Trump Puts His Foot Down, Says No to Boeing!

[Zan15]

lol who else is going to build it, last time i checked there were really only 2 and the other is European.

[Crispin]

The real purpose of this tweet, is for Trump to look like he is "getting to the bottom of things". I wonder how much his tweets will drive our daily discussions here, in public, and in the media. I foresee four years of trying to figure out how to apply the use of "totally" to constitutional law, etc.

Theese tweets sadly do hit home with ignorants who skim-reads it and goes "omg it's true!" and then ignores all other sources of information and begin to cook their own little theory in their confused brain, quite sure Trump isnt any better.

[Tijuana]

Theese tweets sadly do hit home with ignorants who skim-reads it and goes "omg it's true!" and then ignores all other sources of information and begin to cook their own little theory in their confused brain, quite sure Trump isnt any better.

How long until we start to realize the genius of Trump Tweets? A lot of people don't fact check. /shrug

[twiddler]

One-offs and prototypes for everything generally do cost 7x+ the price. I'm surprised so many of you are triggered by the cost.

[alexw]

All hail God Emperor Trump the saviour of the united states of America and all humanity, the bringer of light, the deporter of illegals, the wall builder, the creator of jobs, the deal maker and the best twitterer!

Rolf.

On a more serious note Trump is following the Putin playbook. Make showy meaningless gestures to drive popular support and distract from real issues. The low/uneducated love it, while the educated looking beyond the 1-liner headlines turn away in disgust. He did exactly the same thing with the carrier jobs issue too.

All that he needs to do now to cap it off is go topless horseback riding -

[PACOX]

Trump is salty that he isn't allowed to fly his own piece of junk.

He only started talking crap about the plane AFTER he sold he stock in Boeing.

I agree in that we should only build new planes (because it would be 2) if its cheaper to purchase new one in the long run than to retrofit the old ones.

But I doubt Trump has enough experience or enough intel to making decisions about the planes at this point.

[Gorgodeus]

That article only says that the Air Force earmarked $1.65 billion for the planes. It doesnt say thats the final price. The government never pays the initial cost for things. We ALWAYS get screwed by the contractors. Costs always soar, and projects are ALWAYS delayed. Hell, we were charged $60 million and several years just to wipe some damn dirt and mold off of the capitol dome

That was what was earmarked because that is the amount of that contract.

[Annoying]

Oh look, more patently false information spread by the president-elect. Color me surprised. He needs a fact checker for his twitter posts.

It's $170m over 8 years. That's $21.25m per year, or enough to pay something like 200 of Boeing's 175,000 employees for those 8 years. 200 employees whose job it is to ensure the next AFOne, which protects the person with the most dangerous job in the country, works properly. Seems reasonable.

[Orlong]

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...-air-force-one

Thats just the contract to figure what needs to be in it. From the article:

"We are currently under contract for $170 million to help determine the capabilities of these complex military aircraft that serves the unique requirements of the President of the United States," Boeing said in a statement.

Which is bullshit in and of itself. Im pretty sure the government should already KNOW what capabilities the aircraft should have. Likely the same capabilities the current model has. It shouldnt take more than a dozen engineers sitting in a room together for a month to figure it out.

[Celista]

Im so glad Trump is starting to reign in government costs, even before he takes office.

Yeah with that $1 million a day that taxpayers have to pay so that Trump can live in Trump Tower instead of the White House. *rolls eyes*

One day I hope you start thinking for yourself, instead of just parroting back whatever right-wing news source you consult on a daily basis.

[Yvaelle]

(a) President-elect Donald Trump does not have the authority to 'cancel' a contract. His tweet amounts to nothing until such time as he takes office in January.

