7.1.5 PTR Notes Changes for DPS DKs

[Zandalariprelate]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/12#dataset=95 "warlock are in the bottom of damage" typical warlock post lol.

Are you serious? Locks are ranged.

Do you even play this game?

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Warlocks crying they,re not top, dks crying because were ladt.

Who will get more love on the ptr...?

Warlocks are not bottom damage.

The "We're not OP so we're trash" mentality that Warlocks have needs to end.

Whooa you guys clearly dont even play warlock, in fact i doubt any of you are doing mythic raid or have any warlock in his raid and is not just the warlock community even blizzard admited that


From Watcher:We agree with a number of the core concerns raised, but don't have immediate solutions (or those solutions will take more time to design, implement, and test than the 7.1.5 PTR cycle affords). A couple of examples off the top of my head:
Steady/predictable Ember generation suited the Destruction rotation well, and something important was lost in the course of unifying the class to use a single shared resource, but fixing that at this point isn't just as simple as rolling everything back to Embers.
Mechanics like Demonic Empowerment and Soul Effigy are cumbersome to manage and while they have strong spec-specific theming, the actual gameplay of using them drags down their respective specs.

We're probably too reluctant to acknowledge problems for which we don't yet have a solution to present. But the fact that we haven't yet changed something doesn't mean that we think it's perfect as-is.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/7...hold-feedback/


Also the top guilds only have 1 warlock and only because those player love a lot his warlock chars like sparkgutzz

http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/tarren-mill/Method

http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/...ether/Serenity

Damage from heyla
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...le=7&boss=2008

Guarm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...le=7&boss=1962

Only we shine in Odyn because Wreak Havoc if you are gonna use warcraft logs at least look the parses and analyzed fight by fight. This is the last reply I gave to you because the stupidity is contagious.

[Deleted]

You guys REALLY need to get back on topic, this is irritating to read, especially the MS garbage. Who cares.

Back to the point. I can see BoS being nerfed as even if it takes "skill" and timing, it's doing ABSURD damage on PTR. I literally played it without practice was averaging 550-600k on Trilliax, until I had to grab food etc. So yet it may be punishing, but it still is doing insane damage. Again remember PTR Nighthold is setting everything to 879 IL and removing the 35th trait for testing so you can just imagine how out of control it will be.

So I did run the BoS build with Gathering Storm, which is actually really fun. Although I had 0 Weak Auras and UI wasn't properly setup etc, so I can guarantee MUCH higher DPS/DMG output. On top of this I was using the legendary ring and belt from the vendor, it just makes the "rotation" more manageable. I did play Unholy for most of my testing, but the only fight I felt it excelled on was Chromatic Anom(Used Kil'jaden trinket and Unholy bracers) and if you just hold the Kil'jaden trinket for when the large anomalies split, it's EASILY your #1 damage


TL;DR Buff Unholy dk please.

I was worried they'd overbuff Breath. I thought the first buff was fine coupled with the ME and HoW changes. Personally I don't mind the spec too much, but I know some people absolutely despise it, especially with how mandatory it was for everything in WoD, and I'd hate for it to be forced on them again.

Honestly I think it should be slightly below GA and OB single target if you manage it well, with a big advantage on cleave fights. Making it the best Single Target makes it absurd for cleave and AoE.

And of course the worst possible outcome is we get balanced around BoS entirely, making other builds and/or fights where it is unusable a complete hell for us all.

[Skullbound]

Can you elaborate which stat-distribution you used and how high your actual BoS uptime on the encounter has been?

Breath uptime can be MUCH better, as I mentioned didn't really have a good setup, but the longest was 1:30 or so with getting off the boss to grab cake etc since we had 1-2 range

Also stats were kind of just thrown together 7,489 Crit, 7,931 Haste, 3,912 Mastery.

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Whooa you guys clearly dont even play warlock, in fact i doubt any of you are doing mythic raid or have any warlock in his raid and is not just the warlock community even blizzard admited that

WOAAA, who would've guessed, the DK part of the forums doesn't play Warlock! What a shocker!!!!!!!

Take your garbage back to where it came from, this isn't the thread for warlock ranting, no one cares.

