Trump just pissed off Beijing in a major way

[Bullettime]

and you have any proof that the crap you just spewed? That Trump was making businesses deals or that he acknowledged Taiwan as an official government?
At least when we made accusation against Clinton we had something to back it up with

I can link articles but you only believe them if it comes from Breitbart. You've admitted that in the past.

[Grym]

Taiwan has effective independence. They have their own administration. Their own passports. They're like the ~5th biggest economy in that region. They don't have China's internet controls.

The extent of China trying to take back Taiwan has, for many decades, consisted of saying 'Taiwan is part of China,' and not much else. The DPP thumbing their nose at China is simply a matter of national pride.

This was not needed. Most likely nothing the DPP does until the next election will be needed. Because Taiwan was doing just fine and is doing just fine, and the DPP is playing games with people's lives because they want to have their own identity. Which they already effectively have.

"Part of China" but no effective control yet. With more power, China will want to take control and ownership of Taiwan, somehow China is really keen on this "Country become one again" bullcrap, since taking back Hong Kong and Macau, and Taiwan and other small island around the area are their next target.

Which must not be allowed to happen.

[Vyxn]

Obama approves a billion dollar arms deal with Taiwan which China strongly opposed they threaten sanctions they claimed it was against international law
And none of you liberals had one fucking problem with

Trump accepts a phone call from Taiwan to congratulate him for his win which China basically blows off said it was a quote "small action"
and your heads explode you start foaming at the mouth like Trump was trying to start a war with China

Do you liberals realize how desperate and petty you have become

[Deleted]

Donald trump is bad xDDD

[Belize]

Obama approves a billion dollar arms deal with Taiwan which China strongly opposed they threaten sanctions they claimed it was against international law
And none of you liberals had one fucking problem with

Trump accepts a phone call from Taiwan to congratulate him for his win which China basically blows off said it was a quote "small action"
and your heads explode you start foaming at the mouth like Trump was trying to start a war with China

Do you liberals realize how desperate and petty you have become

Except China filed a formal complaint? So much for blowing it off.

[Deleted]

"Part of China" but no effective control yet. With more power, China will want to take control and ownership of Taiwan, somehow China is really keen on this "Country become one again" bullcrap, since taking back Hong Kong and Macau, and Taiwan and other small island around the area are their next target.

Which must not be allowed to happen.

must not be allowed to happen?

itll go like crimea if/when it happens. some sanctions to china at best but nothing real will come as a response.

[Semyaz]

Before his term is up we will be at war with Russia and China

[Garnier Fructis]

"Part of China" but no effective control yet. With more power, China will want to take control and ownership of Taiwan, somehow China is really keen on this "Country become one again" bullcrap, since taking back Hong Kong and Macau, and Taiwan and other small island around the area are their next target.

Which must not be allowed to happen.

It's not at all clear what taking back Taiwan would even entail. Most everyone officially recognizes Taiwan as part of China. Hong Kong and Macau retain their own governments, and Taiwan certainly does. You can already pass between mainland China and Taiwan without visas, and mainland businessman are able to conduct business in China.

For all intents and purposes, this is already how China has dealt with Hong Kong and Macau for well over a decade after taking back ownership. Under the 1992 agreement and the broader theory of 'one China, two systems', China effectively already has ownership of Taiwan.

The only real difference is that one of the parties seem intent on pushing independence rhetoric. Taiwan will never be able to declare itself a country in its own right, as that would provoke a conflict with China. A conflict that Taiwan could not possibly win. For anyone afraid of socialist rule in Taiwan, this is the quickest way to get there.

[Ragedaug]

Before his term is up we will be at war with Russia and China

Russia was fearing imminent war if Clinton got elected. I guess we all have to be afraid of something.

[Deleted]

And why the hell would you go to war with China?
Short of an invasion by the People's Republic of China the people wouldn't allow it.
So why would they?
Because China isn't a full democracy? Really, who cares?
With 1.3 billion people I can hardly blame them; see how fucked up these elections were with only 300 million US citizens.


I heard that if you say democratic three times in front of a mirror, the head of the electoral college will come and punch your face

Why would we go to war with China? Because they're trying to destroy the world order as we know it. They're competing with us to be the strongest economy, and the strongest military. They are trying to take control of trillions of dollars of FREE trade in the south and east China seas illegally. China actively works against US interests.
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Typically those are good reasons for countries to go to war. And are you kidding me? The people would support a war with China. People in the states hate China. And boo hoo. Fucked up elections my ass. Trump won fairly, get over it. Can't believe someone would actually make the argument that that would be a good reason to have an oppressive, tyrannical Government that rules over it's people with an iron fist.

[Quantzz]

It's just strange to me that people are spinning this as sticking up for Taiwan when the situation right now is pretty tense without this gaffe and this will just be used to justify even more draconian measures being taken against them. And of course Trump and his supporters profess non-intervention so Taiwan will be left to deal with it alone.

Good, it's about time everybody stopped standing on eggshells for those communist assholes, theres no way the USA will leave taiwan hanging when their leader actually has balls, if taiwan asks for help, USA will help them

[artemishunter1]

So in other words: They are growing to become the next leading superpower.
That is perfectly fine.
Source?
So? You guys elected Trump, the US population is actively working against their interests.

