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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Annoying View Post
    I mean... do you have a car? Because if you have a car, you're not part of that. I live 10 miles from the Wal-Mart here, and I'm not part of that, even though my town is actually a food desert. Whatever it costs at wallyworld is pretty much what you're going to have to pay because the next closest supermarket is like 40 miles away.

    https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-produc...rch-atlas.aspx

    That's where that map led to eventually, they made an interactive one.
    I give you his reply to me about food deserts. Maybe his opinion since page 6.

    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    That is the most ignorant logic I have ever seen. A whole mile, gee wiz! I live 8 miles from my store, guess I am part of that as well. How do these people manage to buy food without living 1 mile of their store, OMG they must be starving!! LOL This is why I read these forums for a good laugh.
    Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!

  2. #162
    Since 80% of those collecting welfare are working and the wages aren't keeping up with reality. I think the best bet would be to mandate a living wage for workers and take that the majority of that 80% off welfare entirely fixing it greatly.

    Limiting what they buy doesn't fix shit because you didn't fix the situations that has them on it to begin with. You just make them more miserable where they are increasing their likeliness to resort to crime or other illegal behaviors to offset it as most of them would gladly get a better job if the option were available and for the statistical majority, it isn't.
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  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Since 80% of those collecting welfare are working and the wages aren't keeping up with reality. I think the best bet would be to mandate a living wage for workers and take that the majority of that 80% off welfare entirely fixing it greatly.

    Limiting what they buy doesn't fix shit because you didn't fix the situations that has them on it to begin with. You just make them more miserable where they are increasing their likeliness to resort to crime or other illegal behaviors to offset it as most of them would gladly get a better job if the option were available and for the statistical majority, it isn't.
    I agree with a lot of what you say but I would ask this: If Socialism works so great, then is the wealthiest nation not Socialist? I would argue that dragging the entire economy down, to increase the wages of the least skilled, is not something that benefits the greater good of the nation. This is further supported by the obvious fact that the least skilled will not always have the skill gap (people learn new skills and move up in the job market over time). I prefer the food stamp program, and I would even double it, instead of screwing up the economy by raising minimum wages to ridiculous levels.

  4. #164
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    Duh? Junkfood is more expensive than cooking.
    The fact that people get stamps to go to fucking Mc Donalds... Holy shit arent u americans embarrased enough yet?

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Annoying View Post
    I mean... do you have a car? Because if you have a car, you're not part of that. I live 10 miles from the Wal-Mart here, and I'm not part of that, even though my town is actually a food desert. Whatever it costs at wallyworld is pretty much what you're going to have to pay because the next closest supermarket is like 40 miles away.

    https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-produc...rch-atlas.aspx

    That's where that map led to eventually, they made an interactive one.
    So how do they buy food ? If you can buy junk food you can buy veggies, they usually sell them at the same market...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDonald View Post
    Duh? Junkfood is more expensive than cooking.
    The fact that people get stamps to go to fucking Mc Donalds... Holy shit arent u americans embarrased enough yet?
    Well you can't buy prepared food with food stamps, so no you can't buy mcdonalds, but that doesn't mean they aren't lobbying for it.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    So how do they buy food ? If you can buy junk food you can buy veggies, they usually sell them at the same market....
    Not always. If your only "grocery store" is something like a Dollar General, your only veggies are going to be canned green beans and canned corn. They don't sell fresh veggies or real meat, but they sell all the junk food you could imagine.

    Other people are stuck with gas station convenience stores or pharmacies that sell a little food.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnshadow View Post
    Not always. If your only "grocery store" is something like a Dollar General, your only veggies are going to be canned green beans and canned corn. They don't sell fresh veggies or real meat, but they sell all the junk food you could imagine.

    Other people are stuck with gas station convenience stores or pharmacies that sell a little food.
    I can confirm that in my city, there are about zero stores that I would consider an actual grocery store in the poor side of town.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnshadow View Post
    Not always. If your only "grocery store" is something like a Dollar General, your only veggies are going to be canned green beans and canned corn. They don't sell fresh veggies or real meat, but they sell all the junk food you could imagine.

    Other people are stuck with gas station convenience stores or pharmacies that sell a little food.
    canned veggies are a lot better than twinkies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GothamCity View Post
    I'm fine banning junk food under a few circumstances.

    We get a scientific definition of "junk food", not something that republicans just arbitrarily legislate.
    We dramatically raise the food-only section of benefits so they can afford healthy foods.
    We continue to provide a decent chunk of unregulated money they can spend on whatever they choose.
    We open up the ability to talk to nutritionists for the recipients so they can eat healthier and more affordably.

    Banning the only affordable food without changing anything else would be a terrible idea.
    Why would you need to increase benefits in order to afford "healthy foods?" It's the junk food that is so expensive. Produce/meats/canned goods are extremely cheap in comparison to frozen fucking Hot Pockets and bags of Doritos.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahovv View Post
    Why would you need to increase benefits in order to afford "healthy foods?" It's the junk food that is so expensive. Produce/meats/canned goods are extremely cheap in comparison to frozen fucking Hot Pockets and bags of Doritos.
    This might be the most ignorant statement I have ever seen. I guess we know who's mom buys their groceries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    So how do they buy food ? If you can buy junk food you can buy veggies, they usually sell them at the same market...
    Which is why you missed the point of that map. If you don't have a car, and the closest supermarket is miles away, you walk to a corner store and buy what they have... junk food. I could walk 3 miles to the closest gas station and get a candy bar or walk 10 miles to wal-mart and buy a small handful of food that I have to carry back that 10 miles.

