Britain has passed the 'most extreme surveillance law'

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so many people taking it way out of proportion just like the brexit thread

[Annoying]

Your ISP has complete records of every single piece of data that came and went from your connection. This bill gives government organizations full access to those records. It is literally everything. It would be pretty useless if it only gave them 'top-level' website records.

It also gives them the right to read your emails, and even hack into your computer.




So you'd be perfectly fine with a team of cops, tax investigators, secret service etc all standing outside your windows, staring into your home 24/7 recording every single thing you do, reading all your mail and tapping your phone, 'just in case' you do something illegal?

Why should it be any different for your internet?

That would be unbelievably impossible. If I download WoW, there's no way they have a spare 16GB just ready to keep as a "record" of my traffic. The average user in the UK uses 20GB/mo. Using that, they'd fill up 20TB/day with only 30,000 users. There's ~22m households with internet in the UK, that's 440000TB/mo that would need to be stored, or ~15000TB per day.

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Well, so far it has been a great experience. And for sure I do not fear death as it is something we all will face one day. I am prepared. But I do not think spying on my internet activity is a threat to my happiness in this world. lol! The main reason is, I do not do things on the internet which is illegal.

i don't know how people can still be so naive after all the leaks last couple of years.

Honestly the first thing i'd expect from this law is (near) real time location tracking of most citizens (basically everybody with a smartphone).

like ask yourself: why wouldn't they do that?

[Caolela]

like they have the storage for 65 million peoples google searches lol, stop believing mainstream media that they monitor everything, and webcam hacking people was doing that many years ago.havnt you read what the current status of the bill is,they cant look at your entire web history cos there isnt enough storage or money to do that, and at the end a human analyst still has to sift through all that shit you really think there gonna do that, its top level domains only just think of how many links 65 million brits visit each day. ive visted over 100 different links on different sites today maybe more and im just 1 person so times that by 65 million

The U.S. has several enormous gov't data storage sites around the country such as in Utah, and building new, even larger ones now in TX and near Ft. Meade, MD. There are others as well. Millions of square feet of data storage.

A human analyst does not have to sift through every item of info. It's automated and searches for key words, phrases, meta data, images, and so on.

Britain certainly has the capability to do the same if they haven't already, and can probably use any excess space that their allies may have.

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That would be unbelievably impossible. If I download WoW, there's no way they have a spare 16GB just ready to keep as a "record" of my traffic. The average user in the UK uses 20GB/mo. Using that, they'd fill up 20TB/day with only 30,000 users. There's ~22m households with internet in the UK, that's 440000TB/mo that would need to be stored, or ~15000TB per day.

most likely they'll just store metadata for most users. but you can bet your ass they can go deeper if they see reason too, and from the looks of it without a judge involved.

[Caolela]

That would be unbelievably impossible. If I download WoW, there's no way they have a spare 16GB just ready to keep as a "record" of my traffic. The average user in the UK uses 20GB/mo. Using that, they'd fill up 20TB/day with only 30,000 users. There's ~22m households with internet in the UK, that's 440000TB/mo that would need to be stored, or ~15000TB per day.

That's a nice sentiment, but Blizzard (feeding back to the NSA and GCHQ) has already been tracking you through WoW for years:

https://www.rt.com/news/nsa-uk-spy-world-warcraft-942/

http://www.computerworld.com/article...ist-clues.html

http://gawker.com/nsa-and-cia-spied-...-vi-1479458437

[klogaroth]

That's a nice sentiment, but Blizzard (feeding back to the NSA and GCHQ) has already been tracking you through WoW for years

I love this sort of stuff. Someone. Somewhere. Has had to make something that filters useful stuff out of all the data they'll get from trade chat spam.

You might as well send them a recording of static noise.

It all adds up to the "too much data" that they're collecting now. It's so wide a net that they're casting to catch a few people and they're just getting masses of junk data, even post automated filter.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/341905-ns...aks-terrorism/

[Caolela]

I love this sort of stuff. Someone. Somewhere. Has had to make something that filters useful stuff out of all the data they'll get from trade chat spam.

You might as well send them a recording of static noise.

You should do a bit more research into programs such as Thinthread, which was glommed and bastardized for illegal spying purposes from people like William Binney (former high level NSA official) who helped create it. And that's just the tip of the iceberg compared to the real-world capabilities of these spy agencies.

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ok lets say they use this data against everyone who breaks the law, ok then your gonna have to arrest hundreds of thousands of people who download music,movies,game of thrones etc,video games,illegal software downloads = warez, thats ontop of the serious criminals there actually trying to catch = terrorists and pedophiles, some of you seem to have reinforced tin foil hats on with this issue

[Eleccybubb]

ok lets say they use this data against everyone who breaks the law, ok then your gonna have to arrest hundreds of thousands of people who download music,movies,game of thrones etc,video games,illegal software downloads = warez, thats ontop of the serious criminals there actually trying to catch = terrorists and pedophiles, some of you seem to have reinforced tin foil hats on with this issue

Dude you have no right to call anyone out on wearing "reinforced tinfoil hats" whatsoever when you are the person who claimed Windows 10 was spying on you personally all the time.

