California regulates cow farts

[Yamuri]

I eat cows, I'm doing my part.

[Kujako]

they give the dairy cow corn and soy because it helps them to produce more milk so you cut that out you would need more cows for the same amount of milk more cows equal more cow farts

Have you tasted milk from a grass feb moo beast? It's MUCH better. They feed them soy and corn, because the farm subsidy bill makes them cheaper than free.

[Mehrunes]

Because a small farmer is totally going to require the same kind of a methane digester as a farm with 1500 cows.

[Deleted]

Well the good news is that the Climate Change fanatics might start actually targeting what they site as the largest causes of temperature gain instead of just trying to shoot down anything that spits out a single molecule of CO2.

They would have to exterminate themselves because of all the brain farts.

[Sirfailalot]

So, you support affirmative action? Apparently, you do...

As for the legislation, it's foolish. Cattle do produce far more greenhouse gases than people realize, but the solution is for people to stop eating less beef... not try and regulate them to death. Cattle are very inefficient livestock, and within 30-40 years, will likely be nothing more than a niche market. Chickens and pork are simply more efficient to raise, and cheaper to purchase. Capitalism will kill cattle ranching, not Jerry Brown. However, he's doing his damndest to try.

You're greatly underestimating how much people like their milk and Beef. I can't stand most pork, get sick of chicken before long, and love spaghetti more than my fellow man. Nevermind steak stuffed peppers Burgers...it's a long list.

There are a few veggie burgers that are good, they just don't try to taste like meat.

And this is why I will never replace my beef with shitty Veggie substitutes. I like its taste.

[zEmini]

You're greatly underestimating how much people like their milk and Beef. I can't stand most pork, get sick of chicken before long, and love spaghetti more than my fellow man. Nevermind steak stuffed peppers Burgers...it's a long list.



And this is why I will never replace my beef with shitty Veggie substitutes. I like its taste.

Garden Burgers are gross. Just a bunch of shitty processed vegetable paste.

Ill eat meat till I die!

[Kapadons]

Good. More demand for Texas cattle. Already taking Cali jobs. Need to take more.

[Daedius]

This whole "Green" tackling issue, for the past number of decades, is nothing but a complete farce to make money out of it...

Nothing short of disgusting. Soon they'll introduce a 'shit' tax because of the gases produced by people themselves.

[Sirfailalot]

Garden Burgers are gross. Just a bunch of shitty processed vegetable paste.

Ill eat meat till I die!

Pretty much. Yes.Unless they somehow magic up one that tastes EXACTLY like beef, fuck'em.

[Mad_Murdock]

Well, Since it's all about saving the planet then we must be willing to make sacrifices. So I say ban all cows by 2025. No more red meats which will be good for people anyways and no more milk. Followed shortly by a ban on all pets and other livestock, like sheep.

I also vote we put limits on the amount we're allowed to drive, electricity we're allowed to use. In fact the Govt should mandate Govt control thermals in all houses, so they can lock the temps to 68 degrees in the winter and 75 in the summer.

After all, this is about saving the planet before there is no planet to save, so there is really no limit to what should be banned or heavily controlled

[Sirfailalot]

This whole "Green" tackling issue, for the past number of decades, is nothing but a complete farce to make money out of it...

Nothing short of disgusting. Soon they'll introduce a 'shit' tax because of the gases produced by people themselves.

'You can either buy our special 8,000$ toilet system to reduce your pollution output or pay us 5% of your income or 1000$ a year, whichever is larger. Your choice.'

[Endus]

No this isn't from the Onion I had to check twice to be sure

well this is sure to drive the small family owned daily farmer out of business. how in the hell is a small farmer going to be able to afford the 4 million dollar set up required to meet this absurd law

Well, that's just not true at all. The one example from the article that involved a 4 million dollar piece of equipment involved a dairy that had 1,500 cows. That's not a "small family farm".

And yes; small farms can afford this stuff. I wrote a report (with my team) on agri-business development up here, and as part of our research we spoke with local Mennonite family farms which were running things like auto parts shops alongside their farm operations. It wasn't anything for one of those shops to have a $3 million dollar laser cutter, alongside plenty of other similar equipment.