    The entire purpose of the food desert map is to show easy access to supermarkets, not what's in the supermarkets. If you have the means to go to-and-from the supermarket (that's the distance part of the map), and the means of transporting more than a few bags worth of goods (that's the car part of the map), then you're not part of the people that map is referencing.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahovv View Post
    Why would you need to increase benefits in order to afford "healthy foods?" It's the junk food that is so expensive. Produce/meats/canned goods are extremely cheap in comparison to frozen fucking Hot Pockets and bags of Doritos.
    I was going to reply, but @Tijuana spelled it out nicely:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tijuana View Post
    This might be the most ignorant statement I have ever seen. I guess we know who's mom buys their groceries.
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  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Annoying View Post
    Which is why you missed the point of that map. If you don't have a car, and the closest supermarket is miles away, you walk to a corner store and buy what they have... junk food. I could walk 3 miles to the closest gas station and get a candy bar or walk 10 miles to wal-mart and buy a small handful of food that I have to carry back that 10 miles.

    The entire purpose of the food desert map is to show easy access to supermarkets, not what's in the supermarkets. If you have the means to go to-and-from the supermarket (that's the distance part of the map), and the means of transporting more than a few bags worth of goods (that's the car part of the map), then you're not part of the people that map is referencing.
    I am really having a hard time believing that people have no access to veggies. If you're 10 miles away walk 10 miles, anyone eating twinkies needs the exercize anyway.

    If I had no car I could still walk to the supermarket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tijuana View Post
    This might be the most ignorant statement I have ever seen. I guess we know who's mom buys their groceries.
    If it's so glaringly ignorant, show me a shopping list of "healthy" food to support your claim. I'm right, because when I do buy only healthy foods, it's really fucking cheap.

    Or are you one of those people who think buying the name-brand 7-grain bread with 200 calories a slice is "healthy?"

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahovv View Post
    If it's so glaringly ignorant, show me a shopping list of "healthy" food to support your claim.
    No. How does that make you feel?

  16. #176
    As people implied what would be junk food ?

    Hint : Pepsi or Coke would be labelled as junk...but no the other with the best team of lobbyists.

  17. #177
    Map that shows a store further than 1 mile away, GTFO of here LOL, I walk more than that around my office. You will never convince me of that stupid shit.

  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I am really having a hard time believing that people have no access to veggies. If you're 10 miles away walk 10 miles, anyone eating twinkies needs the exercize anyway.

    If I had no car I could still walk to the supermarket.
    Holy shit, zenkai. I try not to use the term privilege, but goddamn.

    What about single parents? What about people holding down two jobs? What about people with sick/elderly relatives to take care of, or are sick/elderly themselves? There's a whole slew of reasons someone may not be able to take the time to walk ten fucking miles there and back every time they want fresh food. And guess what, most of the people who fit in that category also fit into the category of people that need EBT. Knock it off with the fucking bootstrap argument and develop some goddamn empathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I am really having a hard time believing that people have no access to veggies. If you're 10 miles away walk 10 miles, anyone eating twinkies needs the exercize anyway.

    If I had no car I could still walk to the supermarket.
    ...A slow walk is 2 mph, moderate is 3 mph. So at 2mph, that's... 10 hours round trip. At 3mph, that's 6.6 hours. So you're saying that you'd be ok with walking 6.6 hours every day for food? I say every day because you can't carry enough food for a family without a car, so really you could maybe pick up one day worth of food. Maybe two, I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Map that shows a store further than 1 mile away, GTFO of here LOL, I walk more than that around my office. You will never convince me of that stupid shit.
    You spend 1/2hr walking around your office every day? Because walking a mile takes 30min. 20 if you walk with a quicker pace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by want my Slimjim View Post
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    Once again another step in the right direction by Republican states. As always. I have been equalily pissed off and horrified seeing People with EBT cards purchasing junk food, extravagant foods and even alcohol , things I might splurge on once or twice a year. I don't work my ass off for anyone else to enjoy the fruits of my labor, yet some.people with EBT eat better than I do because of how much I am taxed. Use the bar code system to limit what can be bought with EBT. Government moochers are a cancer.
    Once again a GOP cheerleader who has been feeding at the Faux News trough of mushroom fodder spouts off BS and outright lies about SNAP (Which is the name of the program not Foodstamps).

    First off I'd love to see you, or that Arkansas Lawmaker, purchase a healthy meal for the $1.40 that the average participant receives in SNAP per meal. Yes $1.40 per meal. or $126 per month, are receiving and paying for those "extravagant" you claim to have seem people buy.

    Second the majority of people who receive Snap not only.work for a living but also work multiple jobs. They are the hard workers who work for the minimum wages that your friends in the GOP want to keep below poverty level so that the 1% grows richer and pay less taxes then you.

    Third you are so full off bullcrap when you claim you've saw people on Snap "extravagant" foods and alcohol since alcohol isn't allowed and folks with a budget of $1.40 a meal aren't going to go hungry in order to have the "extravagant" meal!

    Fourth is that that Arkansas Lawmaker, and others of his ilk, aren't telling you is that reducing what could be bought on Snap would not reduce the burden on the taxpayers. Snap doesn't spent your Tax dollars as the Farm Aid bill does! You see in order to keep the prices for grains, vegetables, and other foodstuffs high the Fed pays "Big" farmers not to grow, or buys the surplus to keep it off the market (This is why a Farmers Market prices are always lower then the Grocery Store) and then turn around and give the folks below poverty level a paltry $126 on average so they can afford foods that the Farm Aid bill has made unaffordable.

    Now take that Confederate Flag because who really wants to rally behind the flag of Losers. Oh right folks who want to force others to worship or live by their racist religions do!!

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