Entire internet to be backed up in Canada over fears of censorship

[GrieverXIII]

What do you mean? As far as am aware the bill for any kind of internet censorship was struck down quickly in Canada. Media's are free of political interest mostly. Issuing death threats are not legal in most countries, including the US?

Wouldn't know what he's talking about either, unless he's one of these annoying brats from 2012. They got what they had coming.

[minteK917]

Wouldn't know what he's talking about either, unless he's one of these annoying brats from 2012. They got what they had coming.

But even that was not an attack on free speech, im assuming you mean the anti riot rules in Quebec, which banned covered faces and that the groups destinations had to be transmitted to the police for safety first. Its a temporary provincial law, such laws happen even with government against its own unions to not freeze all services during disputes. When the crisis is over anybody can challenge them at the federal supreme court and they will be put to the test of the charters of rights.

[derpkitteh]

What do you mean? As far as am aware the bill for any kind of internet censorship was struck down quickly in Canada. Media's are free of political interest mostly. Issuing death threats are not legal in most countries, including the US? Free speech is about the government vs you. Other citizens can always challenge your speech, thats their part of freedom.

Hell just recently the court is still refusing video radar evidence in court until it gets to appeal later. Meaning Canadians can only be persecuted by the police if a live witness or a police officer himself can corroborate the infraction.

a comedian got in trouble for making fun of a disabled person, and you can't say hate speech there.

hate speech is a fundamental part of freedom of speech. showing that even speech you hate and disagree with is allowed.

[May90]

a comedian got in trouble for making fun of a disabled person, and you can't say hate speech there.

What do these things have to do with freedom of speech (clickable)?

[derpkitteh]

What do these things have to do with freedom of speech (clickable)?

in the US, we allow hate groups to assemble and preach their ideals for all to hear, and that should never change.

you're also allowed to make jokes about the disabled without being arrested, as evidenced by our incoming president doing just that on the campaign trail.

these are freedom of speech, to deny either is as bad as denying any other forms of free speech.

[May90]

in the US, we allow hate groups to assemble and preach their ideals for all to hear, and that should never change.

you're also allowed to make jokes about the disabled without being arrested, as evidenced by our incoming president doing just that on the campaign trail.

these are freedom of speech, to deny either is as bad as denying any other forms of free speech.

Not that simple. You can only do this as long as it doesn't harm others. If you mock the disabled publicly, you may devastate them emotionally (which is what happened in the mentioned case in Canada), and, much like hitting them with your fist isn't considered part of freedom of movement, hurting them with words like this isn't part of freedom of speech, even in the US.

In the link:

Freedom of speech does not include the right:
...
Of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event.
Bethel School District #43 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986).

You forget that your speech doesn't exist in vacuum, it affects other people, it can hurt them and even cause them to commit suicide sometimes. Your words have weight, and you may have to take legal responsibility for the consequences. Both Canada and the US recognize that, Canada just has harsher rules on what is a legally protected speech and what is not.

[derpkitteh]

Not that simple. You can only do this as long as it doesn't harm others. If you mock the disabled publicly, you may devastate them emotionally (which is what happened in the mentioned case in Canada), and, much like hitting them with your fist isn't considered part of freedom of movement, hurting them with words like this isn't part of freedom of speech, even in the US.

In the link:

Freedom of speech does not include the right:
...
Of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event.
Bethel School District #43 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986).

You forget that your speech doesn't exist in vacuum, it affects other people, it can hurt them and even cause them to commit suicide sometimes. Your words have weight, and you may have to take legal responsibility for the consequences.

that's at a school event, the comedian made his jokes at a place for comedy.

and emotional distress is not a reason to restrict freedom of speech, and to my knowledge, it isn't part of the law. they allow conservatives to talk about restricting homosexual rights and such, which gives me quite a lot of fear and worry. but would i stop them from it because it is kinda scary? no.

i would stop them from enacting their visions through government, because of separation of church and state and human rights. but that's not silencing their voices on the matter.

[Fang7986]

I'm glad Canada is on top of protecting America's freedom of speech. Maybe next election we won't decide to elect a giant orange Cheeto as president.

considering how the left seems to think everything said that disagrees with them is hate speech, and they do everything they can to ban it, I don't think the Cheeto has a monopoly on threatening freedom of speech

[Cosmic Janitor]

Huh?

https://archive.org/web/

You realize this is already a thing that exists, and now they're mirroring it in another country... I missed the hilarity?

Fairly certain they aren't archiving the whole web there.. the server farms that youtube alone takes is hardly replicated on a .org site. To put it another way, there is so much illegal stuff out there, copy right violating material and (actually bad and) worse, if they backed that up as well they'd be closed down in seconds. A lot of the "internet" is hidden behind passwords and loginins as well. So no, they aren't archiving everything. That claim is indeed ludicrous. In reality we talk about the front end of some sites, nothing more.

