"What is The Left willing to give up on?"

[Zenotetsuken]

IDK, I think a better question would be "What is the Right willing to give up on?"
I agree with you on the insanity that has encompassed the Left in recent years, but what really concerns me is that the mainstream Right is just as bad as the fringe Left. The 6 week abortion bill is just the most recent evidence of that.
If the Right doesn't bring itself more towards the middle, the left will get pulled further away from center to the fringe groups, in exactly the same way that the Right got pulled so far right by their fringe groups. The left and right have both lost the confidence of the people, and unless they both give up their crusading, we are going to end up with a violent uprising.

[Kalis]

That said I also feel like the left needs to actually BE left see bernie and Europe. So yes I feel the left the actual left needs to buckle down abd stop compromising however the SJW types need to f off abd realize they help NO ONE and actually make ahit worse.

Don't copy the UK left wing though, they've taken those SJW/intersectional bullshit types to heart and have alienated their traditional working class voterbase so much that they are unelectable at present.

They need to drop identity politics to focus on working class issues, that is why they existed in the first place.

[Elba]

Why conflate issues though? Fight sexism where sexism exists and racism where racism exists.

Both are interconnected. White women are generally treated differently from black women for example.

It is racism to discriminate against people based on their race, ergo positive discrimination is racism and you are supporting it.

Giving a leg up to historically disfranchised groups is not racism. I wouldn't even call it positive discrimination. That term is misleading.

[Lord Havik]

- Political correctness
- Cross-sectional feminism
- Positive discrimination
- Censorship
- Gender theory

These should be dropped immediately. All this moral busy-body crap has turned the left into a caricature of the religious right from the 1980s.

The Democrats were at their best when they were the party of science and counter to the religo-nuts on the Republican side. These days, however, the democrats are the party of self-important pedants who block roads over pronoun usage.

Dems should disavow the social justice movement and move back to justifying progressive measures with hard science. You can't win an argument by screaming "racist! sexist! homophobe!" at people who no longer care if they're called those things. And you can't win an argument by appealing to a subjective morality the other side does not share with you. Science, on the other hand, is objective and predictive, and carries the same weight in a civil argument regardless of morality.

Dems should go back to being the party of skepticism, and leave all this "listen and believe" garbage behind.

[Dadwen]

You brought up how great gun sales were despite not much action by Obama. In fact, when ever Americans died, gun makers made money.

I brought up how fucked up many gun lovers on this forum can be.

they go up because of the idea the DNC is so anti gun everyone runs to buy them because they're scared they be banned this time, if they talked about mental heath or other security measures the guns sales would prob never have budged.

[Elba]

These things are totalitarian and fascist anyways so yes they need to go

How are they totalitarian and fascist? Can you elaborate?

[Jonnusthegreat]

Giving a leg up to historically disfranchised groups is not racism. I wouldn't even call it positive discrimination. That term is misleading.

It's actually the definition of racism to support one group over another based on race.

[Deleted]

I'd almost be tempted to say absolutely nothing, seeing as that would keep them out of power for longer. But then on the other hand, right wing sure hasn't made any steps in any direction, and them staying in control and slowly pulling whatever money is left in the middle class and lower class away towards our corporate overlords, is a bit more frightening prospect.

[GennGreymane]

they go up because of the idea the DNC is so anti gun everyone runs to buy them because they're scared they be banned this time, if they talked about mental heath or other security measures the guns sales would prob never have budged.

Glad they do talk about those things.

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How are they totalitarian and fascist? Can you elaborate?

Because they hurt feelings and disagree with you on the interwebz

[Elba]

Dems should go back to being the party of skepticism, and leave all this "listen and believe" garbage behind.

And win no election ever again. Contrary what a lot of you might think, social issues are way, way, way more important to most people, both left and right, than science.

[Captain N]

You brought up how great gun sales were despite not much action by Obama. In fact, when ever Americans died, gun makers made money.

I brought up how fucked up many gun lovers on this forum can be.

That gun lover sounds....Super.

[GennGreymane]

That gun lover sounds....Super.

Its funny how you say that XD

[Garnier Fructis]

Science, on the other hand, is objective and predictive, and carries the same weight in a civil argument regardless of morality.

Dems should go back to being the party of skepticism, and leave all this "listen and believe" garbage behind.

Most people also tend to ignore science they don't like, so I don't see how that's really going to help much.

Everyone is on the side of science. But see, this science that I don't like here, it's clearly a conspiracy...

[Elba]

It's actually the definition of racism to support one group over another based on race.

Not really, when one group is disadvantaged compared to the other group. Society isn't equal. AA helps a little bit.

[NED funded]

When people say: " the left in the US should adopt socialism"
What I'm getting is that they want a clear divide in the roles of the left and right. The right handles the economy (and the nation),because it's the capitalist party (and capitalism is the driving force of the nation) and the left should be relinquished to be the perpetual opposing party that says: Hold your horses think of the people?

[Leadsop]

Its time to be obstructionist.

Difficult to do when the party's policies and methods have destroyed any chance to do so via systematically losing control of the House, Senate, and Presidency.

[Zenotetsuken]

Giving a leg up to historically disfranchised groups is not racism. I wouldn't even call it positive discrimination. That term is misleading.

Yeah, it is. You are discriminating against someone by the color of their skin. Kind of textbook racism. You either want equality, or you want special treatment; those 2 ideas are mutually exclusive.

[Rennadrel]

I think they could give up their latest ideologies and stop alienating people away based on specific traits and feels. Namely what makes one call some the "Regressive Left".

I got little beef with most of their stances prior to that.

Pretty much this. Shit like gender theory as the OP called it, is all based on emotional status, not physical. Your physical being is what defines your gender, not how you feel. Factor in regressive feminism which has set out to label all men as sexist pigs and that we are some how privileged because of our gender (funny, since I know women who have been given privilege over men just because of their gender, yet no one is crying foul over that because us men who actually have centrist views don't have a problem with women being given opportunities in industries that are predominantly male oriented). Political correctness and multiculturalism go hand in hand, and the latter isn't socially compatible with western values in most situations, hence why political correctness is such a bullshit ideology.

[Kalis]

Both are interconnected. White women are generally treated differently from black women for example.

Virtually all differences in treatment are based on wealth, not gender or colour.

Giving a leg up to historically disfranchised groups is not racism. I wouldn't even call it positive discrimination. That term is misleading.

It is racism to discriminate against a group based on their race. The term is not misleading, other than it uses the redundant 'positive', rather than just calling it what it is...discrimination.

Take two 20 year old males, one white and one black; why should one be given a leg up due to him being black? What did the 20 year old white bloke do that should cause him to drop down the pecking order? Nothing, so you are using a variant of 'sins of the father' and that was nonsense 2,500 years, it hasn't gotten any better with age.

[Elba]

Yeah, it is. You are discriminating against someone by the color of their skin. Kind of textbook racism. You either want equality, or you want special treatment; those 2 ideas are mutually exclusive.

Affirmative Action counteracts special treatment of white people and men. It is a tool for equality.