[Zandalariprelate]

WOAAA, who would've guessed, the DK part of the forums doesn't play Warlock! What a shocker!!!!!!!

Take your garbage back to where it came from, this isn't the thread for warlock ranting, no one cares.

Nobody talk to you, dont like it? Them GTFO of this Thread

Infraction

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Whooa you guys clearly dont even play warlock, in fact i doubt any of you are doing mythic raid or have any warlock in his raid and is not just the warlock community even blizzard admited that


From Watcher:We agree with a number of the core concerns raised, but don't have immediate solutions (or those solutions will take more time to design, implement, and test than the 7.1.5 PTR cycle affords). A couple of examples off the top of my head:
Steady/predictable Ember generation suited the Destruction rotation well, and something important was lost in the course of unifying the class to use a single shared resource, but fixing that at this point isn't just as simple as rolling everything back to Embers.
Mechanics like Demonic Empowerment and Soul Effigy are cumbersome to manage and while they have strong spec-specific theming, the actual gameplay of using them drags down their respective specs.

We're probably too reluctant to acknowledge problems for which we don't yet have a solution to present. But the fact that we haven't yet changed something doesn't mean that we think it's perfect as-is.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/7...hold-feedback/


Also the top guilds only have 1 warlock and only because those player love a lot his warlock chars like sparkgutzz

http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/tarren-mill/Method

http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/...ether/Serenity

Damage from heyla
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...le=7&boss=2008

Guarm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...le=7&boss=1962

Only we shine in Odyn because Wreak Havoc if you are gonna use warcraft logs at least look the parses and analyzed fight by fight. This is the last reply I gave to you because the stupidity is contagious.

I dream of unholy being with 10% of locks.

If you think a ranged dps which is middle or near top of charts on most fights is comparable to the current state of unholy you are delusional.

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Nobody talk to you, dont like it? Them GTFO of this Thread

Did anyone talk to you, or mention Warlocks in the first place? You're derailing the thread with your offtopic that no one cares about.
And by the way, it's my thread, I made it, about DKs, not Warlocks. You get out.

[Kraeth]

Nobody talk to you, dont like it? Them GTFO of this Thread

Get the fuck out. Enough of your trolling.

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Whooa you guys clearly dont even play warlock, in fact i doubt any of you are doing mythic raid or have any warlock in his raid and is not just the warlock community even blizzard admited that


From Watcher:We agree with a number of the core concerns raised, but don't have immediate solutions (or those solutions will take more time to design, implement, and test than the 7.1.5 PTR cycle affords). A couple of examples off the top of my head:
Steady/predictable Ember generation suited the Destruction rotation well, and something important was lost in the course of unifying the class to use a single shared resource, but fixing that at this point isn't just as simple as rolling everything back to Embers.
Mechanics like Demonic Empowerment and Soul Effigy are cumbersome to manage and while they have strong spec-specific theming, the actual gameplay of using them drags down their respective specs.

We're probably too reluctant to acknowledge problems for which we don't yet have a solution to present. But the fact that we haven't yet changed something doesn't mean that we think it's perfect as-is.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/7...hold-feedback/


Also the top guilds only have 1 warlock and only because those player love a lot his warlock chars like sparkgutzz

http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/tarren-mill/Method

http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/...ether/Serenity

Damage from heyla
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...le=7&boss=2008

Guarm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...le=7&boss=1962

Only we shine in Odyn because Wreak Havoc if you are gonna use warcraft logs at least look the parses and analyzed fight by fight. This is the last reply I gave to you because the stupidity is contagious.

When Warlocks are OP, The Warlock "community" seems to be really quiet. (Aka SoO)

I get Warlocks have mechanical issues, most specs do but NUMBERS WISE WARLOCKS ARE FINE.



There are specs in MUCH DIRE need of attention than any Warlock Spec.

Unholy and Outlaw are 2 that come to mind.