[Mormolyce]

Well I've already archived most of the porn for them, that should cut down the server costs by a lot.

[minteK917]

a comedian got in trouble for making fun of a disabled person, and you can't say hate speech there.

hate speech is a fundamental part of freedom of speech. showing that even speech you hate and disagree with is allowed.

You realize this was not a conflict of freedom of speech right. The government has no involvment. Its the comedian Mike Ward vs Jeremy the disabled kid in a civil lawsuit.

[derpkitteh]

You realize this was not a conflict of freedom of speech right. The government has no involvment. Its the comedian Mike Ward vs Jeremy the disabled kid in a civil lawsuit.

it's still scummy, shouldn't be allowed.

and there's still the hate speech issue.

[Aggrophobic]

Hahahahaha, what are they going to download the entire internet??

Hahahahahaha!

...Embarrassing

[minteK917]

it's still scummy, shouldn't be allowed.

and there's still the hate speech issue.

Its not an issue, sorry muslims imam were denied coming to Canada to have a convention about how to beat women efficiently, too bad for them. Its still all over the internet even in Canada, but we simply dont allow this kind of Rhetoric to use public venues to spread hate. Extremists should never be allowed to simulate public unrest, goes for BLM, Feminist, Peta, muslims, MRA, list goes on.

Its the reason why our diversity has less effect on social cohesion, hate is simply not tolerated. Even as we take immigrants, segregation is frowned upon. Cult sites are denied all the time. Those are all values for social cohesion.

[derpkitteh]

Its not an issue, sorry muslims imam were denied coming to Canada to have a convention about how to beat women efficiently, too bad for them. Its still all over the internet even in Canada, but we simply dont allow this kind of Rhetoric to use public venues to spread hate. Extremists should never be allowed to simulate public unrest, goes for BLM, Feminist, Peta, muslims, MRA, list goes on.

Its the reason why our diversity has less effect on social cohesion, hate is simply not tolerated. Even as we take immigrants, segregation is frowned upon. Cult sites are denied all the time. Those are all values for social cohesion.

america's the best melting pot ever. race relations aren't half as bad as the media wants to scare you into believing. we allow everyone to speak, KKK and black panthers alike, BLM and radfems that want female dominance, everyone can speak their ideals in a public gathering, and that's the way it should be.

[May90]

that's at a school event, the comedian made his jokes at a place for comedy.

and emotional distress is not a reason to restrict freedom of speech, and to my knowledge, it isn't part of the law. they allow conservatives to talk about restricting homosexual rights and such, which gives me quite a lot of fear and worry. but would i stop them from it because it is kinda scary? no.

i would stop them from enacting their visions through government, because of separation of church and state and human rights. but that's not silencing their voices on the matter.

A place for comedy does not have any special laws protecting it. You can just as much infringe on someone's rights while speaking from the stage, as anywhere else.

If emotional distress is not a reason to limit what people can say to each other, then why is physical distress a reason to limit what people can do to each other? The society doesn't work like this; unless you have a perfect society in which everyone behaves properly, allowing everyone to do/say whatever they want isn't going to work well.

I think the government should only have one job: protect people's rights. And I think one of the rights it should protect is people's dignity: I should have a right to not be bullied by some comedian on stage without my permission. If he wants to make jokes about people like me in general, sure, go ahead - but you don't get to mock me on stage personally, unless I'm running for some kind of public position and my life is no longer private. And while I personally am more thick-skinned than to be distressed by some random telling nasty things about me, I still think the concept holds.

[Sesshou]

It is really sad that something like this needs to be done.
I wonder where they will store it.

Canada is far more likely to censor the internet... they picked a dumb place to back up to. I mean I guess China and the UK are probably worse...

[minteK917]

america's the best melting pot ever. race relations aren't half as bad as the media wants to scare you into believing. we allow everyone to speak, KKK and black panthers alike, BLM and radfems that want female dominance, everyone can speak their ideals in a public gathering, and that's the way it should be.

Toronto would like to differ, since its more diverse than any city in the United states and safer.

[Flarelaine]

Here in Canada we have a Prime Minister who thought Castro was an amazing person who did a lot for his country.

For all I know, he did. Cuba is poor, sure, but it was poor to begin with and at least he improved access to education and healthcare. Whether he could have done more is another page.

[caervek]

Hahahahaha, what are they going to download the entire internet??

Hahahahahaha!

Huh?

https://archive.org/web/

You realize this is already a thing that exists, and now they're mirroring it in another country... I missed the hilarity?

The phrase "owned", doesn't do this justice XD