Trump just pissed off Beijing in a major way

[May90]

I do find it hillarious that China (PRoC) likes to pretend that they control an island that they clearly don't control. And if we talk to said island, they get butthurt.

It is the same thing as two Koreas. Their official narrative is that the other Korea is just occupied by a criminal regime, but is still a part of their whole state. Admitting that your state doesn't own a territory any more looks bad in the eyes of the population, and when it is a huge China that can't even get a small island back, they have to resort to incredible mental gymnastics to not only justify it, but to also make it look like Taiwan is somehow theirs to command.

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lmao, nice world in which u live, just in your very own bubble.
And the USA do protect my Country? From what? big bad Russia?

World Police USA is long ago, they are only laughable right now.

Forgot history, huh? Your city was under Russian control just some 28 years ago. Thanks to the US involvement in and funding of Western Germany, the reunification process went well and didn't end up in a civil war, like such processes usually do.

[Soulfighter101]

We haven't talked to them in 37 years for a reason, being that we don't WANT to piss off China for no god damned reason. Souring diplomatic ties with one of our largest trade partners for a country that would have extraordinarily small impacts on our own trade is an idea tantamount to economic suicide. This week, he also bent the knee to companies shipping jobs by just offering tax breaks left and right.

Though it's not like we didn't already know he had zero economic sense, he's gone bankrupt a number of times and refuses to show proof that he actually has wealth.

[Nasuem]

(1) As I said, I underestimated the backwardness of the working class in three key states. I won't make that mistake again. Hillary Clinton still won more votes by far. But that said, that's not how we choose the President. Silly me for thinking that might translate into electoral votes.

I regret nothing.

(2) Trump... 'winning'... ehhhh it depends on your perspective. He's worth $3.7 billion. A billionaire sure, but he's been one for decades and it's barely moved. And it's been mostly in real estate and hotels. Meanwhile his contemporaries became five to twenty times richer in the three tech booms and three major financial booms that Trump has lived through since 1980. While his contemporaries create new financial instruments or invest in Uber, Microsoft and Amazon, Trump has tried rather pedestrian ways of expanding his wealth.

That is to say, Trump 'wins' at the very narrow set of things he's good at. But compared to his peers, he's been a rather unremarkable billionaire who has achieved surprisingly little by comparison despite being 'on the scene' for decades. He's great at Hotels and Real Estate for certain clientel. But at 70 years old, the question should be asked, why isn't he worth five to ten times as much?

That may seem ridiculous, but consider, Bill Gates is worth $80 billion... much of that early wealth was Microsoft stock of course, but that was decades ago. he's long since parlayed that into highly diversified holdings. Modern Bill Gates is worth $80 billion not because of Microsoft, but because of his investments. He used money to make more money.

Trump loves to spin the tale of how he's one of America's most successful businessmen. He's not. He's worth as much as Steven Spielberg. He's worth less than a guy who started a pet food company. He's a successful man, but his contemporaries simply did a lot more than he ever did, when it came to turning wealth into more wealth. While he was starting Trump ties and Trump suits, they were investing in start-ups. That tells you something about Donald Trump as a person. He's a man without a shred of imagination.

I am very curious to know what the man who says things like "unremarkable billionaire" does for a living. Looking at your post count I'd guess, nothing?

[mvaliz]

Now he just needs to talk to the Dalai Lama and tell him he supports a free Tibet.

Please make that so....!

I doubt Trump would ever use the word "free" to somebody else. :P

[Mormolyce]

The vast majority of those 20% of imports are garbage junker toys or misc trash that no one actually buys.

Okay lol.

If nobody bought it, you'd stop importing it.

[Draco-Onis]

To those of you thinking the fall of the US to China economically is inevitable, go fuck yourselves.

"How's Trump going to keep Carrier in the US? Is he going to wave a magic wand or something" - Obama

No you simpleton. he's going to call up the CEO and use the leverage of government contracts and tarrifs to spend 7 million dollars to keep ~495 million dollars worth of work in the US. There's nothing magic about it. There's just actually giving a fuck about America.

You think Carrier gave up 65 million dollars in savings because of threats and leverage? then I got a bridge to sell you. In the words of Donald Trump " this is SOCIALISM, SOLINDRA x 100, government picking winners and losers folks". In long form he promised them so much tax cuts and deregulation that they won't need to send those jobs to Mexico. And even with all this fanfare they still closed a factory and shipped 1300 jobs to Mexico. But you are free to believe that this was some master negotiation and not just a PR move for people whose jobs will be sent to Mexico eventually anyways.