No, they are not.
Only those that believe it wouldn't cost them a thing, both financially and in lives lost.


Their main political party has 80 million people.
That are 80 million people deciding how the country should be ran.
With 1.3 billion citizens that's the best you're going to get.

a)Yes, and it is in our advantage to remain the only superpower. Since, I am American, it is in our advantage.
b)Actually, Trump is the ONLY person who is going to work for American Interest. Not in the interests of other nations.
c)They have ONLY one political party and ALL people have to be in that party. Their congress and law are figurative. True power are in hands of select few party leader, who are not democratic either. Its a whole Game of Throne system going on in party politics.

[Deleted]

b)Actually, Trump is the ONLY person who is going to work for American Interest. Not in the interests of other nations.

I really struggle to find words to describe the depth of your denial.

Let me blunt. Everyone hates the guy. He's a total cunt. Foreign diplomats are going through the motions because that's what they do. It is not that he's a conservative, foreign conservative hate him just as much as the left does, it is that he's repulsive and he's an idiot. I do not think the reputation of the US will recover in my lifetime. You already tested the patience of the world with Bush and Obama was hardly much of an improvement. This is the moment when people reallized that the US wasn't any longer a good country with some flaws: it is some between China and ISIS on the scale of human evil.

Now I know that in your country you are trying to make out like this is normal and the cunt you elected and his supporters deserves respect. No one else does. And you can't go to war with everyone, and you can't get anything done if no one likes, respects or fears you.

[Deleted]

So in other words: They are growing to become the next leading superpower.
That is perfectly fine.
Source?
So? You guys elected Trump, the US population is actively working against their interests.

No, they are not.
Only those that believe it wouldn't cost them a thing, both financially and in lives lost.


Their main political party has 80 million people.
That are 80 million people deciding how the country should be ran.
With 1.3 billion citizens that's the best you're going to get.

Oh, just realized you're not an American. I don't care what you think.

[Garnier Fructis]

You'd think the U.S would be more supportive of countries who want independence considering how the U.S was once part of the British Empire yet here they trying to stay out of trouble by not showing sympathy/empathy or whatever and instead officially recognise them as being part as China.

Not officially recognizing Taiwan as part of China would seriously jeopardize the tenuous peace and status quo that Taiwan and China have achieved over the last couple decades. Your notion of 'empathy/sympathy' has a nontrivial chance of starting a conflict and getting a bunch of people killed for nothing, mostly Taiwan people.

[Stormdash]

Spotted on twitter, and entirely worth contemplating -- here the press is freaking out because the President-Elect having spoken to another democratically elected leader might piss off a dictatorship.

[bewbew]

Not officially recognizing Taiwan as part of China would seriously jeopardize the tenuous peace and status quo that Taiwan and China have achieved over the last couple decades. Your notion of 'empathy/sympathy' has a nontrivial chance of starting a conflict and getting a bunch of people killed for nothing, mostly Taiwan people.

Taiwan wants to be it's sovereign nation. It's obvious they were willing to bet the risk of pissing off China by contacting USA as it's own country, and not as an extension of China.

Most countries in the world have spilled blood in order to be able to call themselves independent nations.

This is no different.

[Garnier Fructis]

Taiwan wants to be it's sovereign nation. It's obvious they were willing to bet the risk of pissing off China by contacting USA as it's own country, and not as an extension of China.

Most countries in the world have spilled blood in order to be able to call themselves independent nations.

This is no different.

The DPP* was willing to risk pissing of China.

Spilling blood in order to tell the world that you have what you already have is idiotic. Taiwan is autonomous and has been autonomous for a really long time. It is, quite literally, trading lives for pride. The DPP didn't win because they're pro-independence. They won because people were pissed off that the economy was not getting better for them under the KMT. It's the same reason we ended up with Trump.

Other countries tended to spill blood to gain actual autonomy. That's why this is different. Because it would be spilling blood for no good reason at all.

[Bullettime]

The DPP* was willing to risk pissing of China.

Spilling blood in order to tell the world that you have what you already have is idiotic. Taiwan is autonomous and has been autonomous for a really long time. It is, quite literally, trading lives for pride. The DPP didn't win because they're pro-independence. They won because people were pissed off that the economy was not getting better for them under the KMT. It's the same reason we ended up with Trump.

Other countries tended to spill blood to gain actual autonomy. That's why this is different. Because it would be spilling blood for no good reason at all.

Also any possible war is one they absolutely could not win without trying to drag in as many allies to their side as possible. It's big posturing and Trump fed it like a fool.

[Surfd]

Democratically elected leader calls democratically elected leader, reds get pissy. Trump can talk to whomever he wants. The United States does not answer to China.

Spoken like someone with absolutely no fucking idea how politics on a national / global scale works. Also, Trump isnt president yet, and he seems to be doing a damn good job of proving that he is completely unsuited for the job.

Here is a hint: Fuckups like this can and have lead to a lot of people ending up dead due to political muscle flexing turning into goddamned wars.