Sons of Lothar (possibly coming to see them all as friends after their long isolation together) and later lover to Turalyon, but apart from that, the Alliance was just a tool to her. A convenient way to destroy a powerful enemy of Quel'thalas she had a huge grudge against.

She also licked demon/fel-cursed orc blood from her sword, which I think even a lot of blood elves would find excessive. Personally, I'd love it if she came back with fel-afflicted eyes from all the Legion worlds she must have been on in she and Turalyon's fight. Vereesa would see her and be like "Well...not Alleria, she had nothing to do with Garrosh's mana bomb..." and would then hopefully think a little deeper, and finally admit to herself that the same is true for virtually every blood elf she's ever hurt, and Blizzard would redeem her character in my eyes somewhat.

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Quite the opposite, they join the Horde at the very end of the Eversong/Ghostlands storyline.

Indeed. Around level 6 or 7, that's when the Alliance screws them over the second time by proving they were only deceiving them to spy, with no interest in patching up old ties as they claimed.

Tyrande warning the Alliance about the high/blood elves is kind of a laugh, though.

"Hey, you know those guys you've been allies with for 3,000 years, basically since the birth of your entire civilization, with no incidents, just them helping you clean up your own messes and paying the price when one of your guys loses it and shatters his own kingdom? Yeah, be careful around them. One of these days, they'll screw everything to hell. Trust me, I've never won a war on my own without waking up my husband to win it for me before in my life."

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On the Blood Elves joining the Horde? The Blood Elves were reclaiming their land and trying to survive and the first group to help them... it wasn't the Alliance, it wasn't their fellow High Elves that didn't suffer at all, but rather the Forsaken, because one cold hearted Sylvanas actually cared about her people. Alleria, if she's at all a leader and cares for her people and their safety, she'd return to Quel'Thalas.

Not only did the Alliance not help them, but they also actively worked against them, spying, being an unnecessary distraction while the Blood Elves were busy reclaiming their own kingdom, something few can claim to have done. Most other people who lose their stuff end up calling in a ton of allies, but in the blood elves' case, their allies all hung them out to dry.


Sylvanas, after all she went through, was still looking out for her kingdom that saw her as a monster very recently, storywise (Sunwell trilogy, where Lor'themar and his band of rangers want to put her out of her misery). She suffered more than any elf in defense of her homeland, and still never forsook them. She gave her life. Everything she had and more.

What did Vereesa go through? She served Quel'thalas for all of ONE mission, went AWOL, then immediately quit the Farstriders and Quel'thalas to be Rhonin's arm candy? Then, after she evidently left her prince and the most noble and heroic survivors of her shattered homeland to die in the Violet Hold, she suffered "pangs" of addiction she had every amenity and comfort afforded to her as wife of the ruler of a magical city full of humans to protect her to help her cope, and even her husband letting her have some of his mana to help her deal with the shakes, hiding behind a magic bubble shield completely safe for 7 years? Then the earliest we can tell, she hates all Blood Elves when Zendarin, unaffiliated with Quel'thalas, tried to kidnap her twins. AND she herself said that if it weren't for the "love" of her husband and twin boys, she probably would have given in and siphoned mana from living things (like she did to Rhonin, with his permission, and not enough to kill him like blood elves did to mana worms). Completely safe. She didn't need the magic to give her the strength to defend herself from a horde of Scourge. She just didn't feel 100% without it.

Boo-fucking-hoo.

[ravenmoon]

The Elves in Theramore have been traitors long before the Alliance-Horde war. And not even Jaina had the authority to expel the Blood Elves out of Dalaran, let alone the High Elves.

According to the blood elves, according to the high elves, the blood elves are the traitors. And truth be told it was the blood elves who departed from the high elf ideal. For all their change, the high elf way of life was better.

Theramore was an act against purely military target after the civilians have fled.

according to who? Garrosh who vowed to wipe out the alliance to the last person. What do you call it when you wipe out men, women and children, civilians, and non, innocents and not, all because they are the wrong race?

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I gave my opinion on the matter and it attracted the same bandwagon of same people that continously bangwagon everything. You are at the wrong address.

oh you've noticed that huh, it's the same bandwagon every time, pro blood elf. pro horde group. They are quick to oppose all things that dare favour or at least not dis the high elves.

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Your posts are pure flamebaiting.

lol i've noticed that too. reminds of the girl you say one thing, and she has to take it THAT way.. which is not what you meant ofc - all to either make you feel bad, or in the wrong or make her look better than you. Or the guy who just says things intentionally to get into an arguing match, must have the last word and must be right - if what you say is not 100% accurate according to him, you won't hear the last. he would never state what he agrees with you, always what is wrong - i.e. pointing finger. because to do so would somehow add to you credibility and he can't have that at all, no he must be superior, must be right and as you do not agree with him you must be exposed for every error or not 100% perfectly putting something.

