"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
It's the most generic storytelling. Come on, i was born in the night but it wasn't the last night. I mean, do you want him to spell it word by word ?
"Hah, now i will use this [Tear of Elune] that i stole from you 2 quests ago ! If you look closer you will see resemblance ! Now, in order to change its color i, xavius (in case you forgot my name) corrupted it by infusing it with my power ! As you may know, i am tied to nightmare which uses black and red as our main color scheme and as such this artifact is now red to resemble the corruption, that i xavius bestowed upon it ! Now, in a true spirit of ancient cliche of 'villain uses artifact of good to cause evil' i will use it to corrupt Ysera ! Do you want me to repeat any of what i just said ? If so press A"
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
Why?
There are plenty reasons to dislike Jaina, her hypocrisy being the main factor.
Jaina is many things. Consistent is not one of them.
OK, I dislike Kosak, but let's blame only when it's due. The main Horde wasn't unstoppable and their victories made sense. Iron Horde was the embodiment of "stoppable". Faction war already started in WotLK and it, together with other WotLK events, is the background for Cata war. And Kosak wasn't the lead in WotLK. Neutral factions were a thing prior to Cata too, including the WotLK with aforementioned faction conflict (hell, Ulduar cinematic covers that extensively). Non-Nathrezim demons already came back prior to Cata, let alone the statement about demons and Nether. And not sure what you mean about Orcs disappearing from the map, but armies appearing out of nowhere isn't Kosak-only thing either.
Except showing us the Tear being corrupted wouldn't be telling. It would be, iunno, showing.
From the top of my head, let's go with Jade Forest. What was less cohesive about that? If anything, the link between Nightmare, Xavius and the Legion is a bit sloppy.
And this is outright false. TBC was an odd one being a clusterfuck in this regard, but rest expansions make their first raids pretty justified. Even vanilla, despite it's general lack of polish in lore does.
Vanilla: the issue of Ragnaros and his forces spans multiple zones.
WotLK: Naxxramas' return was foreshadowed in vanilla already, then is mentioned extensively during DK starting zone, then covered in Dragonblight; Nexus war is covered in Borean Tundra with tidbits in other zones.
Cata: Twilight Highlands is a clear path to Bastion of Twilight; Uldum is clear path to Throne of the Four Winds; Blackwing Descent, while not covered as much in-game, is made obvious in the Cata cinematic.
MoP: Dread Wastes for Heart of Fear; Hear of Fear (with a bit of Vale of Eternal Blossoms) for Terrace of the Endless Spring; Kun-Lai summit for Mogu'shan Vaults.
WoD: Iron Horde and Ogre Empire alliance is mentioned in multiple zones.
This is fallacious reasoning. Lack of alternatives proposed does not invalidate criticism.
True, let's not insult retards by comparing Kosak to them :3 There's always a chance there are people with intellectual disability that are more competent at storytelling than him after all and equalizing Kosak's works with theirs would be rather demeaning to them.
We actually get the Tear before going into DHT. And there's no logical link between the Tear being our main objective in Val'sharah and it being the thing Xavius used to corrupt Ysera. Also, it's been said throughout the zone that Xavius has gotten stronger. Given that he overpowered Malfurion who previously was the one to stop him, combined with the fact that Ysera didn't even go against the Nightmare Lord prior to Legion does lend credibility to the idea that Xavius alone could have corrupted Ysera on his own.
Showing the Tear being corrupted doesn't require any explanation from Xavius whatsoever. Here, I found a way to emphasize it more without Xavius going corny supervillain mode. And @Jester Joe already explained how he thought we got the Tear. That being Elune making a new one when she saved Ysera's spirit while she wept for her. Which was the consensus for what happened during Beta actually.
While there's truth to what you're saying, Xelnath's example shows that people on top (well, he wasn't even top depending how you look at it) can have significant influence. And the idea of WoD is an overarching concept. Kosak may have not been responsible for every single detail, but the shitstain that is WoD lore is on him.
Let's see. Thrall: got the killing blow on Deathwing. Tirion: didn't get the killing blow on LK. Even the claim that he did the same as Tirion would be wrong, let alone that he did less. Not that Tirion's shenanigans were some kind of high point of lore, it's a shitty deus ex machina, quite literal one at that, but all he did was break out of an ice tomb and then break Frostmourne. Thrall on the other hand delivered the killing blow as has already been said, as well as much more than that:
Shattering - Thrall bonanza.
4.0 - introduction to Thrall - super duper Shaman extraordinaire.
Twilight of Aspects - introduction to World Shaman garbage, as well as Thrall substituting for the Earth Warder. Hell he was the main character of the book about fucking Aspects, where he is the one to teach them, including teaching Nozdormu what his goddamn charge is.
4.2 - Ragnaros approaches Thrall in the cinematic for no reason whatsoever when it's the Druids that have been his focus the entire 4.0. Then an entire questline dedicated to Thrall and how important he is. Culminating in everyone forgetting what they set out to do at the start of said questline to worship Thrall during his wedding with Aggra.
Charge of the Aspects - Thrall gets to lecture Deathing, because he still missed one Aspect after Twilight of Aspects. Other Aspects get so excited about how important and amazing Thrall is that if the story was any longer the natural progression of it would be a lengthy description of them cumming due to Thrall's glorious presence.
