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  1. #621
    Quote Originally Posted by BannedForViews View Post
    Youre right. You got to decide if that guy put his dick in you, and again if he came in you, and if you used borth control or not. You had plenty of decisions.
    "You had enough decisions, so now I get to make the rest for you!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    Already do~
    Better start being extra careful from now on to avoid unwanted pregnancies!
    Congratulations, you've won the ability to be an authoritarian lunatic for a short time before the courts overturn this and push you back the fuck ou of other people's lives.
    "stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
    -ynnady

  2. #622
    Quote Originally Posted by Bullettime View Post
    Errr you do know that the US has terrible abortion laws right which is why people don't adopt much in country and why we have a huge overflow of kids in adoption programs?
    Completely false. We have extremely strict adoption laws which makes it very difficult to get children out of the adoption program. We have plenty of people willing to adopt. The reason they do so from china or african nations is because it is a lot easier to acquire those children. It can take years to get a child in the US.

  3. #623
    Quote Originally Posted by Thresh1 View Post
    Why do you have to get all sexist about it? Many women agree. Arguments and ideals don't have a gender.
    Because you started by wanting to oppress one gender, and one alone. Like conservatist men have done for millenia; treat women like their property and servants.

    Now you again want to remove rights of self-determination from women, but none from men. What next? Voting rights? Right to walk outside without male escort?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

    Last edited by Thwart; Today at 05:21 PM. Reason: Infracted for flaming
    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  4. #624
    Quote Originally Posted by Symphonic View Post
    I admire those who accept foster children into their home and get attached to them. But there is something to be said for couples who want to have a baby and get to actually raise the child from birth. They want to raise children. I don't fault them for wanting that. I also don't blame them for not adopting someone who is in foster care who could have mental and emotional issues. That could prevent them from adopting again, and it's not to blame the children in foster care, they need to be well taken care of, but giving more people the opportunity to raise a child from birth is amazing.

    My mom was adopted, her sister and brother were adopted, my brother has adopted two of his children away to a family that is amazing. Adoption has been a good thing in our family, and my wife and I are planning to adopt children in the future, even though we've had two of our own.
    Nothing you said addresses the point. You said people should just use the adoption system. It was pointed out that this system is already overburdened, and all you did was respond with "adoption rocks"
    "stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
    -ynnady

  5. #625
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    Congratulations, you've won the ability to be an authoritarian lunatic for a short time before the courts overturn this and push you back the fuck ou of other people's lives.
    If that's the case, why the out-roar and all the doom-sayers crying all out?

  6. #626
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    You know we currently have a huge crisis of unwanted children, right? Foster care is overflowing.
    It's a lot harder to find parents for foster children when they're not babies, because of the other issues that it could cause. Many come from broken homes, have been abused, and if you have small children already, and choose to bring one into your home, you're taking a risk. I'm not blaming the child, I feel bad for children who have been abused, but you can't discount the risks it could cause your family.

    Does that mean they don't matter? No, they need to be taken care of, they need to be loved, so they can overcome the issues they face.

    You can't use that as an excuse to abort babies because there are too many in the system already. Adoption is ideal when it happens AT BIRTH. Many couples are even willing to pay for hospital costs and everything just to have your baby. So don't discount them either, simply because you don't think your baby matters.
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  7. #627
    Quote Originally Posted by HomeHoney View Post
    i get to decide what lives inside me, no one else
    That's a horrible thing to say. You get to kill other humans without reason?

    So you think that someone killing a 9 1/2 month baby just before it is born is OK because "they get to decide"? That's where your chain of reasoning leads and that is clearly despicable.
    Humans are instrinsically valuable by virtue of the kind of thing that we are, a human. We are not valuable because of our size, our stage of development, our degree of dependency, our location, or a function we can immediately perform.

  8. #628
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    "You had enough decisions, so now I get to make the rest for you!"

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    Congratulations, you've won the ability to be an authoritarian lunatic for a short time before the courts overturn this and push you back the fuck ou of other people's lives.
    Oh you so clever! Piss on a stick sooner and find out if youre pregnant, or go to a different state for your abortion. You liberals think these things should be on every corner like gas stations, and open just as often. You completepy ignore that there is a living thing inside you that also might have rights.