Do you think Obama's daughters get to meet heads of state?

They sure as fuck do. Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

You think Obama's daughters get to sit in with in when he is discussing affairs of the state with international leaders or listen in on their phone calls. There is a huge difference between meeting a head of state and being part of the meeting, you think the republicans would not have thrown a fit if they heard this?

[Caliph]

Yes a nuclear armed high school freshman that owns all of our manufacturing and owns 10% of our debt.

I mean the level of ignorance and hubris in the american people is astoundingly frightening. I'm glad someone shed some light on it. Oh wait better check fox news to see how they'll spin it into "meh we own china, they're nothing let's send our 7th fleet to the striaits and see how they like it".

[Nokami]

Yes. From Russia. Only a fool would think Russia is a friend. Russia looks at Germany... at Europe... and sees property to be within it's orbit. For Germany, good relations with Russia will come at the price of Germany's power in the world and ultimately, German interests.

And 'world police' as you put it, is enduring. Or haven't you been reading the news about what the US has been doing in Europe and Asia Pacific the past year and a half?

The US isn't going anywhere.

Russia is not just a friend, they are more or less the only bastion of Europe, we don't need US Troops in our Country. As long as Russia and China are both partners, the US will never in not any situation play against them in a military conflict. The Global Players has changed forever, and will do so even more in the future.

The Era of the war machine US which laughable never won a War by themselfes is ending, not even crappy Vietnam they could conquer. Without Russia you were not even in the situation to win WW2, cause your Military forces are a joke even with modern tec. So please, your stupid US Forces never did anything good (iraq haha). And even your Budget worthy Moon Landing was only possible because of GERMAN engineers, how silly looks that? Like hey, Import von Braun and use German knowledge to gain a advantage, i can't stop laughing about that.

US People always think they done so great, but history tells they failed always without help.

[Soeroah]

We don't owe China anything

I almost spat my gum at my monitor.

Don't you owe China trillions of dollars in debt?

[Skroe]

I am very curious to know what the man who says things like "unremarkable billionaire" does for a living. Looking at your post count I'd guess, nothing?

Software engineering at a Boston-area Robotics firm.

Also I thought I made abundantly clear that statement was relative to other billionaires. It's a matter of fact - Trump's fortune, and where he's made his money, hasn't moved in the ways many of his New York peers have moved over the last 30 or 40 years. He's good at the narrow thing he does to get that wealthy, but his business history is not one of being an imaginative risk taker. I mean let's consider what his friend Carl Ichan invested in and then let's contrast that to Trump. Trump's a billionaire, and thus, certainly successful. But relative to his peers, he's deeply underperformed for someone so established. .

[Auxora]

China was already putting out articles in (government owned) newspapers bashing Trump and his plans, because they aren't happy about his plans to label them currency manipulators and his threats of tariffs/pulling jobs back to the US. So it was already off to a problematic relationship with Trump and China, and this is certain to crank that up a few notches further.

That said, part of me wonders if this was less an oversight and Trump not knowing better, or an intentional shot across the bow in response to their articles bashing him which China put out over the last week. The fact that he specifically congratulated him on President of Taiwan reinforces that.

Also, if the US *is* going to be "great again" we should be able to make a cordial phone call without being scared what China thinks. We don't tell them they can't talk with North Korea. It's not like we're building islands in territory we don't own and then militarizing it and claiming vast areas around it as ours...

[oxymoronic]

You should read a bit more into Trump's history Skroe. If it weren't for daddy Trump bailing him out several times, and banks giving him loans that he never once paid back, Trump would be a nothing right now. I'd suggest starting with a little documentary called "Trump: What's the Deal?" It was finished in 1991 in a series of documentaries about billionaires, and it was the most scathing one, pointing out how close he was to politicians, how much his bullying had failed and he had to bend over and take it in the ass, and how much of a failure of a businessman he truly is. It was never really seen because it was only released on VHS in very limited quantities. Trump threatened to sue any network that aired it, so rather than jumping into a litigious nightmare, they all just decided to say fuck it.

Also, as to your reply to me, it's always a pleasure to read the thoughts of a true conservative. Keep up the good work.

and for some reason you think its all real. i was actually alive then and trump was a fucking boss. every movie, every rap lyric every thing about trump was, hes a fucking boss making money mother fucker. deal with it, DEAL WITH IT.

