Denmark Doctors Call to Ban Circumcision For Boys Under 18

[Deleted]

Have you tried tying it around your waist?

I usually sling it over my shoulder but it always keeps coming undone.

[jdbond592]

Circumcision has no real negative impacts, but a whole lot of positive ones. It should be done right after birth unless the parents choose to not want it done.

What a backwards policy they're trying to implement there, ethics committee my ass.

American right has so much in common with Muslims. No wonder they hate each other so much.

Brilliant as usual.

[Protean]

How stupid, doing it as an adult can put men at risk of nerve damage even worse than those in infants.

How do you find out how bad nerve damage infants experience when you don't have datapoint from before?

[LaserChild9]

How stupid, doing it as an adult can put men at risk of nerve damage even worse than those in infants.

But then that's their choice to make. The only reason this should ever be performed is if it is needed due to a medical condition.

[Magicpot]

The biggest reason that I can think of about why drugs should not be allowed is that a lot of drugs alter your mind, your state of being and can seriously affect your perception of your actions and what people around you are doing. In short, drugs can easily lead to things like:

child abuse (sexual, physical, emotional, starvation, lack of care)
murder
vehicular accidents.

So...no. Circumcision affects only the person getting it. Drug use affects everyone around you.

You could make the case against drugs that are known to do that a lot (like meth, heroine, crocodil, etc).

But stuff like opiates and weed don't do that. If you're concerned about violence / abuse tendencies, you should be campaigning for alcohol to be banned, because alcohol is sort of the main culprit in making people really violent next to crystal meth.

[Doctor Funkenstein]

You usually watch porn with flaccid penises then? Odd kink you have.

Nope.

The fact that you think a foreskin is only apparently on a flaccid penis says more about your ignorance than it does anyone else's.

[Berengil]

Let the person decide when they are old enough to do so. My position is consistent.

I can't disagree with this. I was circumsized at birth. Just like FGM, I think it should be illegal. Just teach an under-18 boy how to properly clean himself, and he can make the decision when he's 18.

"But but mah religion" isn't an argument for non-lifesaving surgery on someone who can't consent. Screw fairy tales when making public health decisions.

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Superstitious ritual mutilation of children should never be a parental right.

this too, 100% agree

[Dug]

Sounds good to me. Parents shouldn't be able to make the decision to mutilate their child's body. Health wise they're both the same so long as you teach proper hygiene to your children.

[JohnBrown1917]

No, I'd consider removing the clitoris to be different from removing the foreskin, sorry.



Circumcision is far more prevalent in Europe than female genital mutilation. Jewish communities are quite established there and have been for centuries. I doubt any threat of law would do much to stop them from practicing their religious traditions. People tried that in the past with far more severe punishments than simple incarceration or whatever punishment they decide will be fit. Again, it's immaterial if you think it's a credible reason or not.

'They will do it anyway' has never been a good reason to not ban it. A lot of things that are banned here have been going on for thousands of years. Same goes for FGM, and that is already banned in most of the western world.

[Logwyn]

Of this Top 100, I could only see two American cars on there, Germans have quite a few more, it is dominated by the Japs though.

I counted 11.... But shoot you could argue that much of them are made else were and not all MADE in America. But you could say that about much of the other cars too.

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I can't disagree with this. I was circumsized at birth. Just like FGM, I think it should be illegal. Just teach an under-18 boy how to properly clean himself, and he can make the decision when he's 18.

"But but mah religion" isn't an argument for non-lifesaving surgery on someone who can't consent. Screw fairy tales when making public health decisions.

So we should wait and do Cleft lip/palate repair until 18? Not fix Syndactyly / Polydactyly until after 18? Not use surgery on Positional Plagiocephaly if needed? Or Craniosynostosis?

I guess we shall let the microtia babies run around too. Hearing isn't needed to live before 18. We'll let tongue-tied babies deal with it till their 18 too?

I can come up with a few more non-lifesaving surgeries if you want that are traditionally done in infants.

[Chrysia]

So we should wait and do Cleft lip/palate repair until 18? Not fix Syndactyly / Polydactyly until after 18? Not use surgery on Positional Plagiocephaly if needed? Or Craniosynostosis?

I guess we shall let the microtia babies run around too. Hearing isn't needed to live before 18. We'll let tongue-tied babies deal with it till their 18 too?

I can come up with a few more non-lifesaving surgeries if you want that are traditionally done in infants.

Almost none of the complications involved with foreskin are evident at birth.

[Berengil]

So we should wait and do Cleft lip/palate repair until 18? Not fix Syndactyly / Polydactyly until after 18? Not use surgery on Positional Plagiocephaly if needed? Or Craniosynostosis?

I guess we shall let the microtia babies run around too. Hearing isn't needed to live before 18. We'll let tongue-tied babies deal with it till their 18 too?

I can come up with a few more non-lifesaving surgeries if you want that are traditionally done in infants.

False equivalency ftw, amirite?

[Mistame]

I am not convinced that mutilating your child should be a parental right. Letting the person decide when they are old enough seems fine to me, it isn't banning the practice outright.

This pretty much covers it.

Which is far right assuming you are american.

Considering that the spectrum is relative to the region, your point is irrelevant.

The power of american culture?

You really need new material, kid.

[JohnBrown1917]

You really need new material, kid.

Why bother when its so easy?

[Darsithis]

So we should wait and do Cleft lip/palate repair until 18? Not fix Syndactyly / Polydactyly until after 18? Not use surgery on Positional Plagiocephaly if needed? Or Craniosynostosis?

I guess we shall let the microtia babies run around too. Hearing isn't needed to live before 18. We'll let tongue-tied babies deal with it till their 18 too?

I can come up with a few more non-lifesaving surgeries if you want that are traditionally done in infants.

Obviously medical exceptions are a different story.

[Tennis]

“To be circumcised should be an informed, personal choice."

That is my stance on this issue.

Have you any either how painful it is to have it done at 18?

[Darsithis]

Have you any either how painful it is to have it done at 18?

It's not painful at all. I was circumcised 5 months ago at 33. I didn't take any medications. Aside from a little pain from nightly erections, I had virtually no pain. Initial recovery took a few weeks of careful bandaging, cleaning, and ease when walking, but I was working the next Monday without a problem.

[Tennis]

Mandating secular parenting wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Religious indoctrination of any kind is child abuse after all, and pretty severe one at that.

This will not happen. Freedom of religion exists in the constitution for a reason.

[Masark]

Why did you get it at 33?

Presumably phimosis that did not respond to other treatments.

[Deleted]

So we should wait and do Cleft lip/palate repair until 18? Not fix Syndactyly / Polydactyly until after 18? Not use surgery on Positional Plagiocephaly if needed? Or Craniosynostosis?

If it risks permanent harm with no positives, yes.

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Have you any either how painful it is to have it done at 18?

I hear that most female genital mutilation is done on pre-pubescent girls, that seems horribly painful.
Lets do it to them when they are infants instead.