Britain has passed the 'most extreme surveillance law'

[Deleted]

The U.S. has similar laws and regulations in place as above that sound great on paper, and might be effective if they were followed as written. But it hasn't stopped them from illegally spying and scooping up your data.

As I said, some of you really should take the time to watch former intelligence officials William Binney, Tom Drake, and J. Kirk Weibe, Congressional intelligence staffer Diane Roark (among others), easily found on YouTube, PBS Frontline, and elsewhere. Listen to their accounts, what happened to them when they came out with their info, how the gov't went after them with bogus charges and daily harassment.

Until you do, you're living in an unreality that has been carefully crafted. It has been going like this for decades, as the quote in my sig shows. When you have the Director of National Intelligence (James Clapper) openly admitting he lied to Congress yet never was charged with contempt or perjury (got off scot-free), you know the problem goes much deeper than what you're being spoon fed by the mainstream media.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Clapper

your comparing a congressional intelligence staffer to everyone in the UK and others who are not average people and this is a UK law what america does is under there own laws.
al lthose people you mentioned are not like your average person in the UK

[Caolela]

your comparing a congressional intelligence staffer to everyone in the UK and others who are not average people and this is a UK law what america does is under there own laws.
al lthose people you mentioned are not like your average person in the UK

If you think it's any different for the UK, then you're more naive than you sound even from your posts here. News for you: as allies, they all work together and share data, programs and techniques.

You've obviously completely missed the point of what I've provided. Those people above are some that have been on the inside and are well qualified to speak about how the gov'ts have illegally obtained and used data. They're not just some people who got spied on like an average citizen.

[Deleted]

look your using high profile people not mr roberston down the street, the stuff your talking about isnt gonna be used against every average person, they can only see your top levels urls its been reported on numerous sites i suggest you go read them

[Eleccybubb]

look your using high profile people not mr roberston down the street, the stuff your talking about isnt gonna be used against every average person, they can only see your top levels urls its been reported on numerous sites i suggest you go read them

I suggest you link these sites that you oh so keep mentioning. Burden of proof is on you now.

[Caolela]

look your using high profile people not mr roberston down the street, the stuff your talking about isnt gonna be used against every average person, they can only see your top levels urls its been reported on numerous sites i suggest you go read them

Again, that's completely ill-informed and believing in kittens and unicorns. I'm far more educated and experienced on this than you, as I'd been part of the military intelligence apparatus decades ago.

It is exactly my point that indeed, it HAS been used against the average guy down the street, and/or the constant threat of it is there and is only growing every day. You'd know that if you'd avail yourself of the facts. Your choosing to pretend otherwise or playing ostrich in no way changes those facts.

[Deleted]

I suggest you link these sites that you oh so keep mentioning. Burden of proof is on you now.

and lots of other news sites and newspapers
ive already mentioned RTnews numerous times which is a reliable media source then you have the independant,telegraph

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Again, that's completely ill-informed and believing in kittens and unicorns. I'm far more educated and experienced on this than you, as I'd been part of the military intelligence apparatus decades ago.

It is exactly my point that indeed, it HAS been used against the average guy down the street, and/or the constant threat of it is there and is only growing every day. You'd know that if you'd avail yourself of the facts. Your choosing to pretend otherwise or playing ostrich in no way changes those facts.

decades ago yeah technology changes thats like saying hypothetically i was a lieutenant in 1950's army and saying im an expert on modern military weapons

[Nakotsu]

It's not ratified yet. Bascially it looks like your ISP will store things like URLs you visited for up to a year, Not sure what else.

There haven't been any terrorist attacks in Britain lately and good security is probably playing a role.





http://www.zdnet.com/article/snooper...s-becomes-law/

Britain has passed the 'most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy'

The law forces UK internet providers to store browsing histories -- including domains visited -- for one year, in case of police investigations.

It's 2016 going on 1984.

The UK has just passed a massive expansion in surveillance powers, which critics have called "terrifying" and "dangerous".
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The new law, dubbed the "snoopers' charter", was introduced by then-home secretary Theresa May in 2012, and took two attempts to get passed into law following breakdowns in the previous coalition government.

Four years and a general election later -- May is now prime minister -- the bill was finalized and passed on Wednesday by both parliamentary houses.

But civil liberties groups have long criticized the bill, with some arguing that the law will let the UK government "document everything we do online".

It's no wonder, because it basically does.

The law will force internet providers to record every internet customer's top-level web history in real-time for up to a year, which can be accessed by numerous government departments; force companies to decrypt data on demand -- though the government has never been that clear on exactly how it forces foreign firms to do that that; and even disclose any new security features in products before they launch.

Not only that, the law also gives the intelligence agencies the power to hack into computers and devices of citizens (known as equipment interference), although some protected professions -- such as journalists and medical staff -- are layered with marginally better protections.

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In other words, it's the "most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy," according to Jim Killock, director of the Open Rights Group.

The bill was opposed by representatives of the United Nations, all major UK and many leading global privacy and rights groups, and a host of Silicon Valley tech companies alike. Even the parliamentary committee tasked with scrutinizing the bill called some of its provisions "vague".

And that doesn't even account for the three-quarters of people who think privacy, which this law almost entirely erodes, is a human right.

There are some safeguards, however, such as a "double lock" system so that the secretary of state and an independent judicial commissioner must agree on a decision to carry out search warrants (though one member of the House of Lords disputed that claim).

