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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    If people want to learn it, then they are free to do so, nobody gives a shit, but we shouldn't be promoting it more than we promote a language that is actually useful outside of some little village where everybody has six fingers on each hand.

    We bend over backwards to accomodate non-native languages and it seems we've gone too far, to the point that some don't even feel the need to speak the language.
    Cornish is a native language though? At least as native as English and much older.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Cornish is a native language though? At least as native as English and much older.
    I was talking about the immigrants' languages there, e.g. all those leaflets in multiple languages.

    Obviously we don't get many Cornish immigrants and if people want to speak Cornish, then that should be a matter for Cornwall, not England as a whole, just as promotion of Welsh should be a Wales thing. I come from Kent, I wouldn't want the Government to start promoting people to speak Chav.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Cornish is a native language though? At least as native as English and much older.
    Not a very useful language though. Personally never met anyone that can speak it beyond a few words.

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    I agree we should be dragging some of these backwards and incompatible practices out into the light and promoting our own values. The main snag though is that to actually do it then we have to go all Orwellian. How do you stop immigrants marrying immigrants? You can't can you. How do you stop communities from sending their kids to their local school which by virtue of being where everyone else in that community sends their kids will end up being overwhelmingly made up of children of that ethnicity.

    The only way to stop communities from growing is to forcibly break them up and send them to different areas of the country where they would essentially be forced to integrate. Is that a realistic option? Should we be sending kids from ethnically dense areas to schools which are more (or less depending on your leanings) diverse?

    When we see things going on that are against British values we should challenge them, how you fix the underlying causes though are incredibly uncomfortable if not worse than the symptom itself.

    Push this narrative that there is something inherently wrong with being of Asian descent and cherishing your own culture then we do ISIS' work for them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josuke View Post
    Without those communities British people would still be eating fried bread, beans and sausages.
    Dude like.. what is your problem? I mean seriously. Are you okay? Do you need 20 bucks to pay for food? You are obsessed with white guilt and colonialism.

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    The good intentions of the Left doesn't lead to good outcomes.

    The moral high ground has proven to be a stupid, naive one.

    Multiculturalism simply does not work.

    The biggest problem the Western World faces is how to deport all of the incompatibles and prevent more from coming in.

    Let's not pretend anymore the problem is caused by the natives. It is clearly the immigrants who refuse to integrate that are the problem.
    If you aren't a Socialist by age 20, you have no heart. If you are still a Socialist by age 40, you have no head.
    The Left MUST appeal to the low paid white working class male if they want to regain ground. Rejecting them and castrating them in favour of a cheaper immigrant worker has backfired spectacularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peggleftw View Post
    Not a very useful language though. Personally never met anyone that can speak it beyond a few words.
    Is somethings value or right to exist based on a calculation of usefulness? Britain did sign a charter of minority language rights. The UK did sign onto the The European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    We need to get over this culture of calling people racist, and fear of being called racist, whenever problems of integration arise.
    Seems like clear evidence that these people don't know what the hell "racism" actually is. And this should be pointed out at every opportunity in an effort to break them of it. The fact is that there's literally nothing racist about taking issue with cultural or religious practices, as these are not race-specific factors.

    Immigration (the act of immigrating), by its very nature, is to assimilate into the host country. This is even more true for refugees/asylum-seekers as the host country is saving their ass(es). Host countries should be tolerant of said cultures, not submissive to them and the conditions of their immigration and integration should include as much. Ie, assimilate or get the fuck out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistame View Post
    Seems like clear evidence that these people don't know what the hell "racism" actually is. And this should be pointed out at every opportunity in an effort to break them of it. The fact is that there's literally nothing racist about taking issue with cultural or religious practices, as these are not race-specific factors.

