I said it from the start, now there's proof - Bastion is a female.

[ChaosWolf]

http://www.12up.com/posts/4203923-ba...rl?a_aid=41328

Can't argue with the voice lines.

[Shahad]

It's a robot. Male and female make no sense at all for a robot, since they do not possess reproductive organs.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

its a robot of course its not female......

[roflwaffle]

it's a robot

[Deleted]

Is it a huge deal like? boy or girl?

well, its a robot to start with :S

[ChaosWolf]

It's a robot. Male and female make no sense at all for a robot, since they do not possess reproductive organs.

Sex is anatomical, gender is mental.

its a robot of course its not female......

Zenyatta is a robot, and has an identifying gender of "male", so why can't Bastion be female in the same manner?


Besides, the voicelines make it canon, whether you like it or not.

[Crowey]

Sex is anatomical, gender is mental.



Zenyatta is a robot, and has an identifying gender of "male", so why can't Bastion be female in the same manner?


Besides, the voicelines make it canon, whether you like it or not.

Guys, my toaster burned the words "Cis Scum" into my toast, have I made a mistake?

[Pantelija]

Sex is anatomical, gender is mental.

What?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Sex is anatomical, gender is mental.



Zenyatta is a robot, and has an identifying gender of "male", so why can't Bastion be female in the same manner?


Besides, the voicelines make it canon, whether you like it or not.

ya i don't care if a robot says there male or female there not that's a fact.

[Tyrgannus]

What?

That's the new definition people are going off of. Too me it focuses entirely too much on what men and women are supposed to be like which is hilarious and ironic seeing as it is most often used by people that combat traditional gender roles...by constantly referencing them...

If gender is identification than gender is meaningless. I identify as me. In regards to Bastion, Bastion is a robot with programming. Like Data in Star Trek, that programming gives it personality characteristics and, yes, self identification. Data is not male. Bastion is not female. They are both robots. However, they both speak and act from that perspective.

[ChaosWolf]

What?

Exactly what I said.

Gender is an aspect of one's personality and psychological identity - it's mental. Sex is an aspect of one's biology and anatomical structure - it's physical.

People arguing that Bastion can't be female because she lacks humanlike sexual parts are as absurd as if they were to suggest Zenyatta wasn't male because he had no robotic dick.

Zenyatta is male, Bastion is female. They may not be physically, but they clearly are mentally. Not hard to puzzle out. Just because Bastion doesn't look like a Hajime Sorayama pinup, or even just Arcee from Transformers, doesn't mean she can't be a she.

Strange how people are so easily able to accept a fictional entity identifying as male - for example, nobody questions that Optimus Prime is one - but if you say they're female, you are either thoroughly disbelieved or asked for huge amounts of proof if the entity doesn't strongly resemble a human woman...

[Pantelija]

That's the new definition people are going off of. Too me it focuses entirely too much on what men and women are supposed to be like which is hilarious and ironic seeing as it is most often used by people that combat traditional gender roles...by constantly referencing them...

If gender is identification than gender is meaningless. I identify as me. In regards to Bastion, Bastion is a robot with programming. Like Data in Star Trek, that programming gives it personality characteristics and, yes, self identification. Data is not male. Bastion is not female. They are both robots. However, they both speak and act from that perspective.

I can only wonder in horror what new genders we are gona get in 2017

[Jotaux]

Strange how people are so easily able to accept a fictional entity as male - for example, nobody questions that Optimus Prime is a male - but if you say they're female, you are either thoroughly disbelieved or asked for huge amounts of proof if the entity doesn't strongly resemble a human female...

Nobody makes a thread about Optimus Prime being male either. In this case the noun robot is feminine in arabic. You should really be mindful about other cultures.

[Tyrgannus]

I can only wonder in horror what new genders we are gona get in 2017

While I recognize the attack helicopter is a prevalent internet joke, it was made for a reason. There are tens of thousands of individual aspects that make up who I am. I, however, do not identify as tall. Or Irish. Or an insomniac. Or somewhat reserved. Or a visitor to Amsterdam.

Cherry picking certain aspects of what you currently are is just that, cherry picking. Then calling it a gender is laughable, but I digress. This thread is originally about Bastion, not identity politics. For robots like Bastion, it comes down to programming. Simple as that.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Exactly what I said.

Gender is an aspect of one's personality and psychological identity - it's mental. Sex is an aspect of one's biology and anatomical structure - it's physical.

People arguing that Bastion can't be female because she lacks humanlike sexual parts are as absurd as if they were to suggest Zenyatta wasn't male because he had no robotic dick.

Zenyatta is male, Bastion is female. They may not be physically, but they clearly are mentally. Not hard to puzzle out. Just because Bastion doesn't look like a Hajime Sorayama pinup, or even just Arcee from Transformers, doesn't mean she can't be a she.

Strange how people are so easily able to accept a fictional entity identifying as male - for example, nobody questions that Optimus Prime is one - but if you say they're female, you are either thoroughly disbelieved or asked for huge amounts of proof if the entity doesn't strongly resemble a human woman...

bastion is a robot thats the only reason its not a female

[t1saif]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/c...st_how_arabic/

[Shahad]

Sex is anatomical, gender is mental.

Last time I checked, male and female were words that referred to sex and not gender. If they refer to gender now, then we're running out of words to refer specifically to sex.

[zephid]

http://www.12up.com/posts/4203923-ba...rl?a_aid=41328

Can't argue with the voice lines.

"Bastion is not a girl, it's just how Arabic Language treats non human nouns"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/c...st_how_arabic/

[Deleted]

Wait, people think Bastion is a girl because Ana is using a feminine phrase against it? Isn't that sexist? Can't girls be masculine and boys be feminine? I swear people don't even know what they argue for any more... Bastion is a robot, as such it has neither sex nor gender.

[Deleted]

http://www.12up.com/posts/4203923-ba...rl?a_aid=41328

Can't argue with the voice lines.

You can by the fact that arabic refers to "non human" objects as feminine. You're still wrong