Baited to argue in a way that will only win when all his points are right. It's a rabbit hole !!

[Mehrunes]

I have seen some of your posts and you seem to hate lack of clarity, so I now have to ask where you got "sabotage defenses" from? I will say it again, the spies were there to sabotage any efforts to create a magical font. They were investigating the malfunction that had already occurred and flooded the area with mana wraiths. As for the invasion, I misread a post from Kangodo, but he still said the alliance wanted the scourge to attack Quel'Thalas which is completely false.

Well, Kangodo already replied to the former. They were also messing around with ley lines in Ghostlands and outright attacking Blood Elves there. As for Scourge attacking Quel'thalas, @Kangodo later clarified that Scourge attacking Quel'thalas may not have been the outright goal, but it was very obvious consequence that the Alliance accepted.

Regardless, Arator was raised by the Alliance, he is loyal to the alliance, not the Horde. The reasons are irrelevant. Will Alleria Abandon her son to join the horde and the people that now live in her old home town? As I have stated elsewhere, the Blood elves are not the same elves she left, her people are the High elves, the ones that didn't turn to sucking the magic from living things. If you can explain to me how, after all this time she will come back and favour the blood elves over the high elves please do, but do not keep throwing Quel'Thalas in my face, she is loyal to the people she left behind, not the place, and those people are not the blood elves.

You have stated that and supported it with nonsense. People of Quel'thalas changed little. Especially since any larger deviations are already gone after reignitition of the Sunwell. And she is a nationalist, her homeland is important to her, so sorry, but I am going to keep throwing Quel'thalas in your face because you trying to handwave it away is dishonest garbage. And High Elves are traitors, why would an extreme loyalist favor traitors?

Again with Quel'Thalas, as stated above, Quel'Thalas is a very different place with very different ideals now, it is not the place she left behind. Take a look at why the High Elves split into 2 factions, look at what the Blood elves did to cause the split and ask yourself, is that something that a High elf who has been fighting for the light for all these years would believe in.

Blood Elves didn't cause the split, High Elves did. By rejecting the will of their sovereign, something a loyalist Alleria would not do. And in doing so, threatened the well being of Quel'thalas. Something loyalist Alleria would want to kill them for.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/High_elf

First paragraph confirms that blood elves no longer consider themselves High Elven. All you are doing is trying to justify what the Blood Elves did. They were addicts and they put their addition above the lives of the creatures they drained, it kinda goes against what the army of the light does. Regardless of what she would have done at the time, its about what she will do now. I'm not saying that she will hate the blood elves, but she is a High Elf, she is not a Blood Elf and she never will be.

First paragraph doesn't even mention Blood Elves. The second one does. And it only mentions how surviving High Elves renamed themselves to honor their fallen. The fallen didn't rename themselves being, you know, dead and as such were High Elves. If Blood Elves renamed themselves only to honor the fallen High Elves you still haven't substantiated Blood Elves no longer considering themselves High Elves with anything tangible.

And you asked for how Alleria would react to the part you bolded there. And the answer is she'd react like the stark majority of her people, loyal to the crown. Don't start squirming because you don't like the answer. And sure I am justifying what the Blood Elves did. Because the Blood Elves were right. What they were were people on the brink of extinction with near dependency on magic. With people going insane from withdrawal. Or, like your Quel'lithien High Elves you mentioned earlier, finally succumbing to withdrawal and overdosing due to unmanaged addiction, turning into Wretched. The people who followed Kael'thas' teachings and managed their addiction by sucking mana were much less likely to overdose and become Wretched. Making High Elves a nuisance that posed a security risk by heightened risk of turning into Wretched, as well as deliberately weakening themselves and risking insanity when the kingdom needed everyone to pull their weight.

Also, explain why Alliance is ridiculous, I just feel like you are a horde fanatic who finds it absurd that a High elf related to a horde leader could be alliance when the lore clearly states that she is. If Quel'Thalas had not changed so drastically and was still part of the horde, then yeah, I agree thats where she would be, but it has changed and her only living sister is part of the Alliance.

Considering that Alleria hasn't been around for the Blood Elf/High Elf schism, the lore states shit about her being a High Elf in the modern meaning.

But in that time, you as a people havent given in to addiction fueled cannibalism so you are effectively the same people. Hell, the Blood elves eyes are green because they really got into fel magic, again, everything Alleria has been fighting against and something that High Elves did not do.

Blood Elves didn't "really get into Fel magic". And as Aqua said, Alleria did expose herself to Fel on her own volition just fine. And cannibalism? Blood Elves didn't drain other Elves.

Another Example, America was colonized by multiple countries, one of which was England. They aren't English anymore though. They were, but they had different ideas, wanted different things, they are now different people.