(b) Air Force One is a highly-modified plane. The base model (747-8) may cost ~$350m USD, but lacks the shielding and other technologies that are present in Air Force One. These modifications cost money to develop, test, and install. Air Force One features that are not present in a stock model include (but are not exclusive to)

• Self-contained retractable stairway (rear and front)
• Multimedia (phone, video, other forms of audio, etc) for secure connections, including the ability to send and receive classified information from 10,000+ feet up
• Shielding to protect the aforementioned electronic devices from a Nuclear Blast (as well as protecting the President)
• An in-flight refueling connection making it possible for Air Force One to remain in-air indefinitely
• Classified technologies purported to allow for increased maneuverability and counter measures against attacks
• Electronic counter measures to jam enemy radar
• Anti-missle flare dispersal

And that's the 1970's version, safe to say the ones Boeing is being contracted to build are F35's with palatial bedrooms and press lounges built in.... wait... @Skroe, does the F35 come with a billiards room and an espresso machine? Maybe I'm rethinking Canada's decision on this

[minteK917]

Which is bullshit in and of itself. Im pretty sure the government should already KNOW what capabilities the aircraft should have. Likely the same capabilities the current model has. It shouldnt take more than a dozen engineers sitting in a room together for a month to figure it out.

Lmao what, your high school diploma its showing. Yes man it takes 12 engineers to test a full anti radiation shielding. Were do people come out with these jokes?

[taliey]

Oh boy standing up to aircraft manufacturers and Boeing of all companies, those are the people responsible for the increasing budget of the military industrial complex.

[Orlong]

So what your saying is...the cost should be regulated? It's called a free market man, make up your mind at some point. Or just keep up the Trump echo I suppose.

No. What Im saying is when the US government signs a contract for a project for X amount of dollars. Thats exactly what we should be paying and not a dime more. If the contractor says they will be able to do a job for a certain price, then its up to them to eat any losses incurred to them due to shoddy materials, incompetence, incorrect project planning or any other reason. and if they dont meet the time goals that they promised in the contract, they should lose a percentage of the contract for every month they are late. Nobody other than the government would sign a contract and then let the other party alter it any time they want to charge more or take more time.

A contract is exactly that. A promise to perform X action for X money, not to be broken

[Tijuana]

Doing a 170 million dollar project for free though? Must have went to Trump University.

That's adorable you think AF1 only costs 170 million.

[Orlong]

Yeah with that $1 million a day that taxpayers have to pay so that Trump can live in Trump Tower instead of the White House. *rolls eyes*

One day I hope you start thinking for yourself, instead of just parroting back whatever right-wing news source you consult on a daily basis.

He cant live in the White House until Obama moves out

[ranzino]

Shouldnt the leader of the free world have the best hardware?

So, boeing, go, and sell it to Angela Merkel.

Mutti Merkel uses Airbus for that.
And fyi: Airbus A380 was another choice in 2009 for the new AF-1. but as the manufacturer would have to disclosure every detail of the plane, Airbus decided to drop out of competition.

Could you imagine Trump in an european plane ? Bwahahhahaha

[Garnier Fructis]

Thats just the contract to figure what needs to be in it. From the article:



Which is bullshit in and of itself. Im pretty sure the government should already KNOW what capabilities the aircraft should have. Likely the same capabilities the current model has. It shouldnt take more than a dozen engineers sitting in a room together for a month to figure it out.

Considering how in general people have fanciful ideas of how to build things, which don't actually conform to engineering reality, I'm inclined to think it's not trivial to balance what can be engineered with what the government wants.

And we had someone weigh in on the first page about this, with the punchline being that it's a pain to tell the government that something can't be done the way they want it done.

[Orlong]

Lmao what, your high school diploma its showing. Yes man it takes 12 engineers to test a full anti radiation shielding. Were do people come out with these jokes?

It didnt say anything about testing. It simply says the contract is to determine what capabilities the aircraft should have not how to make it work or what needs to be done to make it work

[Vargur]

anything Trump makes the world laugh

I laugh at his Donald name alone. Even if the electors pick him, he'll never be a real president.