[hydrium]

There is a time and place to pick this fight with China. I'm all for a confrontational approach with China - at the other end of a coordinated strategy that limits their opions. A sloppy slap to the face gets us nothing.

This happened because Trump, knowing jack-all about the world and ignoring the State Department, didn't know any better.

Trumpkins pretending this is anything other than a monumental screw up at this point are being beyond nakedly dishonest. Spoiler Alert: it's okay for "your guy" to screw up and you to call him on it.

Still, causing a major international incident in less than 30 days of becoming President-elect has got to be some kind of record. As I've been saying, what will do in Trump will be an accident. He'll screw up so badly, and not even realize he did it until it's too late. This is a preview.

You're trying too hard. 2/10

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[oxymoronic]

Jimmy Carter's stupid move to break relations with Taiwan and recognize the "One-China" policy is what made China into the economic powerhouse it is today. With every succeeding president that continues to parrot this mantra, the more power they cede to China. Trump's tweet can be considered reckless, but Clinton would have simply continued Obama's incompetent policy towards China.

reckless or tactful instigation... i think trump is smarter than anybody on this forum so i'll let him play his game and wait for the dust to settle.

are there people on this forum that really think they are smarter than trump? if so you should read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

its something that gamers in general suffer badly from.

[May90]

i think trump is smarter than anybody on this forum

Reeeeeeeally tempted to put it on my signature. This forum delivers, oh boy, it does!



I feel so dumb in comparison...

[Stormdash]

Back on planet Earth, China responded with an ambivalent shrug and even an indication that it makes sense and that it doesn't upset the "one China" relationship. Also, the Obama administration sold Taiwan nearly $2b in arms, which is... a bit more engaged than a phone call.

[Caliph]

I'm 100% for a hard line with the tyrants in Beijing.

50% tariff on everything Made in China. WTO doesn't like it? US leaves the WTO.

Park a third of the US Pacific Fleet in Taiwan's territorial waters and publicly state support for Taiwanese independence. Make it clear that any attack on USN ships will be the closing of the book on Chinese history.

Basically, dare the PRC to cross a line that will end them.

Oh so tough. It's that easy is it? And china won't respond? you tough guys are the same idiots who voted for trump because he's going to get tough on "islamic terrorism" "mexican rapists" "make america great again".

So tough aren't you. I hope you and yours will be amongst the first to sign up for the pacific fleet you so brazenly want to send into their waters. you will be won't you?

[Nasuem]

Software engineering at a Boston-area Robotics firm.

Also I thought I made abundantly clear that statement was relative to other billionaires. It's a matter of fact - Trump's fortune, and where he's made his money, hasn't moved in the ways many of his New York peers have moved over the last 30 or 40 years. He's good at the narrow thing he does to get that wealthy, but his business history is not one of being an imaginative risk taker. I mean let's consider what his friend Carl Ichan invested in and then let's contrast that to Trump. Trump's a billionaire, and thus, certainly successful. But relative to his peers, he's deeply underperformed for someone so established. .

Robotics, of course. Why would globalization and free trade bother you? You will slowly automate every job short of, I guess software engineer. I'm sure you're great with coding, but like most "smart" people, you are pretty much socially defunct. The world needs jobs for low education people. We have enough fucking apps. If the entire population of the USA was achieving at the high level you deem necessary, better people than you would have your job.

You're just so insanely out of touch, you don't have any idea what it's like for the bulk of the working class.

[Spectral]

reckless or tactful instigation... i think trump is smarter than anybody on this forum so i'll let him play his game and wait for the dust to settle.

are there people on this forum that really think they are smarter than trump? if so you should read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

its something that gamers in general suffer badly from.

I guess it depends what you mean by "smarter". I think it's pretty likely that I have a higher IQ than Trump and would test higher on most tests of verbal intelligence, mathematical intelligence, or general knowledge. Maybe I'd turn out to be wrong, but he doesn't strike me as someone that would be ~3 SDs above the norm.

[oxymoronic]

lmao, nice world in which u live, just in your very own bubble.
And the USA do protect my Country? From what? big bad Russia?

World Police USA is long ago, they are only laughable right now.

its cool that we give you the freedom to be this naive about the world but it has become a tired scenario. and yes, russia, china hell even india would smack the shit out of ya if we werent around. they would come for your blood and possessions so quick, personally i would enjoy it but i think most your countrymen and you know the truth. you just dont like it.