Which took forever to forge as a nation. The Thalassian schism is less than two decades old.

Blood elves are indeed not her people because everything high elves represented is not represented within the blood elves. By this, I do not mean that they are not the same characters and individuals, but that their ways are nothing like they used to be. The only thing they share with their former selves is the geographical location.

And Alleria, being loyalist to the point of fanaticism, would have accepted the changed (most of which have been rolled back after the restoration of the Sunwell) as necessary to preserve her kingdom.

You forgot to bold sanctum, which was what was being sabotaged and again, nothing about defenses.

And sanctum was the defense...

There's a difference between killing to eat and killing coz you are addicted to something. The animals cant help that you need meat to survive, but if you are addicted to snorting ground up rhino horn or want some nice new ivory keys for your piano, its kind of frowned upon going hunting for elephants and rhinos. The blood elves had an addiction and instead of dealing with withdrawal or finding better solution they just decided to kill random things.

They dealt with withdrawal. It's the High Elves who didn't, grew more and more desperate and eventually cracked and overdosed on the next source of magic they found, turning into Wretched, like the ones at Quel'lithien. And this solution worked fine. It was taught by one of the most magically talented people on Azeroth after all. They didn't have Moonwells or access to Dalaran like some of the High Elves and they needed a solution that would give enough magic for an entire nation. That was it.

Ok, I will bite, show me a source that says that Alleria is a die-hard nationalist and would ignore the terrible things her people did. The High Elves are the exact same people she left, they hold the same principals. When she was last in Quel'Thalas for example, they did not have an abducted Naaru in sunwell plateau which they were siphoning, and eventually drained of all light, to make paladins. Coz thats what all races do, want paladins? Kidnap a Naaru, Have you seen the one in Thunderbluff? Stormwind? Oh that's right, they just commune with the light like normal, non-sociopathic people.

It's literally her biggest character trait. Read Tides of Darkness and Beyond the Dark Portal. And she'd ignore them because they were necessary to her kingdom's survival, which she'd accept as the greater good just like all the Blood Elves that didn't throw a hissy fit. The High Elves don't hold all the same principals because they defied their sovereign to the point they got themselves exiled.

Draining animals for magic is worse. Killing for food is survival, killing to feed an addiction is frowned upon in any society and usually called murder. If you kill Jim next door so you can sell his tv for heroin, the police don't go "Its ok, its just the same as eating a chicken".

Killing animals isn't murder. The rest of this post is really sad false equivalency.

Blood elves used fel magic to feed their addiction under Kael'Thas: http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/3225626126, http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...lves-eye-color. Two of many links where this is the general consensus, if you can find me another source that says its just coz they were 'near' fel magic I will concede.

Seriously, linking random threads as lore sources? Not just that, but one is over four years old, the other is over six years old. This is just sad. But here, Ask a CDev #3 (older than your first link) following on lore from Warcraft Encyclopedia (not only predating both of your sources, but predating TBC itself):

How did the blood elven fel eye glint become so widespread? The Warcraft Encyclopedia suggests that Rommath only taught the blood elves of Azeroth about how to siphon arcane magic, as most of the populace would likely be "horrified" if they knew the true extent of Kael's dealings with Illidan.
The situation regarding blood elf eyes is, in fact, extremely similar to that of the green skin of orcs: just being around heavy use of fel magic turned the eyes of the blood elves green. You could be the most pious of priests or most outdoorsy of Farstriders, chances are, if you were a high elf in Quel'Thalas or Outland following the Third War, you were around fel energies, and your eyes would turn green. Like the orcs' skin color, such an effect would take a very long time to wear off. Fel magic works a bit like radiation in this sense; it permeates the area and seeps into anything in the vicinity. Anything near a source of fel magic shows signs of slight corruption, it just so happens that high elves and orcs manifest it in a very visual way.

The way i have come to understand it, the night elves (not Tyrande) spoke against the blood elves in their power craze phase (not the high elves) joining the alliance - I presume after seeing them taking the path their Zin'Azshari highborne ancestors took - the night elves warned the alliance.

After the Second War, the high elves seceded from the Alliance, and their departure triggered further deterioration in the faltering Alliance. Later, during the Third War, the Alliance extended membership to the night elves, who saw it as their duty to warn their new allies against the high elves.

From Warcraft Encyclopedia. Already quoted by at least two other people so far.

Let's not forget whiles they showed amazing character to rebel against the queen in her own court and fight the demons, but they were part of the core group summoning the demons in the first place and were affected by the same mindset. while they turned to their credit, and lived up to Darth'remar's standards and dreams, the night elves meet the blood elves at a place where they have forsaken their caution and decided to gain power by any means necessary - at that time, and this was shown in very reckless beahviour, i would presume joining Illidan, sucking fel, counted towards that.