    Immigration (the act of immigrating), by its very nature, is to assimilate into the host country. This is even more true for refugees/asylum-seekers as the host country is saving their ass(es). Host countries should be tolerant of said cultures, not submissive to them and the conditions of their immigration and integration should include as much. Ie, assimilate or get the fuck out.
    Racism accusations are just used to shut down debate, or to bring attention to an agenda someone wants to push, like BLM UK claiming climate change is racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistame View Post
    Seems like clear evidence that these people don't know what the hell "racism" actually is. And this should be pointed out at every opportunity in an effort to break them of it. The fact is that there's literally nothing racist about taking issue with cultural or religious practices, as these are not race-specific factors.

    Immigration (the act of immigrating), by its very nature, is to assimilate into the host country. This is even more true for refugees/asylum-seekers as the host country is saving their ass(es). Host countries should be tolerant of said cultures, not submissive to them and the conditions of their immigration and integration should include as much. Ie, assimilate or get the fuck out.
    What we are talking about here specifically is British people. They were born here but raised in communities where they are isolated from some of our basic values because of cultural or religious practices. The people in question have as much right to be here as me or Kalis or any other British poster, what we need to work out is how to get them to abandon values which conflict with modern Britain. Simply shipping them out is not actually a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    What we are talking about here specifically is British people. They were born here but raised in communities where they are isolated from some of our basic values because of cultural or religious practices. The people in question have as much right to be here as me or Kalis or any other British poster, what we need to work out is how to get them to abandon values which conflict with modern Britain. Simply shipping them out is not actually a solution.
    To be fair it the report does delve into how we should be dealing with immigration going forward, not just existing issues, so it is a bit of both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    To be fair it the report does delve into how we should be dealing with immigration going forward, not just existing issues, so it is a bit of both.
    I hope the report managed to come up with something better than an oath lol. If we actually want to fix these issues then we have to abandon some of the principles of an open and free society. We need to break up communities by moving people from them, remove the right for parents to send their children where they choose, make speaking English mandatory for citizenship, stop people from marrying who they choose and have communities spy on each other to report "non British" behaviour.

    That's what it would actually take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josuke View Post
    Appeasement?
    Ah yes, that age old argument that people who have no idea about history use to attempt to make the UK look bad.

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    The report shows

    5% of the population is Muslim and in some area's Muslim's think they are the majority i.e 70% in the U.K

    A lot of Pakistani people in Britain go to Pakistan to marry their close Kin, it is so bad that a previous report says that near 30% of children with disabilities come from the group.


    They treat women as 2nd class citizens.


    We have created a mini Pakistan in Britain. And they did this whilst people who knew there were problems were shouted down as racist...


    And that's not taking into account how other demographics have isolated themselves without integrating into the general population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meafy View Post
    The report shows

    5% of the population is Muslim and in some area's Muslim's think they are the majority i.e 70% in the U.K

    A lot of Pakistani people in Britain go to Pakistan to marry their close Kin, it is so bad that a previous report says that near 30% of children with disabilities come from the group.


    They treat women as 2nd class citizens.


    We have created a mini Pakistan in Britain. And they did this whilst people who knew there were problems were shouted down as racist...


    And that's not taking into account how other demographics have isolated themselves without integrating into the general population.
    So lets say that we hadn't been shouting people down with cries such as "racist!" for the past 10-20 years, what would be different right now?

    The report is only confirming long established trends such as that people tend to stay in/move to communities which are like them and that people take their local knowledge and extrapolate that to the rest of the world (if you spend most of your time seeing muslims then you will think that everywhere else is full of muslims) not to mention that this was amongst school children, not adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    So lets say that we hadn't been shouting people down with cries such as "racist!" for the past 10-20 years, what would be different right now?
    Maybe the issues suffered by multiculturalism wouldn't be so bad as now if the non racist people with criticism of it were listened to and no shouted down?
    Maybe we wouldn't have cultures like rotherham which were allowed to infest society and cause harm?Maybe extremists who preach hate and violence on mass scale wouldn't have been given sanctuary. We don't allow white people to advocate for the genocide of people why do we allow others to do it?

