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    Theres a good chance Trump would have won if it was a popular vote campaign as well. Keep in mind, the campaign and the policies would have been much different (to be fair, it would have on Hillary's end as well). Given that the election that happened was to win 270 electoral votes, and not to win the popular vote, it would be akin to complaining that a football team that achieved more yardage deserved to win over the one that scored the most points. B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsc View Post
    C. Obama went on record, on camera and told 6 Million Illegals to vote. " It's Ok" This is a serious problem.

    I see the title of that video has you all confused and unable to listen to Obama's words. Here is a direct quote, highlighted so you can better understand it.

    Not true. And the reason is first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself and there is not a situation where the voting rolls are somehow transferred over and people start investigating, etc.. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential
    He CLEARLY acknowledges the fact you you have to be a citizen prior to voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Matter View Post
    Not a random Google Docs document. The author is David Wasserman. A well known political analyst. Here is the page that references the document (and also has the numbers).

    http://cookpolitical.com/story/10174

    The document just provides more detail.
    Hmm, I see. The contact details of that company btw... The Watergate? :P

    Still don't trust their numbers 100%. They're just one step above blogshitters if you ask me. But their numbers look realistic, so why the hell not...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krigaren View Post
    Oh, we're very aware the orange rage machine won. The purpose of pointing out the popular vote count is to counter any notion that The Donald is "America's choice", when the majority of American voters did not, in fact, choose him.

    Hillary was America's choice, by democratic vote. Get over that.
    Well, he certainly wasn't California's choice which is where Hillary beat Trump by a whopping 4 million voters. Accordingly, as set up in the US Constitution, California charged their electors(the people that actually vote for the president, not regular US citizens) to vote for Clinton. Clinton won 55 electoral votes from California.

    Take away that 4mil gap from California, and Trump beats Clinton in the popular vote by nearly 2mil. rofl

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    What part of 'you lose' don't you Democrats understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clone View Post
    Paper ballots.

    OT the silent majority has spoken motherfuckers, and it ain't the right.
    That majority is far from silent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matchles View Post
    I see the title of that video has you all confused and unable to listen to Obama's words. Here is a direct quote, highlighted so you can better understand it.



    He CLEARLY acknowledges the fact you you have to be a citizen prior to voting.
    We see things sometimes based on what we ether want to see/hear or what we do not want to see/hear. He only says when you vote, you are assumed to be a citizen ( not you are a legal one with the right to vote ) and there is no reason to fear because it is done in a private situation. In other words, if you make it to the voting stand, the chances of getting caught are slim and none.
    Last edited by Ghostpanther; 2016-12-02 at 02:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsc View Post
    She cheated and still got her ass kicked. finding extra trunkfulls of "lost" ballots won't change things. All this is are the Dems attempting to undermine Trump's presidency.
    A) They didn't campaign to win "popular vote" They campaigned for Electoral college votes, which Trump destroyed her in.
    B)1.8 million deceased voted?
    12 million with incorrect address
    and 2.75 with more than one state. Dem Machine doing Dem Machine things...
    She cheated? Oh, you mean where she motivated her base by; crying, whining, complaining and moaning about the entire thing being rigged against her for two years? Oh wait that wasn't her. I'm not entirely sure how winning the popular vote by millions is an "ass kicking" but I guess we can pretend?

    Finding extra votes? You mean all the ballots that still have to be hand counted after the election, even though that county/state was called early because there was a clear winner? How is her winning the popular vote by more than 2.5 million trying to undermine anything? Facts, are facts. What you do with the facts is something else entirely, but claiming anything was magically "lost" and then found is disingenuous to say the least and shows and unclear understanding of the election process.

    B) Um no they didn't. Read your own article.

    24 million voter registration records in the United States, or about 1 in 8, were “significantly inaccurate or no longer valid."
    Some states are hesitant to purge voter rolls, because it leaves out minorities who might have skipped an election or two. Traditionally Republicans, even in 2016 campaigned to purge voter rolls as often as possible in an effort to hope that those unaware wouldn't register in time and they would be guaranteed a win in that state. Yes this leaves deceased sometimes on the rolls, and people registered in 2 states, but find me a statistic on how often someones presents an ID with their photo on a deceased person's card or drives to the state of their previous residence and votes twice. It's so minuscule that you can't.

    All that spin and none of it even accurate...
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    I like how we have come full circle with Democrats pushing for an end to electronic voting machines, after calling for an end to paper ballots in 2000. Maybe just accept it a little better when you lose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    We see things sometimes based on what we ether want to see/hear or what we do not want to see/hear. He only says when you vote, you are assumed to be a citizen ( not you are a legal one with the right to vote ) and there is no reason to fear because it is done in a private situation. In other words, if you make it to the voting stand, the chances of getting caught are slim and none.
    In this case, you are reading assumed, where he clearly states "you are a citizen", not you might be. In fact, let's go with he meant assume that when you vote you are a citizen, that still doesn't turn it into him encouraging illegal immigrants to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tijuana View Post
    I like how we have come full circle with Democrats pushing for an end to electronic voting machines, after calling for an end to paper ballots in 2000. Maybe just accept it a little better when you lose?
    I don't understand how 'hanging chad' is coming full circle when the issue now is electronic machines. Yeah, I bitched about Comcast service, switched to their XFinity service and then cancelled their service because that was terrible as well. That's not coming full circle, that's a solution creating a different problem.
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    What do you call a system like that because it is not democrazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreebs View Post
    What do you call a system like that because it is not democrazy
    A republic. The US is not a democracy; we have representative government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreebs View Post
    What do you call a system like that because it is not democrazy
    The United States is a Republic not a democracy. We do things in a democratic way but have never been a true democracy. Closer to a representative democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreebs View Post
    What do you call a system like that because it is not democrazy
    California and New York do not speak for all of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swisscheese View Post
    California and New York do not speak for all of America.
    Does every citizen in NY and California speak equally like every citizen in US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Does every citizen in NY and California speak equally like every citizen in US?
    Of course not, because they're dirty libtards that need to be put into camps!

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    Hillary said that if Trump didn't accept the results of the election it would be a "direct threat to democracy". Now Hillary and Jill Stein are demanding all these recounts. Such hypocrites lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tijuana View Post
    I like how we have come full circle with Democrats pushing for an end to electronic voting machines, after calling for an end to paper ballots in 2000. Maybe just accept it a little better when you lose?
    I think your attitude would be a little different if you were living in a large state and your vote counts for 8/10ths of some backwoods hick's vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampyrr View Post
    The United States is a Republic not a democracy. We do things in a democratic way but have never been a true democracy. Closer to a representative democracy.
    This is a fallacy that needs to go away

    The US is a democracy...the was the US defines republic is just a democracy in another name. A representative democracy is still a democracy, its still a part of the republican - a government by the people for the people. The US is a true a democracy as any another. Not being a direct democracy doesn't make not a democracy nor is the US government without influence of the popular vote. Even the EC must uphold the popular vote is must states and it others its just never been challenged.

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