I know you like posting how reckless the Blood Elves have become, but nothing in W3 really substantiates that. And how dafuq would Night Elves know about Blood Elves in Outland sucking Fel if even Blood Elves on Azeroth didn't know about it?

I would think the night elves were in Shalandris isle to assess the situation and see what state the blood elves remaining in Azeroth were at, instead they got slaughtered, adopted an aggressive no tolerance policy against people they already knew - if you consider the dwarf that was beheaded (this is not like the night elves shooting on sight the horde/alliance in WC3 when they entered Ashenvale, - strange army they ddin't know given the sacred charge to protect the well of eternity - ) the blood elves knew.

Yeah, except for the part where the Night Elves and the Dwarf were sabotaging them. I know you love to whitewash the Night Elves while painting the Blood Elves as demons, but come on.

These are not the high elves she knew, they may be her people, but they're different, it's like Tyrande viewing the Nightborne that put up a shield, she disowns them them for it at first, but she laments them and helps them anyway after that initial statement, as you she instructs you to assist her taking out key targets, training and inspiring the shal'dorei to resist. however, the blood elves aren't serving the legion or being oppressed by them currently, and whiles they are not the same as they were in their evil hour in tft-tbc period, they are changed.

i think that while High elves remain as they were prior to the blood elf change, Alleria will identify more with them. in her WC2 state. that's not accounting the change she has undergone though.

The only major difference post the restoration of the Sunwell is that they have no king.

i always thought the blood elves adopted a twisted view when they switched factions, it stopped being about what was good or right and started becoming about what was in their own best interest, in my opinion they lost their high calling and their nobility when it started being just about them. Liadrin has made much progress, so there is hope hteyll be back there, but still a lot of indication in various NPCs and quests that the self-serving, power hungry blood elves are still rather numerous, at elast they're not going all reckless, and at least they have some very reputable individuals amongst them too.

And when exactly did your twisted, glorified vision of High Elves act based on what was good and right and not their interest? They joined the Alliance to protect their interests as well. They left when it was no longer warranted.

According to the blood elves, according to the high elves, the blood elves are the traitors. And truth be told it was the blood elves who departed from the high elf ideal. For all their change, the high elf way of life was better.

Yes, not following your prince is totes legit High Elf ideal. Especially for a loyalist like Alleria. And according to the High Elves Blood Elves are traitors? Riveting tale. It's still them who were exiled for being traitorous shits and it's the Blood Elves that are actually continuing the statehood of Quel'thalas making it rather impossible for them to be the traitors.

according to who? Garrosh who vowed to wipe out the alliance to the last person. What do you call it when you wipe out men, women and children, civilians, and non, innocents and not, all because they are the wrong race?

According to the actual events? I know they trigger you because you prefer to live in your idiotic headcasecanon bubble, but the civilians of Theramore fled. Now try to think and ponder on whatever could have been left there once the civilians left. Garrosh's view on Alliance civilians doesn't change facts.

oh you've noticed that huh, it's the same bandwagon every time, pro blood elf. pro horde group. They are quick to oppose all things that dare favour or at least not dis the high elves.

Yes, HORDE BIAS CIRCLEJERK is going to get you. Watch out, your boogeyman is hiding in your closet right now. Or, stepping out from the realm of delusional ramblings of triggered, whiny Alliance crybabies, it would be because it's the Alliance players that constantly vomit out fanfiction and feel the need to bend the shit out of lore. I mean, given how Aqua is one of the most neutral and knowledgeable people here, constantly supporting his statements with actual quotes, yet more often than not is arguing against you and your kind should be quite telling. But it's better to insulate oneself in persecution complex. Fanfiction shall prevail!!1!

lol i've noticed that too. reminds of the girl you say one thing, and she has to take it THAT way.. which is not what you meant ofc - all to either make you feel bad, or in the wrong or make her look better than you. Or the guy who just says things intentionally to get into an arguing match, must have the last word and must be right - if what you say is not 100% accurate according to him, you won't hear the last. he would never state what he agrees with you, always what is wrong - i.e. pointing finger. because to do so would somehow add to you credibility and he can't have that at all, no he must be superior, must be right and as you do not agree with him you must be exposed for every error or not 100% perfectly putting something.

Baited to argue in a way that will only win when all his points are right. It's a rabbit hole !!

So you didn't actually mean what you were saying when you were polluting this forum with fanfiction and portraying it as truth? Oh, good, you admitted to trolling then. Glad we got that covered. And just gotta lol about you trying to use people not posting to constantly agree with each other as a legitimate argument. I thought you were against CIRCLEJERKS? I mean, I know you and you Mace like to constantly validate each other, but other people don't have such needs. Which is why they argue the things they find contestable, because that's how arguments usually work in the real world. Though to claim that I never state when I agree with someone is yet another pathological lie from a pathological liar and bullshit artist. And oh noes, people expose your errors and your outright deliberate lorebend asspulls. If you want to avoid that the only way is to not post. Otherwise, Internet isn't safe space for you and your fanfiction.