  9. #629
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    If that's the case, why the out-roar and all the doom-sayers crying all out?
    Because while this gets litigated, some women will suffer under your authoritarianism. Your inability to worry about yourself instead of other people doesn't make it alright.
    "stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
    -ynnady

  10. #630
    Quote Originally Posted by Linadra View Post
    Now you again want to remove rights of self-determination from women, but none from men. What next? Voting rights? Right to walk outside without male escort?
    I'll say it, men who don't want to have babies should get snipped. There you go.
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  11. #631
    Quote Originally Posted by Thresh1 View Post
    That's a horrible thing to say. You get to kill other humans without reason?

    So you think that someone killing a 9 1/2 month baby just before it is born is OK because "they get to decide"? That's where your chain of reasoning leads and that is clearly despicable.
    if ANY human tries to live inside me that I DONT WANT to live inside me, yes, I will abort it

    if YOU force me to let it live inside me, YOU get to deal with it once its out of me, i did not want it, so YOU take it

  12. #632
    Quote Originally Posted by BannedForViews View Post
    Oh you so clever! Piss on a stick sooner and find out if youre pregnant, or go to a different state for your abortion. You liberals think these things should be on every corner like gas stations, and open just as often. You completepy ignore that there is a living thing inside you that also might have rights.
    Even if it has rights, that right doesn't include living in someone else's body without their consent. I can't take your kidney because I need it more than you. Mind your own fucking business and get out of other people's lives.
    "stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
    -ynnady

  13. #633
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    Because while this gets litigated, some women will suffer under your authoritarianism. Your inability to worry about yourself instead of other people doesn't make it alright.
    How is the possibility of something occurring turn this into an authoritarian issue? You do realize abortion would still be legal right? Call it compromise.

    Quote Originally Posted by HomeHoney View Post
    if ANY human tries to live inside me that I DONT WANT to live inside me, yes, I will abort it

    if YOU force me to let it live inside me, YOU get to deal with it once its out of me, i did not want it, so YOU take it
    Go for it. You got the the six weeks time frame to do it. Aren't you glad?
    Last edited by Darkeon; 2016-12-08 at 05:44 PM.

  14. #634
    Quote Originally Posted by Symphonic View Post
    I'll say it, men who don't want to have babies should get snipped. There you go.
    Great. Promote that idea, and in the meantime get the fuck out of my family's decisions.
    "stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
    -ynnady

  15. #635
    Quote Originally Posted by Symphonic View Post
    I'll say it, men who don't want to have babies should get snipped. There you go.
    getting fixed can still make unwanted babies

  16. #636
    Quote Originally Posted by Thresh1 View Post
    That's a horrible thing to say. You get to kill other humans without reason?

    So you think that someone killing a 9 1/2 month baby just before it is born is OK because "they get to decide"? That's where your chain of reasoning leads and that is clearly despicable.
    Why do you get to kill other humans without reason? Or bombing millions of Muslims in the past decades is not killing humans to you? What about Vietnamese, Koreans and so forth? Basically anyone who doesn't share your views.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

    Last edited by Thwart; Today at 05:21 PM. Reason: Infracted for flaming
    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  17. #637
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    How is the possibility of something occurring turn this into an authoritarian issue? You do realize abortion would still be legal right? Call it compromise.
    Let's calls it a compromise: I'll come to our house and tell you how to run your family and sex life. Get out of our bedrooms and get out of our lives. Why is it so hard for you to not use the government to force your will on everyone else?
    "stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
    -ynnady

  18. #638
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    How is the possibility of something occurring turn this into an authoritarian issue? You do realize abortion would still be legal right? Call it compromise.


    Go for it. You got the the six weeks time frame to do it. Aren't you glad?
    as glad as you when you have to raise it

  19. #639
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    Let's calls it a compromise: I'll come to our house and tell you how to run your family and sex life. Get out of our bedrooms and get out of our lives. Why is it so hard for you to not use the government to force your will on everyone else?
    Did the government, or anyone else really, also force you to have sex? If so, I completely understand your anger.

    Quote Originally Posted by HomeHoney View Post
    as glad as you when you have to raise it
    So your issue is not that you are able or not to get an abortion? Dayum, you want to have the cake and eat it too, huh?

  20. #640
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    Did the government, or anyone else really, also force you to have sex? If so, I completely understand your anger.
    that has nothing to do with forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term

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