First Republican 'faithless elector' announces intent to vote against Trump

[Elegiac]

Mailling ballots back and forth 3 times and hoping your vote went through doesn't sound better to me. It also doesn't sound more secure.

Given how ballots are issued on the basis of registration and 'spares' aren't issued unless on request, vote tampering is very difficult on the part of the post office. It's about as easy or likely for a poll worker to be doing it.

[Daerio]

Given how ballots are issued on the basis of registration and 'spares' aren't issued unless on request, vote tampering is very difficult on the part of the post office. It's about as easy or likely for a poll worker to be doing it.

And the whole point is that the system needs checks in place so that:

A) The individual voter can't cheat and vote more than once
B) The poll workers can't cheat and alter the tallies
C) The election boards can't cheat and alter the tallies

And you simply can't do those things without a system that verifies who people are before they vote.

[I Push Buttons]

And the whole point is that the system needs checks in place so that:

A) The individual voter can't cheat and vote more than once
B) The poll workers can't cheat and alter the tallies
C) The election boards can't cheat and alter the tallies

And you simply can't do those things without a system that verifies who people are before they vote.

So disabled or poor people who can't get to a precinct should lose the right to vote?

[Daerio]

So disabled or poor people who can't get to a precinct should lose the right to vote?

In my state we have early in-person voting I think up to 2 weeks before election day. Isn't that enough?

[Shadowmelded]

Conservatives seem to be against welfare except when it comes to businesses. Then apparently they expect everyone else to bail them out for their mistakes. Doesn't seem much different from being a welfare queen to me.

Socialize loss and risk, privatize profit.

Since you're an expert; I'd like to know more. What system is in place to ensure the mailman cannot influence the process? (This was the point of weakness being exploited in the UK and why their mail-in ballot system is about to disappear, or at least undergo reforms)

You keep making this claim but I've yet to see any evidence of widescale postal vote fraud in the UK. Please don't tell me you're basing this on a claim made by UKIP?

[Elegiac]

And the whole point is that the system needs checks in place so that:

A) The individual voter can't cheat and vote more than once

Which is countered by the fact that each voter is only issued one ballot and it is cross checked against the voter rolls.

B) The poll workers can't cheat and alter the tallies
C) The election boards can't cheat and alter the tallies

Neither of which are resolved by photo ID.

And you simply can't do those things without a system that verifies who people are before they vote.

We have this, it's called registration.

[cubby]

Republicans don't disenfranchise anybody. It's always been the Democrats who enfranchise people who don't deserve it or in some cases, don't even exist.

All evidence to the contrary. But whatever feels right - just say it and think it's true. Facts are for suckers - MAGA!

[Daerio]

You keep making this claim but I've yet to see any evidence of widescale postal vote fraud in the UK. Please don't tell me you're basing this on a claim made by UKIP?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...oner-says.html

Want to source shame some more, or can we move on?

Which is countered by the fact that each voter is only issued one ballot and it is cross checked against the voter rolls.

Nothing in your hypothetical system stops an individual from casting more than one ballot assuming they're able to get past registration.

Neither of which are resolved by photo ID.

Yes, those other instances of voter/election fraud are not "resolved" by photo ID, but are impossible to prove without a verifiable paper trail and a registration process that makes sense. So, you can't have one without the other.

We have this, it's called registration.

And voter registration is exactly where the problems seem to be occurring.

[cubby]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...oner-says.html

Want to source shame some more, or can we move on?



Nothing in your hypothetical system stops an individual from casting more than one ballot assuming they're able to get past registration.



Yes, those other instances of voter/election fraud are not "resolved" by photo ID, but are impossible to prove without a verifiable paper trail and a registration process that makes sense. So, you can't have one without the other.



And voter registration is exactly where the problems seem to be occurring.

You nutters/Trumpers crack me up. George Bush 2 did a study and demonstrated that voter fraud isn't an issue. Don't argue with us - go with your own party's study.

[Daerio]

You nutters/Trumpers crack me up. George Bush 2 did a study and demonstrated that voter fraud isn't an issue. Don't argue with us - go with your own party's study.

I'm not affiliated with either party. I think I actually registered this year as a Democrat, but that was when I thought they had an actual candidate.

[I Push Buttons]

In my state we have early in-person voting I think up to 2 weeks before election day. Isn't that enough?

1. A number of states don't have early voting.
2. You still need to get there, a daunting task for people who have no public transportation (aka the entire country outside cities), have no vehicle, have no ride, have no money, etc., etc., etc.
3. In several states this cycle, Republicans cut early voting. I would assume the end goal being the removal of it entirely at some point.

[Elegiac]

Nothing in your hypothetical system stops an individual from casting more than one ballot assuming they're able to get past registration.

That's a registration issue, not a voter ID issue.

Yes, those other instances of voter/election fraud are not "resolved" by photo ID, but are impossible to prove without a verifiable paper trail and a registration process that makes sense. So, you can't have one without the other.

Yeah, and how do you expect to figure out which ballots are fraudulent considering they aren't named?

And voter registration is exactly where the problems seem to be occurring.

Which is solved by having to present photo ID at the poll, how?

Again, I'm totally in favor of automatic, in person voter registration when you turn eighteen for all citizens.

[Shadowmelded]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...oner-says.html

Want to source shame some more, or can we move on?

A claim he made without evidence, just that in his opinion it's easy which contradicts the reports of the actual electoral commission which states that while voter fraud does occur, it's not common. Anyway, I wasn't trying to shame you, the UKIP claim was the only recent one I could see and people who may not be familiar with UKIP or British politics might not know that they (ukip) are full of shit.

[cubby]

I'm not affiliated with either party. I think I actually registered this year as a Democrat, but that was when I thought they had an actual candidate.

Your party affiliation doesn't matter. You ignoring data and information does. The people you "think" don't participate in voter fraud conducted a study demonstrating that voter fraud isn't an issue.

The issue is voter suppression - and the GOP is all about that.

[Daerio]

That's a registration issue, not a voter ID issue.

No, the fact that people can register to vote under someone else's name is a registration issue.

The fact that someone can vote more than once without showing an ID is a voter ID issue.

[zknm7]

If it id happen (unlikely) I'm going to open a salt mining business.

Lawl... because APPARENTLY there wasn't enough salt to be mined from that evil witch Hillary's "surprise" loss.... LMAO.