[Combatbutler]

i always thought the blood elves adopted a twisted view when they switched factions, it stopped being about what was good or right and started becoming about what was in their own best interest, in my opinion they lost their high calling and their nobility when it started being just about them. Liadrin has made much progress, so there is hope hteyll be back there, but still a lot of indication in various NPCs and quests that the self-serving, power hungry blood elves are still rather numerous, at elast they're not going all reckless, and at least they have some very reputable individuals amongst them too.

There never was a high calling and they still are nobillity, it was just that their lineage and name. Whom their ancestor gave themselves, because they didn't want to be associated with the common rabble. The high elves cared aboput themselves first and formost the moment Quel'thalas was created, heck one could argue ever since the blood elves joined the horde they have cooperated more with other races than ever before.

[LaserChild9]

The son is also neutral now.

Still has an Alliance banner over his head on wowpedia (Like his mother coincidentally). Where is it stated he is neutral, if you are using class halls as a thing, my NE hunter has Rexxar following her around. The class halls are a game mechanic, they aren't cannon with the lore. I'm sure there are dev reasons that each faction does not have different NPC's, maybe time contraints or not a large enough pool of available NPC's for each faction,who knows?

Well, Kangodo already replied to the former. They were also messing around with ley lines in Ghostlands and outright attacking Blood Elves there. As for Scourge attacking Quel'thalas, @Kangodo later clarified that Scourge attacking Quel'thalas may not have been the outright goal, but it was very obvious consequence that the Alliance accepted.

You are quite obviously a fanatical horde loyalist, so nothing anybody can say is gonna change your opinion, I'm sure that if Chris Metzen himself were to pipe up and go against your feelings you would argue with him too. Alleria will be Neutral, there is no reason for her to distance herself from her family as long as her and Turalyon are neutral, if that hurts your sense of horde pride, then you need to just deal with it.

[Thelxi]

Sylvanus warchief, Alleria joining the horde... horde better prepare for their elven overlords. Orcs lol.

[ravenmoon]

From Warcraft Encyclopedia. Already quoted by at least two other people so far.

Fine, you caught the technicality but not the essences of what I was saying. Let me assist you by expanding there a bit. yes, it does say high elf, I understand how I've used it is a bit confusing, but I assumed you would get the context. I'm merey expanding on that information now and putting it in terms of the political alignment. The statement is a summary and it can be read as the highborne - it is refererring to the past of what the highborne of zin'azshari did ...The context was given in reference to the high elves becoming blood elves based on the ancestry of the high elves. The statement is really about the blood elves.

I know you like posting how reckless the Blood Elves have become, but nothing in W3 really substantiates that. And how dafuq would Night Elves know about Blood Elves in Outland sucking Fel if even Blood Elves on Azeroth didn't know about it?

that right there, you don't have to jibe like that Mehrunes. I never considered myself as "liking to post how reckless the blood elves are" - why say something like that? what value does it have? Why even state it? No i don't like posting how reckless the blood elves have become... i always take the extra words to type and point out during that TFT to TBC era, which is how they were portrayed ... and it is mentioned in context although sometimes it's a digression - probably if i notice people are pooping on the high elves decision to not be counted amongst the blood elves like it was the worse thing, conveniently forgetting they were reckless and dangerous during that period. Or do you not remember that there wasn't any friendly blood elf npc in classic - and we considered the majority of them in Outland - before the TBC soft retcon.

Yeah, except for the part where the Night Elves and the Dwarf were sabotaging them. I know you love to whitewash the Night Elves while painting the Blood Elves as demons, but come on.

no I don't like to paint the blood elves as demons, but they were bad, let's call evil evil you know, they had that bad phase and were nearly lost. Still -- for any reading, you did not find the blood elf reaction over the top? And don't forget you never get tot hear the night elf point of view either - they are watching these guys who have been behaving dangerously. They spot night elves around the vicinity and yell darnassian sabotage - that's how they interpret it. Let's assume that is actually the case.. what are the night elves trying to achieve there? more magic disaster? that's out of character! Prove the blood elves untrustworthy by giving them a little push? Also out of character.

Wouldn't you capture a spy instead and question or expose his actions publicly? No, they're written that way, because of the direction they're going. A high elf would have done that, not the new blood elf mentality. We see the magister who's enjoying the dwarf's company more in the high elf ilk - that behaviour is framed as foolish and dangerous - where it neceessarily is not - it shows you the mentatlity of the blood elf. Nonsense, take no chances, ruthless, cunning - attributes more in line with the horde. The blood elves are not painted as nice guys or considerate guys in this affair. Whether you justify it or not - you'd probably reply telling me how reasonable it was to do that - i'm not denying that, to some it seems a reasonable course of action - to me it does not.. To me it's ruthless, aggressive, shrewd too. I wouldn't respond like that.