[Nemesquish]

Whooa you guys clearly dont even play warlock, in fact i doubt any of you are doing mythic raid or have any warlock in his raid and is not just the warlock community even blizzard admited that


From Watcher:We agree with a number of the core concerns raised, but don't have immediate solutions (or those solutions will take more time to design, implement, and test than the 7.1.5 PTR cycle affords). A couple of examples off the top of my head:
Steady/predictable Ember generation suited the Destruction rotation well, and something important was lost in the course of unifying the class to use a single shared resource, but fixing that at this point isn't just as simple as rolling everything back to Embers.
Mechanics like Demonic Empowerment and Soul Effigy are cumbersome to manage and while they have strong spec-specific theming, the actual gameplay of using them drags down their respective specs.

We're probably too reluctant to acknowledge problems for which we don't yet have a solution to present. But the fact that we haven't yet changed something doesn't mean that we think it's perfect as-is.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/7...hold-feedback/


Also the top guilds only have 1 warlock and only because those player love a lot his warlock chars like sparkgutzz

http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/tarren-mill/Method

http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/...ether/Serenity

Damage from heyla
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...le=7&boss=2008

Guarm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...le=7&boss=1962

Only we shine in Odyn because Wreak Havoc if you are gonna use warcraft logs at least look the parses and analyzed fight by fight. This is the last reply I gave to you because the stupidity is contagious.

Warlocks have a spec higher than DK on every single fight this expansion so far. Pure ST/AoE/ Cleave...Every fight. Warlock has the ability to basically beat every spec with the exception of Spriest.


If you think warlocks are in a bad spot, It's because you are a sub par player.

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Warlocks are not bottom damage.

The "We're not OP so we're trash" mentality that Warlocks have needs to end.

Like lock in our guild believes theyre shit while he is actuly one of the higher dps usaly.

[Nemesquish]

Like lock in our guild believes theyre shit while he is actuly one of the higher dps usaly.

Most locks and mages have the same thing going atm...Theyre not #1 so the complain, even if they're 2 and 3.

As Frost Im happy im like a 13th spec atm.

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Most locks and mages have the same thing going atm...Theyre not #1 so the complain, even if they're 2 and 3.

As Frost Im happy im like a 13th spec atm.

yep, that lock also thinks other people are trash cause they cant beat him on dmg even though some specs even when played 100% best wont ever beat him as demo on say ursoc or so.

[Zenlogic]

Breath uptime can be MUCH better, as I mentioned didn't really have a good setup, but the longest was 1:30 or so with getting off the boss to grab cake etc since we had 1-2 range

Also stats were kind of just thrown together 7,489 Crit, 7,931 Haste, 3,912 Mastery.

With the right legendaries you can get well over 2 minutes on ur first 2 HRW breath (without HOW talent) with it im not sure PTR delay doesnt help.

[Skullbound]

With the right legendaries you can get well over 2 minutes on ur first 2 HRW breath (without HOW talent) with it im not sure PTR delay doesnt help.

Yeah I'm not really concerned with how long it was on PTR since my setup wasn't how I would normally run it. But I do have a screenshot someone shared recently of Mini with a 5min breath. Though it was on a dummy.

[Zandalariprelate]

I was worried they'd overbuff Breath. I thought the first buff was fine coupled with the ME and HoW changes. Personally I don't mind the spec too much, but I know some people absolutely despise it, especially with how mandatory it was for everything in WoD, and I'd hate for it to be forced on them again.

Honestly I think it should be slightly below GA and OB single target if you manage it well, with a big advantage on cleave fights. Making it the best Single Target makes it absurd for cleave and AoE.

And of course the worst possible outcome is we get balanced around BoS entirely, making other builds and/or fights where it is unusable a complete hell for us all.

Nah i dont think blizzard is gonna balanced the spec around BoS because since WoD the dev team nerfed a lot that skill but they are to lazy to get rid of it

Get the fuck out. Enough of your trolling.

Go to watch your lolis

[Akakishin]

Most locks and mages have the same thing going atm...Theyre not #1 so the complain, even if they're 2 and 3.

As Frost Im happy im like a 13th spec atm.

As someone that played warlock 4 xpacks I approve this thats how we got most of our buffs while we were just fine (sometimes right but mostly just qq)

[Stacie]

Keep on topic and be nice to each other please.

[Deleted]

unholy has been getting some great hotfixes to make it viable when played correctly with correct stats.

the changes so far in 7.1.5 are going to make uh near top.

[Lerden]

Ahahaha
No.