Bear in mind, these were Mennonites. The drive-a-horse-and-buggy-to-market farmers.

so what should we expect next outlawing pork and beans?
or how about killing off the massive herds of wildebeest and zebra from Africa and the massive herds of caribou in Alaska and Canada
thank god we already got rid of the massive buffalo herds here in America I guess we can call those buffalo hunters in the 1800s environmentalist saving us from green house gasses

They've done studies on the emissions by wild ruminants, and cattle still significantly outpace what wild emissions would have been without livestock replacing them.

[Deleted]

Oh California, you never cease to amuse.

[Vyxn]

Well, that's just not true at all. The one example from the article that involved a 4 million dollar piece of equipment involved a dairy that had 1,500 cows. That's not a "small family farm".

And yes; small farms can afford this stuff. I wrote a report (with my team) on agri-business development up here, and as part of our research we spoke with local Mennonite family farms which were running things like auto parts shops alongside their farm operations. It wasn't anything for one of those shops to have a $3 million dollar laser cutter, alongside plenty of other similar equipment.

Bear in mind, these were Mennonites. The drive-a-horse-and-buggy-to-market farmers.



They've done studies on the emissions by wild ruminants, and cattle still significantly outpace what wild emissions would have been without livestock replacing them.

would a family farm be able to afford a million dollars to comply? most wouldn't
and your example you gave isn't relevant or in any way equivalent
that 3 million dollar laser cutter increased productivity there for an investment that paid for its self over time and increased profit
having to fork out 1 million or more to comply to that regulation wont increase productivity or profit it is nothing but an expenses with no upside to the bottom line

like I said all this does is help the large corporate dairy farms because they are capable of absorbing that expense and there competition the small family owned farm wont there for either forcing them to sell out to the corporation or go under

[Masark]

well this is sure to drive the small family owned daily farmer out of business. how in the hell is a small farmer going to be able to afford the 4 million dollar set up required to meet this absurd law

There's no need for any multi-million setup. Modifying the feed does the trick.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince...ting-1.3856202

[Endus]

would a family farm be able to afford a million dollars to comply? most wouldn't

Arbitrarily-invented numbers are arbitrary and invented.

and your example you gave isn't relevant or in any way equivalent
that 3 million dollar laser cutter increased productivity there for an investment that paid for its self over time and increased profit
having to fork out 1 million or more to comply to that regulation wont increase productivity or profit it is nothing but an expenses with no upside to the bottom line

The upside is "staying in business".

like I said all this does is help the large corporate dairy farms because they are capable of absorbing that expense and there competition the small family owned farm wont there for either forcing them to sell out to the corporation or go under

You vastly underestimate the capacities of farmers, for some reason. I work directly with the local agricultural community on stuff like this.

And really, it comes down to business; if your business model can't turn a profit given market conditions, then it's a flawed business model.

[Elegiac]

would a family farm be able to afford a million dollars to comply? most wouldn't

This is why tax credits exist.

[Notchris]

Bear in mind, these were Mennonites. The drive-a-horse-and-buggy-to-market farmers.

Them living simply shouldn't be taken to mean they're poor. Here, I'd be amazed to see a Mennonite business not have great equipment.
Not sure about your Mennonite communities, but around here (Ohio) they tend to be fairly well off (along with the Amish communities as well).

Mennonite and Amish goods and services are very popular and fetch premium prices in our surrounding areas.

[Endus]

Them living simply shouldn't be taken to mean they're poor. Here, I'd be amazed to see a Mennonite business not have great equipment.
Not sure about your Mennonite communities, but around here (Ohio) they tend to be fairly well off (along with the Amish communities as well).

Mennonite and Amish goods and services are very popular and fetch premium prices in our surrounding areas.

I wasn't impugning them at all; I have a lot of respect for our Mennonite community and what they've done. My point wasn't that they aren't financially successful, because they are, it's that they're exactly what is meant by "small family farms". Their religious observances limit some of their use of technology (mostly when used for personal convenience, with New Order and such), but they're savvy and have a great community and work ethic.

That "being well off" comes from running their farms incredibly well and with generations of savvy. They're an example of a GOOD business model. I pointed out the tech thing mostly to underscore that they're not folks who live lives of extravagance, buying shiny new gear just to have it, and spending money they don't really have.

[Rudkobing]

California regulates cow farts

As they should.