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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Finally after nearly a decade of
    1. Draconian regulations on coal production
    2. Vehicle emissions which reduce the power in our cars and force us to drive lightweight garbage
    3. Overstepping people's rights to harvest rainwater
    4. Forcing people with ponds on their land to spend lots of money maintaining them and forbidding use of the water
    5. Banning products that work and forcing us to use inferior and more expensive replacements
    6. Severely restricting the ability of US companies to extract natural gas and oil, and banning drilling in nearly every body of water around the US
    7. Kowtowing to Environmentalist Nazis and Tree Huggers
    8. Blocking every pipeline planned for transport of oil (Keystone XL, Dakotas Pipeline, etc..)

    We will FINALLY have an EPA Chief with common sense and a willingness to let people have a better standard of living. President Trump has nominated former OK Attorney General Scott Pruitt for the position.



    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/us...epa-trump.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/wo...elhi-smog.html

    OP needs to go live in Delhi, India or Beijing, China. There he can have all the coal he wants. But even they are trying desperately to get rid of coal and they certainly don't drive around in hummers. Stop trying to go backwards. The future is coming whether you like it or not. No amount of deniers no matter what government position they get into will stop it. The only thing they may manage to do is destroy our economy by failing to prepare for the future: the future is incredibly expensive oil!

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...g-fossil-fuels

    Fossil fuels will only go up in price where as this is what the price of solar is doing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    We will FINALLY have an EPA Chief with common sense and a willingness to let people have a better standard of living. President Trump has nominated former OK Attorney General Scott Pruitt for the position.
    Uh sure I guess if you aren't concerned about the future generations then sure Let's burn this whole mother fucker down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurinaux View Post
    Oil and coal companies are currently going bankrupt because prices are too low. Increasing the supply even still will ensure their demise.

    You need to either restrict the supply or increase the demand, both of which would likely require a government regulation of some sort. Unfortunately you don't believe in regulations, even as a climate change denier, so instead of using the government as a tool to improve your agenda you continue down a path that will only do harm to it.
    Their prices are also dropping because the price of renewable energy sources has passed the parity point where they cost just as much as oil and gas (which are more efficient than coal) and are starting to become cheaper. So forcing us to use coal, oil and gas also goes against free market principles.
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  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Pratt View Post
    9. Ensuring the planet is habitable for our great great grandchildren.
    Liberal Chicken little bullshit at its finest. Bummer we didnt elect Hillary so our children could inherit the huge fucking debt Obama created.
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    I feel bad for all those 'protesters' at the Trump rally, it's like the real life equivalent of making a 40 man raid in WoW and not having the boss spawn, thereby denying them a chance at looting.
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    That's a nonsense argument that ignores what words mean.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSnow View Post
    I've never understood the obsession of some republicans in denying climate change or refusing to tackle it. Reminds of the anti-vaxxers and Wifi is dangerous nutjobs of the far left. But far more mainstream.
    It's not that hard to understand. It's about the money.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Luxxor View Post
    Liberal Chicken little bullshit at its finest. Bummer we didnt elect Hillary so our children could inherit the huge fucking debt Obama created.
    If you care about debt you should be panicking right now.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSnow View Post
    I've never understood the obsession of some republicans in denying climate change or refusing to tackle it. Reminds of the anti-vaxxers and Wifi is dangerous nutjobs of the far left. But far more mainstream.
    Some are simply paid off by the industry, some are literally creationist lunatics who are barely saner than Flat Earthers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    If you care about debt you should be panicking right now.
    He doesn't. Nor does he understand it. He just heard on Faux debt=Obama=bad.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Some are simply paid off by the industry, some are literally creationist lunatics who are barely saner than Flat Earthers.
    Its mostly contrarianism I suspect. Liberals want to do something so they have to oppose it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luxxor View Post
    Liberal Chicken little bullshit at its finest. Bummer we didnt elect Hillary so our children could inherit the huge fucking debt Obama created.
    Our deficit was headed for a surplus under Obama, after starting at absolutely horrible numbers when he entered office. He's honestly done miracles with the deficit, but conservatives continue to cry about the debt, claiming it's the only important number, because the deficit heading in the right direction destroys their narrative.

    Can't wait for Trumponomics. It'll be Bushonomicsx10, spend spend spend spend spend, reduce taxes. Gee, I wonder what happens when you spend more money and make less. Oh well we can elect a Democrat to blame the fallout of Trump's failures on. All's good.
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    Nice to see the boosters still out there to tell us how everything is great while not understanding the irony of the italics.
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  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Finally after nearly a decade of
    1. Draconian regulations on coal production
    2. Vehicle emissions which reduce the power in our cars and force us to drive lightweight garbage
    3. Overstepping people's rights to harvest rainwater
    4. Forcing people with ponds on their land to spend lots of money maintaining them and forbidding use of the water
    5. Banning products that work and forcing us to use inferior and more expensive replacements
    6. Severely restricting the ability of US companies to extract natural gas and oil, and banning drilling in nearly every body of water around the US
    7. Kowtowing to Environmentalist Nazis and Tree Huggers
    8. Blocking every pipeline planned for transport of oil (Keystone XL, Dakotas Pipeline, etc..)
    1&2 You simply hate breathing.
    3&4 You love droughts, mosquitoes and the illnesses they cary.
    5 You love cancer.
    6 You hate fish and livable coasts.
    7 Wut?
    8 Wut 2? http://phmsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/PHM...elines_Map.jpg