The only major difference post the restoration of the Sunwell is that they have no king.

you mentioned that before I noticed, I chose not to comment, but i disagree - the blood elf is not the same as the high elf. Yes we have been observing they are becoming a lot more high elf like - and there have been discussions on this, people lamenting the uniqueness of the blood elves lost to the boring high elf. Face it there is a group of 20s/30s that consider the tolkein high elf brand BORING. I remmeber this from a few years ago - they loathe tolkein elves - "not exciting enough for them" and compare the former high elven ideals as exactly that .. feeling we all share their twisted sentiment. No we don't. THe warcraft high elves arent' tolkein elves anyway, if you want to see how to write good characters being incredible and fitting the description of immortal, wisest and fairest of all, read Tolkein. But it is my opinion that the annoyance or grudge splilled over into the warcraft high elf/blood elf scene and the haters pouring their scorn on the high elves.. so much so that they've twisted their view on them badly. I'm neutral in this, they aren't they are biased against the high elves.

I find myself often having to respond to show them the otherside, not because i hate blood elves or think they're all evil but because these guys have missed the point, and are not giving a fair treatment at all - like they fail to grasp the otherside. Which is fine for partisan in-game roleplaying .. but it seems they actually genuinely believe that - and I'm like.. you can't be serious.. have you said the RP stance so much you now actually believe to be true without seeing the otherside?

Anyway, no, the only difference between blood elves now and who they were is not just the King. There are many differences - physically the zone might be restored. but it's people are still fractured, and they believe in different things. You have undead elves you never had before, a whole group of them, you have blood elves and high elves who behave differently and have a different philosophical approach to things. WE still see the blood elves been written as cunning, power seeking and willing to dabble or go to some extremes or lengths, especially where the demonic is concerned that a high elf will not go. Not all blood elves are like this, but enough are and it isn't frowned upon.

And when exactly did your twisted, glorified vision of High Elves act based on what was good and right and not their interest? They joined the Alliance to protect their interests as well. They left when it was no longer warranted.

it's not my view of the high elves that is twisted. I'm not the one that hates them or loves my view so much I can't see others'.


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Yes, not following your prince is totes legit High Elf ideal. Especially for a loyalist like Alleria. And according to the High Elves Blood Elves are traitors? Riveting tale. It's still them who were exiled for being traitorous shits and it's the Blood Elves that are actually continuing the statehood of Quel'thalas making it rather impossible for them to be the traitors. [/quote[ totes! stop snapshot quoting out of context - to anyone reading, go back and read everything i said - the entire message frames the context of that statement - you often behave like those bible preachers that take bible versus out of context to make bad points. Also I'm merely pointing out here what the other side feels, and reminding readers that it is written to have both sides have compelling reasons to be at odds with each other. Just because one person takes the side of the blood elves and harps on it like this fellow and his gang are, doesn't mean that's all there is. Yes the high elves view the blood elves as traitors for betraying everything they stood for when they went through their reckless evuls phase. And yes that's how they viewed the whole affair with the prince and outland and silvermoon. Sure a lot of blood elves when they came to find out the truth rejected the prince, let's not forget the role Voren'thal and A'dal played in that. Rommath who was the Kael enforcer, mind controlling blood elves speaking out against at first - he changes in time

The detail of the story shows you not all blood elves went that far, but the high elf reaction is to the general blood elf state. And what blood elf to the alliance and to the world generally meant. Not all individuals are like that, same like not all high elves are high minded or noble - but that's the view.

According to the actual events? I know they trigger you because you prefer to live in your idiotic headcasecanon bubble, but the civilians of Theramore fled. Now try to think and ponder on whatever could have been left there once the civilians left. Garrosh's view on Alliance civilians doesn't change facts.

No they don't trigger me, and if my headcanon bubble is my view and opinion of the situation have you looked at yours yet? I think you underestimate the value perspective plays on interpreting events - resorting to jibes when a persons view point is not agreeing with yours (e.g. labelling "headcanon"). Furthermore in previous discussion you seemed to fail to notice or properly distinguish when speculation was given or opinion was presented even when it was pointed out to you, which either makes you stupid, or obstinate or both on the one hand grasping one part, but failing the other and thus not seeing the whole part which is a lack of wisdom. Don't overestimate yourself or be wise in your own eyes. The ability to speak or type does not make you necessarily wise or intelligent in some's estimation.