A new investigatory powers commissioner will also oversee the use of the powers.

Despite the uproar, the government's opposition failed to scrutinize any significant amendments and abstained from the final vote. Killock said recently that the opposition Labour party spent its time "simply failing to hold the government to account".

But the government has downplayed much of the controversy surrounding the bill. The government has consistently argued that the bill isn't drastically new, but instead reworks the old and outdated Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA). This was brought into law in 2000, to "legitimize" new powers that were conducted or ruled on in secret, like collecting data in bulk and hacking into networks, which was revealed during the Edward Snowden affair.

Much of those activities were only possible thanks to litigation by one advocacy group, Privacy International, which helped push these secret practices into the public domain while forcing the government to scramble to explain why these practices were legal.

The law will be ratified by royal assent in the coming weeks.

Oh well guess everyone will go to the darkweb.

[Caolela]

decades ago yeah technology changes thats like saying hypothetically i was a lieutenant in 1950's army and saying im an expert on modern military weapons

Bad analogy.

What you don't realize is that what's changed are the means to gather, store, and use that info has improved greatly from what they had in the 80's, before the internet, and of course the doctrine that they've invented since 9/11 to skirt long-standing laws and regulations. It is still just intelligence gathering however, which is another word for information, while the threat and ability to use it for nefarious purposes has grown exponentially worse.

Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt.

[Deleted]

this isnt gonna happen overnight, the goverment said its gonna take around 12 months to get all ISP's to comply or not they have a choice, they can only see your TOP URLS if you have to hide behind a VPN i suggest you stop looking at pedo porn and downloading torrents, and edward snowdan saying about not using a VPN is like saying i dnt have free speech if i dnt have anything to say is complete horseshit, some services and websites actually block known vpn servers, and the fact most VPN's will log your data anyways so how is that any different from the goverment taking it, and if your doing illegal shit such as hacking or torrenting etc if the police suspect you and know what VPN your on they can jsut contact the VPN provider to get said information which is written in most if not all VPN's TOS and PP.

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Bad analogy.

What you don't realize is that what's changed are the means to gather, store, and use that info has improved greatly from what they had in the 80's, before the internet, and of course the doctrine that they've invented since 9/11 to skirt long-standing laws and regulations. It is still just intelligence gathering however, which is another word for information, while the threat and ability of using it for nefarious purposes has grown worse.

Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt.

well the internet was around in the 80's as someone who says he was in the intelligence agencies decades ago your not that bright cos the military used the internet for communications back then ofc it wasnt called the internet but it had its basic features of communication

[TwoNineMarine]

This is ridiculous.

The fact that people find this to be ok is amazing to me.

[Caolela]

well the internet was around in the 80's as someone who says he was in the intelligence agencies decades ago your not that bright cos the military used the internet for communications back then ofc it wasnt called the internet but it had its basic features of communication

Keep grasping at straws, young Jedi. There was no widely available public internet then, which is what this is about. Not the military spying on itself or other militaries.

[Eleccybubb]

Keep grasping at straws, young Jedi. There was no widely available public internet then, which is what this is about. Not the military spying on itself or other militaries.

This. Was ARPANET and Intranet if I recall that the military used back then?

[Deleted]

Keep grasping at straws, young Jedi. There was no widely available public internet then, which is what this is about. Not the military spying on itself or other militaries.

did i say widely available public internet no i didnt i said it was military communications learn to read

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This. Was ARPANET and Intranet if I recall that the military used back then?

thanks i was trying to look up the term for it

[Eleccybubb]

did i say widely available public internet no i didnt i said it was military communications learn to read

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thanks i was trying to look up the term for it

But it wasn't internet. It was an Intranet which is a completely different thing. Also you really are grasping at straws here since essentially any argument you have thrown out has been shut down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intranet

[Sosoulsu]

With as many migrant ghettos here are in Britain, it definitely is surprising we don't see terror attacks there like we do in Germany, France, and Sweden.

Rly makes u think . . .

[Deleted]

But it wasn't internet. It was an Intranet which is a completely different thing. Also you really are grasping at straws here since essentially any argument you have thrown out has been shut down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intranet

i even said i know it wasnt called internet, do people even read

[Caolela]

i even said i know it wasnt called internet, do people even read

SWOOSH!!!!...in one ear out the other...


OMG. /bangshead

[Oktoberfest]

I mean apart from some legal but strange Porn people might be into, what do Law abiding citizens have to hide?

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/1...d-surveillance


FBI's "Suicide Letter" to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Dangers of Unchecked Surveillance

[Deleted]

there not gonna do shit with this law anyways, the police are struggling as it is without finding all these people who break the law, HOW OFTEN DO I HAVE TO SAY IT, ITS ONLY TOP LEVEL URLS THEY CAN SEE, not every single fucking link and this has been reported by numerous media sites such as the telegraph,rtnews,independant and many others so many infact i cant even list them all, some people in this thread are creating things about this law that wont even happen, you do realise ghcq and mi6 have been watching us for years but dnt publicly announce it, yet people arent bothered cos they dnt know. but people should read news articles preferably from this month about the bill cos this bill has been going on and off for around 4 years so theres no point spouting stuff from 2012 cos the bill has changed alot since then

[Zelk]

I'm surprised Theresa May posts on mmo-champion but I have to say I'm even more surprised to learn she's such a massive furry fan. That's not a very conservative fetish at all.