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Here you go. Its even from a liberal source. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1784378.html
    Did you even read the article? The EPA is not at fault. Local government is at fault. Barely.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Luxxor View Post
    Liberal Chicken little bullshit at its finest. Bummer we didnt elect Hillary so our children could inherit the huge fucking debt Obama created.
    National debt is only really terrifying to complete idiots who don't know anything about it.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Trump appoints [Person who opposes thing] to [thing]
    After all, he appointed a person who adamantly opposed Presidents who lost the popular vote to the position of President who lost the popular vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luxxor View Post
    Liberal Chicken little bullshit at its finest. Bummer we didnt elect Hillary so our children could inherit the huge fucking debt Obama created.
    You mean the debt Bush created out of Clinton's historic surplus, plus the debt required to bail the country out of the GFC created by years of deregulation of the finance industry?

    But I can't wait to see Trump's plan to reduce the debt. Without borrowing. Popcorn at the ready.

    Maybe he'll add it to Mexico's tab.
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    Yeah, fuck the environment! Screw the ecosystem! Who gives a shit about planning for a future where our oil supplies run down? If the temperature does rise, we'll just throw more summer parties! ALL HAIL TRUMP!

    /s

    I'm still pretty sure Orlong comes from an alternate universe where the stuff he says makes sense.

  16. #76
    Fuck the planet! God gave it to us to be exploited. Praise Jebus!!!

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Thage View Post
    Point conceded, that's dumb. My other points remain, as does part two of that point--good luck finding drinkable acid rain from all the pollution once environmental regulations are rolled back. It's because we cap emissions from vehicles and plants that the air in America's as clean as it is--and that's not even all that great to begin with, especially in metropolitan areas or areas with a heavy manufacturing economy. There's a reason I referenced Beijing twice. Chinese environmental regulations are lax on a good day, and Beijing's pollution is so bad people have to wear masks to breathe outdoors.
    First, this is an extreme case. He built his own dams (10- to 20-foot tall) and three reservoirs with capacity up to 13 million gallons. That is bigger than some of the reservoirs which belong to some of the smaller water districts in east county. These reservoirs are permitted by the Bureau of Dam, Army Corp of Engineers and Regional Water Control Quality Board. I doubt this guy's dams and reservoirs are permitted.

    Second, the EPA is not stopping him. He is fighting the Oregon's Water Resources Department. In short, he is fighting the State of Oregon. The EPA is not involved.

    Third, I have my own rain harvesting system with two 1,500-gallon underground cisterns, and nobody said anything.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Our deficit was headed for a surplus under Obama, after starting at absolutely horrible numbers when he entered office. He's honestly done miracles with the deficit, but conservatives continue to cry about the debt, claiming it's the only important number, because the deficit heading in the right direction destroys their narrative.

    Can't wait for Trumponomics. It'll be Bushonomicsx10, spend spend spend spend spend, reduce taxes. Gee, I wonder what happens when you spend more money and make less. Oh well we can elect a Democrat to blame the fallout of Trump's failures on. All's good.
    I agree the deficit is important. But its important not to downplay the national debt either. I think most people don't realize that there are interest payments on the national debt. They just think it's a number that sits there and will someday need to be payed off. When in reality we're paying it right now. "In 2015, the U.S. spent $223 billion, or 6 percent of the federal budget, paying for interest on the debt."

    "Largely due to the Federal Reserve's aggressive efforts to keep interest rates low, the U.S. government is paying historically low rates on its debt. In fiscal 2013, according to the Treasury Department, the average interest rate on the public debt was 2.43%."

    This is a house of cards. And anyone in charge of this system needs a deep understanding of it. Just like the environment. There are no simple solutions and this could be our downfall. If it was easy it would have been fixed long ago by the last guy who promised to fix everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    Fixed for you.
    He wrote it that way because the list was a list of things that were making sure our great great grandchildren had a world to live on... so his comment was correct, the correction doesn't make sense, though of course people will get what you're going for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Finally after nearly a decade of
    1. Draconian regulations on coal production
    2. Vehicle emissions which reduce the power in our cars and force us to drive lightweight garbage
    3. Overstepping people's rights to harvest rainwater
    4. Forcing people with ponds on their land to spend lots of money maintaining them and forbidding use of the water
    5. Banning products that work and forcing us to use inferior and more expensive replacements
    6. Severely restricting the ability of US companies to extract natural gas and oil, and banning drilling in nearly every body of water around the US
    7. Kowtowing to Environmentalist Nazis and Tree Huggers
    8. Blocking every pipeline planned for transport of oil (Keystone XL, Dakotas Pipeline, etc..)

    We will FINALLY have an EPA Chief with common sense and a willingness to let people have a better standard of living. President Trump has nominated former OK Attorney General Scott Pruitt for the position.



    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/us...epa-trump.html


    Translation all the good things we need to do will go out the window when we get a fossil fuel idiot in there, the total denial of science from these clowns is just disgusting and really if you fall for that denial nonsense you deserve every bad thing that happens to the country

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