Yes, HORDE BIAS CIRCLEJERK is going to get you. Watch out, your boogeyman is hiding in your closet right now. Or, stepping out from the realm of delusional ramblings of triggered, whiny Alliance crybabies, it would be because it's the Alliance players that constantly vomit out fanfiction and feel the need to bend the shit out of lore. I mean, given how Aqua is one of the most neutral and knowledgeable people here, constantly supporting his statements with actual quotes, yet more often than not is arguing against you and your kind should be quite telling. But it's better to insulate oneself in persecution complex. Fanfiction shall prevail!!1!

and you seem to quickly revert to name calling as well, you know i never have once reported you, but it sees a guy who actually came down to your level in an outburst of frustration similar to yours was, and got infracted for it. The horde generally doesn't have the moral high ground, you do know that, but look at the story given, don't just go all one side. The problem with you is that if someone doesn't agree with your biased view, they are an alliance whiny crybaby? So i guess they need your smart intellect and genius wit to explain things to them and show us how wrong and misguided they are. Setting us straight to see how glaringly obvouis and correct your assessment of the situation is that is nothing but factual - so off course, any disagreement is either head canon, fanfiction or delusion. How would they possibly survive with your amazingly astute observations that are purely factual. /end sarcasm

If you weren't so angry at this, you might actually begin to understand how much you see is actually interpretation and not fact - and is often based on a persons world view. Might allow you to look beyond your scope, birdseye view and see the wider picture - and also likely make you question why you view certain things the way you do. I've taken that journey, perhaps I'm older than you, perhaps I am more mature, all hostility aside...seriously dude get your head out of your own arse and really take a look around.

So you didn't actually mean what you were saying when you were polluting this forum with fanfiction and portraying it as truth? Oh, good, you admitted to trolling then. Glad we got that covered. And just gotta lol about you trying to use people not posting to constantly agree with each other as a legitimate argument. I thought you were against CIRCLEJERKS? I mean, I know you and you Mace like to constantly validate each other, but other people don't have such needs. Which is why they argue the things they find contestable, because that's how arguments usually work in the real world. Though to claim that I never state when I agree with someone is yet another pathological lie from a pathological liar and bullshit artist. And oh noes, people expose your errors and your outright deliberate lorebend asspulls. If you want to avoid that the only way is to not post. Otherwise, Internet isn't safe space for you and your fanfiction.

That's the thing you are missing, and you are still judging me by a false premise. Concerning the discussions a few years ago, you misinterpreted my opinion and elaboration as relating information as fact. It was very apparent in the language and context I used that I was giving opinion and speculating a scenario or potential scenario further.

It should not have come across to you as passing on as fact..that was your interpretation, and I mentioned it several times and pointed out what i was mentioning was a possibility. But instead of taking me at my word, you got into rage about the forum being only about discussing actual canon, the way you said it, as if expanding on a thought or a way of looking at things was not permitted.

I gave alternative scenarios within the confines of the lore based on how viewed things then, a rather rosy image of the night elves .. which i pointed out was based on how they were presented in WC3, and that underpinned my interpretation of them. I also once I came to terms that blizzard really had a different point of view or at least had changed them from that, I was quite open about it.

In all those discussions, not once was I passing off a theory as fact, and if i was wrong about something and was called out on it, I would admit I was wrong. Answer this.. why did you not pause to actually take me at my word? Are you not use to people meaning what they say and saying what they mean? Why did it go over your head despite stating it plainly "this is a theory, a potential scenario" ... it's like you made a conclusion about something and refused to admit that your initial evaluation was wrong. Those are all the hallmarks of a person that judges another ... a person that also trusts his own interpretation far too much - because it seems you never reassessed your initial evaluation. I know someone that behaves like that, my own sister! I've seen it in others too, it's a very close minded way of viewing things and people.

You make up your mind about a person way too fast, and you don't see anything else outside the parameters in which you judged them. Every other thing they say is interpreted as a falsehood or incompetence. You don't see past yourself.

I see you and Zulkhan constantly validating and agreeing with each other. It's fine to have friends and people in your corner, but you really come across are valuing yourself and your opinions a bit too highly to a very contentious point. You know what they say huh.. "A fool is set in his ways" Don't be one. I know I try not to.

[Combatbutler]

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I see you and Zulkhan constantly validating and agreeing with each other. It's fine to have friends and people in your corner, but you really come across are valuing yourself and your opinions a bit too highly to a very contentious point. You know what they say huh.. "A fool is set in his ways" Don't be one. I know I try not to.

Have you seen this two talking vol'jin?

[ravenmoon]

There never was a high calling and they still are nobillity, it was just that their lineage and name. Whom their ancestor gave themselves, because they didn't want to be associated with the common rabble. The high elves cared aboput themselves first and formost the moment Quel'thalas was created, heck one could argue ever since the blood elves joined the horde they have cooperated more with other races than ever before.