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Dude you have no right to call anyone out on wearing "reinforced tinfoil hats" whatsoever when you are the person who claimed Windows 10 was spying on you.

and windows 10 was spying on people and still does, yeah i suffer with paranoia but the goverment isnt going to look at all your web data, like i said earlier its top level domains like google.com, as reported in rtnews and other reliable sources, one of the drafts of the bil lwas to see all the web history for a year no matter what people visited, yet people campaigned against that even people in the torie party so they changed it, may has been wanting this bill for 4 years

[Caolela]

ok lets say they use this data against everyone who breaks the law, ok then your gonna have to arrest hundreds of thousands of people who download music,movies,game of thrones etc,video games,illegal software downloads = warez, thats ontop of the serious criminals there actually trying to catch = terrorists and pedophiles, some of you seem to have reinforced tin foil hats on with this issue

Except it doesn't require a tin foil hat. It's real and it's documented. Some of you need to step out of your dream world thinking that gov'ts and corporations have your best interests in mind. They don't.

They don't have to actually use the data against you. Just knowing that everything you do or say is being watched, tracked, recorded, and analyzed is enough to stifle dissent and curtail creativity, etc. Only the excuse they use is different now..."turrurrism!" and "illegal activities!" instead of "enemies or crimes against the State". It's the same tactic that authoritarian police states since the Nazi Gestapo, Stasi of East Germany, and the Soviet KGB have used for decades - except modernized for the digital age.

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A lot of paranoid members here,

[Noradin]

like they have the storage for 65 million peoples google searches lol, stop believing mainstream media that they monitor everything, and webcam hacking people was doing that many years ago.havnt you read what the current status of the bill is,they cant look at your entire web history cos there isnt enough storage or money to do that, and at the end a human analyst still has to sift through all that shit you really think there gonna do that, its top level domains only just think of how many links 65 million brits visit each day. ive visted over 100 different links on different sites today maybe more and im just 1 person so times that by 65 million

Why do you assume they store only what the brits do?

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and any criminal with a braincell will just use a VPN or TOR to bypass this stupid law, only way to make this law work is to also ban proxy servers in the UK aswell

Which is why this law is mostly useful against random citizens and for blackmail and privates spying by employees of those agencies with access.
Do you assume the people who thought of this are unaware of this fact, though?

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ok lets say they use this data against everyone who breaks the law, ok then your gonna have to arrest hundreds of thousands of people who download music,movies,game of thrones etc,video games,illegal software downloads = warez, thats ontop of the serious criminals there actually trying to catch = terrorists and pedophiles, some of you seem to have reinforced tin foil hats on with this issue

Why would you have to do that? You could just keep the data around as a convenient incentive when someone might become important.

[Deleted]

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean you aren't being watched, especially in this day and age.

I'm more talking about the paranoia about bad things happening due to being watched. The arguments seem to be 'wat if the government makes your hobby illegal', why should i worry about a improbable what if scenario

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most of these people think that there gonna be arrested for anything they do online, THEY CAN ONLY SEE YOUR TOP URLS how many times do i have to say this its been reported on numerous reliable news sites, people who say they will take every piece of your web data from your ISP havnt done there research cos that was the 2nd draft of the bill and alot of mp's opposed it so it was re-written and now they can only see your top urls

[Deleted]

like i said people are blowing this way over the top this is what internet media does to the masses makes everyone thinks there gonna spy and steal all of your browsing data,

[Ghostpanther]

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean you aren't being watched, especially in this day and age.

The solution is simple. Do not do illegal or dumb activities on the web. Dumb things such as if you are in a job position which porn watching on the web may affect your role/job, do not do it. Otherwise you get caught doing something which is not legal or smart, then you deserve what you get.

[Trassk]

The solution is simple. Do not do illegal or dumb activities on the web. Dumb things such as if you are in a job position which porn watching on the web may affect your role/job, do not do it. Otherwise you get caught doing something which is not legal or smart, then you deserve what you get.

So your in a job, work hard, come home, and yet you can't jerk one off to porn online because 'DATS BAD' according to grandma government. You know when medical professionals tell you that jerking off is considered a healthy thing to do to decrease blood pressure and stress, I wouldn't blame anymore from taking a bat to their bosses head if they can't even do that in the PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOME

[Caolela]

like i said people are blowing this way over the top this is what internet media does to the masses makes everyone thinks there gonna spy and steal all of your browsing data,

The U.S. has similar laws and regulations in place as above that sound great on paper, and might be effective if they were followed as written. But it hasn't stopped them from illegally spying and scooping up your data.

As I said, some of you really should take the time to watch former intelligence officials William Binney, Tom Drake, and J. Kirk Weibe, Congressional intelligence staffer Diane Roark (among others), easily found on YouTube, PBS Frontline, and elsewhere. Listen to their accounts, what happened to them when they came out with their info, how the gov't went after them with bogus charges and daily harassment.

Until you do, you're living in an unreality that has been carefully crafted. It has been going like this for decades, as the quote in my sig shows. When you have the Director of National Intelligence (James Clapper) openly admitting he lied to Congress yet never was charged with contempt or perjury (got off scot-free), you know the problem goes much deeper than what you're being spoon fed by the mainstream media.

Two U.S. representatives accused Clapper of perjury for telling a congressional committee in March 2013, that the NSA does not collect any type of data at all on millions of Americans. One senator asked for his resignation, and a group of 26 senators complained about Clapper's responses under questioning. Media observers have described Clapper as having lied under oath, having obstructed justice, and having given false testimony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Clapper