    Maybe we wouldn't have London or Manchester riddled with high youth crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    The report is only confirming long established trends such as that people tend to stay in/move to communities which are like them and that people take their local knowledge and extrapolate that to the rest of the world (if you spend most of your time seeing muslims then you will think that everywhere else is full of muslims) not to mention that this was amongst school children, not adults.
    Its the double standard that gets on my nerves. Western countries and their populations are held to standards by their elites which a lot other countries do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meafy View Post
    Maybe the issues suffered by multiculturalism wouldn't be so bad as now if the non racist people with criticism of it were listened to and no shouted down?
    What I was asking is how would things be different. So we hear this criticism earlier and give it legitimacy but what policies would have been implemented?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meafy View Post
    Maybe we wouldn't have cultures like rotherham which were allowed to infest society and cause harm?
    This is a good one, the Police not feeling like they couldn't investigate fully may have helped these young women and the Police could have ended it earlier. But there's also the possibility that the Police have cashed in on a brilliant excuse for not wanting to get involved in what was an extremely difficult issue for the Police to deal with. Vulnerable teenage girls get abused all the time and the Police have a shit record with it regardless of the ethnicities involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meafy View Post
    Maybe extremists who preach hate and violence on mass scale wouldn't have been given sanctuary. We don't allow white people to advocate for the genocide of people why do we allow others to do it?
    We don't let anyone preach hate in this country, regardless of skin colour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meafy View Post
    Maybe we wouldn't have London or Manchester riddled with high youth crime?
    See this is what I was hinting at, this isn't considered a problem now and wasn't then. So long as ethnic youths stick to killing each other on estates we are perfectly fine with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meafy View Post
    Its the double standard that gets on my nerves. Western countries and their populations are held to standards by their elites which a lot other countries do not.
    That's what makes us better than Saudi Arabia as a country, we hold ourselves to a higher standard. I said what the solutions to these problems were in the post above yours, the question is if we implemented the required solutions then what are we saving?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    What I was asking is how would things be different. So we hear this criticism earlier and give it legitimacy but what policies would have been implemented?

    Who knows? We shall see what this government does. But lets not kid ourselves into thinking that the silencing of people by making them fear the label racist for opinions that were valid has done anyone anywhere any good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    I hope the report managed to come up with something better than an oath lol. If we actually want to fix these issues then we have to abandon some of the principles of an open and free society. We need to break up communities by moving people from them, remove the right for parents to send their children where they choose, make speaking English mandatory for citizenship, stop people from marrying who they choose and have communities spy on each other to report "non British" behaviour.

    That's what it would actually take.

    So the price for a multicultural society to work is for the government to trample over people's rights? To in effect create a police state where the public actually does the policing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    We don't have barricades blocking them in, it is self segregation, which leads to ignorance.
    Like I said, there's more than forced segregation and self segregation. Limited access or poor economics can cause segregation just as easily. Its what happens in a lot of the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meafy View Post
    Who knows? We shall see what this government does. But lets not kid ourselves into thinking that the silencing of people by making them fear the label racist for opinions that were valid has done anyone anywhere any good.
    Never made that claim. It's made (to go all American) "The Left" intellectually lazy since they won the culture war which is not a good thing. I'm only concerned with where we are now so I consider hand wringing and yelling "I told you so!" to be utterly pointless.


    Quote Originally Posted by Meafy View Post
    So the price for a multicultural society to work is for the government to trample over people's rights? To in effect create a police state where the public actually does the policing?
    To stop people engaging in perfectly natural behaviour that has been documented for the past 50 years, yeah measures along these lines are what it's going to take. Traditionally we have looked to the Free Market to provide the answers, people would be encouraged to move to other towns in search of better job opportunities but since wages have flat lined, property being virtually unaffordable, and the decimation of unskilled labour then the Free Market isn't going to be solving these issues any time soon if it did at all in the past 50 years in the UK.

    One solution is to let nature run it's course and accept that Britain is going to be increasingly ethnic country now that the genie is out of the bottle (and has been since we first appealed to immigrants to rebuild Britain post WW2) and that the government needs to build more affordable housing but no one seems particularly interested in that.

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