I agree, with what you have said, although it's not what I was trying to say in that paragraph.

Blizzard did paint their high elves as people of noble character, behaviour and ideals - holding to a very high standard both of truth and against evil. This is how I viewed them - the blood elves fell from that level.

I think sometimes we may over read into blizzard's story. I think if they mean high they generally mean high as in noble, they use terms and words we are all familiar with I assume to point us to what they mean without necessarily going into explain or define it. By this i mean generally speaking, humans, dwarves, orcs and high elves all started as your stereotypical group, it's a common point of reference, you'd know what each generally represeents or stands for from Tolkein, DnD etc without neceessarily knowing the full wow story.

THis is their origin point and why we don't need complete introductions for them - same with zombies, vampires, werewolves etc, they then start telling the actual story, and we see progression.. dwarves switch from your typical miner underground gem lover to academic, archaeologist researcher.. orcs go from evil, savage, brutes - to a people with a high code of honour a cunning and martial prowress. High elves go from noble, wise and fair - to morally dubious, questioning, complex etc.

We have yet to see the highborne actually portrayed in pre-sundering times in the noble and high calling they presumably have their caste named after yet. that story hasn't been told - we've been told the part where the nobles went all arrogant and twisted like the French nobility pre la revolution, but I can assume that it wasn't always like that, there was a time they were actually noble. Which is why the word is used in the first place. That side has to be told otherwise people, especially younger ones who haven't been educated or know what nobility or virtue and high in a good sense mean would think all those terms the opposite of what they are.

You see a hint of the nobility of the highborne in a good way in the tale of Valewalker Farodin and his highborne mage counterparts of their order. Another hint in the history of Menaar. Elisande in her rebellion against Azshara, Farondis' behaviour, but the one who exemplifies nobility the most amongst the highborne in blizzard's tale is Lord Ravencrest. Now if he was what the highborne were like before the arcane imbalance - then you get a good sense on why or how they were noble.

i'm fully aware that it is possible that there is nothing more to it than Azshara just being flippant and not valuing good qualities only talent.. but that makes no sense to me. There would have been a time that she was incredibly noble, full of grace, wisdom and virtue and all those closest to her held those ideals too before getting twisted by her overuse of the arcane. The night elves are painted as very benevolent, peaceful, wise, curious and intelligent, to the extent they attract a demi-god, learn discern incredible secrets, and use them wisely, shaping their world into a paradise before going overboard.

Suffice it to say, blizzard I think take it for granted that we know what those words mean, and that when they say Elf, dwarf, orc or human, we have a certain thing in mind, they then go from there and paint their picture on what these become.

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Have you seen this two talking vol'jin?

no, i'm only privvy to the elf conversations they have they are often in agreement on - one who plays an undead warlock the other a troll - they generally are't flattering concerning elves anyway, but in the argument of the elven groups they will take the blood elves over the night elves or high elves. Very partisan - I don't follow him, and I know he doens't follow me - for he never fails to have a go at me when he sees me or in an elf topic he knows I will eventually get to as I think I respond to every single one that is made.

[Lycanhero]

no I don't like to paint the blood elves as demons, but they were bad, let's call evil evil you know, they had that bad phase and were nearly lost. Still -- for any reading, you did not find the blood elf reaction over the top? And don't forget you never get tot hear the night elf point of view either - they are watching these guys who have been behaving dangerously. They spot night elves around the vicinity and yell darnassian sabotage - that's how they interpret it. Let's assume that is actually the case.. what are the night elves trying to achieve there? more magic disaster? that's out of character! Prove the blood elves untrustworthy by giving them a little push? Also out of character.

Wouldn't you capture a spy instead and question or expose his actions publicly? No, they're written that way, because of the direction they're going. A high elf would have done that, not the new blood elf mentality. We see the magister who's enjoying the dwarf's company more in the high elf ilk - that behaviour is framed as foolish and dangerous - where it neceessarily is not - it shows you the mentatlity of the blood elf. Nonsense, take no chances, ruthless, cunning - attributes more in line with the horde. The blood elves are not painted as nice guys or considerate guys in this affair. Whether you justify it or not - you'd probably reply telling me how reasonable it was to do that - i'm not denying that, to some it seems a reasonable course of action - to me it does not.. To me it's ruthless, aggressive, shrewd too. I wouldn't respond like that.

I have been reading your responces for a while now but the Night elves where clearly sabotaging them.
The Manawaraiths in west sanctum spawnt due to the destruction of a power converter which was destroyed by the Night elves, If you actualy did the starting zone quests and read them you would known this.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Sentinel_Spies
http://wow.gamepedia.com/West_Sanctum
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:Incriminating_Documents

I mean if you link everything together it is clear as day.

But tbh every race has some flaws in each starting zones you have the other races doing questionable things.