4.3 - Thrall's ascension into a fusion of Goku and Moses, where he's the Chosen One that can make Dragon Soul actually work against Deathwing. First he gets escorted to Wyrmrest so the Dragon Soul can be used against Deathwing. Deathwing, the one true master of the Dragon Soul, fully aware of its capabilities. Also aware of Thrall carrying it there and of the Aspects plan (to the point he predicted they'd use Focusing Iris for their purposes before Kalec even got the idea). But despite his knowledge Deathwing sends mooks at Thrall instead of obliterating him himself when Thrall can't do shit to him yet. Because of Thrall's plot armor.
Thanks to that Thrall get's to charge the Dragon Soul with his awesomeness then fires multiple blasts at Deathwing, which forced consequent Deathwing fights and his eventual demise. Then we get an "age of mortals" bullshit which not only is cliche but redundant for Warcraft, just so we can have a cinematic showing Aspects being depowered so that Thrall can look even more amazing in comparison, as well as Aspects being in even more awe of Thrall and his son Kal-el.
Compared to Tirion, who, other than the aforementioned bubbling out of ice block and breaking of a sword was involved in an idiotic tournament that made no sense and few questlines, most of which included him getting trashtalked and/or proven wrong by Darion and the Ebon Blade. Yeah, Tirion is so much worse than Cata Thrall.
Nah, Cata Thrall is a complete clusterfuck all on his own. Aggra is just a cherry on top of the shit cake.
Same reason why kilrogg grew second skull after drinking demon blood. Corruption changes things. I mean seriously its like watching lazy town and getting tricked by robbie rotten disguises. "I could never say that uncannily familiar looking pirate was robbie rotten all along !"
Come on, you know as well as I do we were all pretty much laughing at the 2nd skull, and knew there was absolutely no logic behind it.
Yes, corruption does change things, but it shouldn't make a key object into a generic looking crystal. It would be like if when Cenarius was corrupted he just became a deer, and they were like "No guys, really look, antlers! It's Cenarius."
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
I. Want. Chris. Metzen. Back.
Good riddance, that Orc hater.
"life achievements and accolades". Oh. You mean the thing that none of these so called "writers" have that are working on Blizzard's games (or most games for that matter)? I get that you're a pseudo-intellectual but you're starting to cross over to the "stupid" territory.
Infracted.
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Wait, wasn't Kosaak the one who made amazing stories for the forsaken in cata on the plus side... but made the night elves really crap too losing all their wonder? Although i must say having suramar and the nightborne really goes someway into restoring a sense of majesty and wonder to night elf kind, even though the circumstances are dire, the art is excpetional - if he's behind that, then he started making up for it in the end big time, cos story of the night elves suramar and their plight as nightborne is one of the most touching and powerful tales in wow to date, and for the first time paints the darker highborne kind in a light that both shows admirable qualities (Thalyssra & rebels) and the dspiecalbe ones (felsworn and loyalists) - that's the first night elf related/based story that hasn't stunk since WC3 - - so he can't be that bad.
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Good riddance. He fucked up the lore, losing all charm to it, and while I could hold other writers responsible for some of the screw ups, he was the guy in charge, the director almost, so he does get foremost blame for it.
Still, I don't hold out much hope anymore for good wow lore, its been run into the ground, and anyone coming on board with an idea of how to salvage it would need to have a bloody iron will to do so.
#boycottchina
you overestimate as fuck here, he did those things, but there is not like is a big damn deal, on the raid he just shoot the dragon soul on DW, with the power of the aspects and the earth not even him, also nothing wrong showing him as the most poweful shaman, and of course ragnaros should talk to him, shamans actually commune with the elements
still Tirion in my view was far worse, he just turn ssj break the ice and broken the dammit frostourme, who is DW when you can break the sword of the Lich king?
he also turn into ssj too when purified the ashbringer and just hit arthas, while thrall, meeh
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I think alex is now in charge of lore but i am not sure
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Employees don't achieve higher wage if they didn't at least show their employer something to justify that kind of pay. I work in the HR field for a very thriving business and we don't assign wages based on what we want to get out of employees; we do so based on what we expect to get out of them, which we usually base on factors that consist of (and not limited to) their achievements, or past experience, or provided accolades, or proof of creativity, or some or all of the aforementioned. The pay varies accordingly and is also affected by the amount of responsibility you are assigning the employee for. Now, whether or not that employee proved their worth to our business is an entirely different story, and something that comes to light later (in the case we are discussing, Kosak DID more harm than good in my opinion), but doesn't change the initial process of assigning wages. We, and any successful business, regardless of the capacity, would never base pay on a flimsy reason such as demanding a high pay to provide superb work.
And attempting to insult me achieves nothing. Not only you didn't even manage that, considering your opinion of me is worth as much as the dirt I brushed off my boots earlier this morning, but even if you succeeded, it doesn't anger me, it doesn't validate you, and it doesn't change the fact that you don't know how real life works.
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Unbelievable that I missed this gem. Well, not like I care either way. Kosak is little more than a mythical figure on which direct all the blame, much like Ghostcrawler was. He had his responsibilities indeed but he was far from being alone, yet he's the apparent responsible of all the evils in WoW's lore.
Which is also why him leaving changes pretty much nothing and I'm fairly sure that all the things I don't currently like about WoW's lore will remain there, Kosak or not Kosak.
I actually think now all the people leaving or being moved away from the WoW team after the return of Allen Adham is not a coincidence.