Sooo.. Balance Druid in 7.1.5?

[Celadir]

Totally wouldn't mind seeing FoE changed and become baseline.

Something in the lines of the same damage, 10 sec duration and it generating AP/sec instead of consuming it.

Change FoE to talent Starsurge a chance to explode on impact for AoE damage imo

[huth]

So if a person sucks you don't tell them?
That is more harmful to the player than letting them know they suck. Of cause saying it in the right way is important other than say you suck then leave.

Oh, sure, if you tell them why they're bad, it's still justified criticism. Just telling them they're bad with no explanation is a waste of breath, however.

[Myztikrice]

Change FoE to talent Starsurge a chance to explode on impact for AoE damage imo

How would that solve anything? If you want AoE you would AoE, not hope your ST spell proced a cleave

[Fiftyonred]

We are ok for mythic+. not fucking awesome, or the ranks would have far more balance druid.
We are not entirely useless, we can clear a 15, but the difference in throughput can still be adjusted to bring us up.

Mythic 15 also doesnt compare to mythic raids if we're being honest, but they sure offer at least something challenging that previous expansions didnt, which is great

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I dont mean to point this out as a point of argument, but saying beam is as good as a stun, or a reason for lower damage isnt valid in most situations

Your post in general seems reasonable enough, but understating the difficult of completing a 15+ in time serves no purposes, other than to take all the seriousness out of the discussion. +15 is hard as fuck for the majority of players, let's start with agreeing on that.

My guild is on a steady mythic progression, and not a single person has cleared a +15 in time yet.

[Tyze]

Almost all specs got buffed. And the once that got nerfs has backup specs.
Balance will be low on the dps if they dont get any buffs I think, already middle of the pack. And the specs below got buffed

[Saphyron]

Oh, sure, if you tell them why they're bad, it's still justified criticism. Just telling them they're bad with no explanation is a waste of breath, however.

I agree .10chars

[Canbie]

At least it plays OK. Still nothing for Demo Locks...

[Celadir]

How would that solve anything? If you want AoE you would AoE, not hope your ST spell proced a cleave

Honestly, it probably wouldn't solve anything, but it would be a neat concept. Either way, balance needs love and attention.

[MV Kaa]

Almost all specs got buffed. And the once that got nerfs has backup specs.
Balance will be low on the dps if they dont get any buffs I think, already middle of the pack. And the specs below got buffed

They said boomkins WILL get changes, but class tuning doesnt happen till the end

[huth]

Almost all specs got buffed. And the once that got nerfs has backup specs.
Balance will be low on the dps if they dont get any buffs I think, already middle of the pack. And the specs below got buffed

Nobody got buffed or nerfed yet. So far we've only seen mechanics changes.

[Hellshout]

Nobody got buffed or nerfed yet. So far we've only seen mechanics changes.

Melees lost 5% crit. That's a nerf.

[Tyze]

Nobody got buffed or nerfed yet. So far we've only seen mechanics changes.

In 7.1.5? Elemental got buffed, assas rogues, arcane and frost mage and more

[huth]

In 7.1.5? Elemental got buffed, assas rogues, arcane and frost mage and more

No, they got mechanics changes. Any actual tuning is yet to happen. Power differences due to mechanics changes are incidental, not on purpose.

[Myztikrice]

Intentionally or unintentionally buffed is still buffed...

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Like the definition of buffed isn't literally only 'spell x does more damage'

[lappee]

Intentionally or unintentionally buffed is still buffed...

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Like the definition of buffed isn't literally only 'spell x does more damage'

By definition, no1 is buffed before the changes go to the live game.

[mikoslav]

my 5 cents to fix the boomkin DPS problem.
when you cast 2 Starsurges in a row - the second SS cast works like Lunar Strike.
(all targets close to primary target take [tweak whatever]% of primary target dmg).

[MV Kaa]

my 5 cents to fix the boomkin DPS problem.
when you cast 2 Starsurges in a row - the second SS cast works like Lunar Strike.
(all targets close to primary target take [tweak whatever]% of primary target dmg).

Too many people would cry "wah so helm is even more OP wah!"

[Skyepic]

my 5 cents to fix the boomkin DPS problem.
when you cast 2 Starsurges in a row - the second SS cast works like Lunar Strike.
(all targets close to primary target take [tweak whatever]% of primary target dmg).

1. That does not help our ST
2. There is no way to balance that with deciding between Starsurge and Starfall. If it's a "small" cleave like Lunar Strike is, there is no way the damage would justify the 80 AsP cost vs the 60 AsP to use starfall. If it's a larger damage cleave it will just become astronomically better than starfall if it's allowed to hit all targets, So what happens to starfall? We just take it off our bar?
3. This would render ED practically useless outside of pure patchwerk fights, and it's currently one of our only ways to stay competitive.

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Too many people would cry "wah so helm is even more OP wah!"

He said cast 2 starsurges in a row. The helm would be worthless. Build to 100, spend 70 to get 1 cleaved starsurge. get, roughly 10-15 back with a SW or LS and you're left with 40 AsP for 2 more starsurges before you're at 0 and have to spend 10(ish) seconds building back to 100. And that is WITH the helm. You wouldn't even be able to get a second set of starsurges off without it.

Best case scenario you get 2 starsurges to cleave with 100 astral power.

That sounds awful....

[MV Kaa]

1. That does not help our ST
2. There is no way to balance that with deciding between Starsurge and Starfall. If it's a "small" cleave like Lunar Strike is, there is no way the damage would justify the 80 AsP cost vs the 60 AsP to use starfall. If it's a larger damage cleave it will just become astronomically better than starfall if it's allowed to hit all targets, So what happens to starfall? We just take it off our bar?
3. This would render ED practically useless outside of pure patchwerk fights, and it's currently one of our only ways to stay competitive.

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He said cast 2 starsurges in a row. The helm would be worthless. Build to 100, spend 70 to get 1 cleaved starsurge. get, roughly 10-15 back with a SW or LS and you're left with 40 AsP for 2 more starsurges before you're at 0 and have to spend 10(ish) seconds building back to 100. And that is WITH the helm. You wouldn't even be able to get a second set of starsurges off without it.

Best case scenario you get 2 starsurges to cleave with 100 astral power.

That sounds awful....

Umm with the helm you are able to cast 2 SS back to back with incarnation up. How does that make it worthless? It is only WITH the helm that you woul dbe able to cast back to back

[Deleted]

balance is fine. just needs a little damage increase to some spells. apart from that mechanically is it the best its ever been