Intel Panel Abruptly Nixes Briefing on Alleged Russian Interference in US Election

[Bodakane]

They don't present evidence at all, they present opinions which we're supposed to hold as sacred.

Except we've caught them lying under oath. And we've caught them being "wrong" at best in the past.

And we've seen them tell the truth and be right.

If you were skeptical, that would be one thing. But you're not, you're flat out positive its all not true and a lie. That's where the problem is. In fact, I predict whatever evidence they release won't be enough for you. They could have video showing Trump blowing Putin and you still wouldn't believe it.

[Kryos]

its an ongoing investigation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

read that ^ again as many times as it takes to sink the fuck in.

They aren't going to release their evidence during an ongoing investigation no matte how many times you people pretend like they should.

They do however, tell you in the second statement when they are going to release the evidence you people act like they don't have.

so there is no evidence and without evidence you can't claim shit!

The moment they show evidence I will agree on the facts and data. I will not believe anybody. Not the left, not the right. Guess why I'm an atheist...

[Stacyrect]

ITS AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read that ^ again as many times as it takes to sink the fuck in.

They aren't going to release their evidence during an ongoing investigation no matte how many times you people pretend like they should.

They do however, tell you in the second statement when they are going to release the evidence you people act like they don't have.

Here's the problem. The DNC hacks happened on July 22nd. From then till now they have posited that it was the Russian Government who did this. The evidence that has been provided claims both Kozy Bear and Fancy bear are Russian state hacker groups. This is refuted here. Take note that Crowdstrikes assessment specifically points to it being Russian state because they specifically ignore other activities done by these hacker groups.

https://www.secureworks.com/research...oogle-accounts


Doesn't make sense that a Russian State hacker group hacked and stole 31 million from a Russian bank does it?

Past that, they have an IP trace to a Russian companies servers and that a small portion of the emails were using Yandex, a moscow based email service. These are accessible by anyone in the world except maybe people in China, maybe.

Now I brought up the specific date of the breach, July 22nd for a reason. It's been what, 4-5 months now? In 2014, the DoJ, in less then a month, compiled a 54 page indictment of chinese hackers. The charges were specific and they identified the perpetrators by name. Now in fairness, a majority of these incidents go back a few years, all the way to 2006, but that was the DoJ sitting on its hands and not doing anything about it. The last theft of trade secrets stolen happened 2 months before this indictment was filed. We are talking about specific incidents, specific hacks, ranging in the thousands. Not only was their a thorough accounting of what happened but the methodology used in some instances was vastly more complex then what was used in the DNC breach. Take note at how specific they are. You can see the indictment here

https://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/reso...2358461949.pdf

If you read into that, they were able to divulge not only the actual physical proximity of where these hackers were but they were able to identify them by names and as well as their alias's. Yes, it took years in some cases for the DOJ to indite but the information gathering happened from start to finish, within or just over a month of the initial incident.

Here we are 5 months later with bullshit provided as evidence that Russia was involved. Now their is going to be a lengthy investigation that goes back 8 years about shit that has nothing to do with this election? The information needs to be released BEFORE Trump takes office, not after.The CIA says it has 'magical' classified evidence that apparently fingers Russia that they won't share. Color me shocked if I don't believe the same agency that has systematically lied to Congress, Senate, and American public since 2010 is somehow going to be truthful to us now. Especially with Clapper counting down his days at the CIA.

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Then theirs this https://www.rt.com/op-edge/370465-ru...ms-nsa-binney/

[The CIA] haven’t come out with the evidence to show the tracing of the data from the DNC server to, for example the Russians, or anybody else, or going from them to WikiLeaks, which is a high priority target for NSA, in terms of network monitoring,”

“If the CIA is alleging a different story, they need to produce the evidence like they did on the Chinese hack,” Binney said. “There is no reason to withhold this kind of information, especially if they can prove it and so far as I can see they won’t even brief the House Intelligence Committee on the evidence they are using to make this statement. That tells me that what they are saying is a pack of crap.”

“That are just concocting these things to support the existing administration and to also support the move toward a new Cold War.”

“When you send something across the network you are sending it into NSA land, and they own everything,” Binney said. “They have tens of thousands of embedded implants in terms of hardware and software around switches of the world, and they got trace route programs by the hundreds all around the switches, and they are collecting at different points throughout the network in the entire world, redundant collection. So, there is no excuse for them not to have both the content and the trace route, anything going across the network.”

[Reeve]

"Do you think I'll do better playing dominos on cheese or pasta?"

That's the exact line from the e-mail. Tell me what he was really asking there in regards to eating pizza.

Could be anything. Could be a badly done joke. Could be that he's asking if he'd be better at playing dominos on cheese or on pasta in the same way someone might say "Do youthink I'll do better playing dominos on Speed or on Marijuana?"

I mean seriously, without the context of their relationship, who the fuck knows what their personal conversation means? Is it more likely that the dude is making some joke about pizza and pasta, or more likely that this is a vast previously unnoticed child sex and pornography ring happening under the auspices of people trying to run for President?

I mean seriously. How stupid would you have to be to be running for president while also running a child sex ring? This has to be the worst conspiracy theory garbage I've ever read.

[Daerio]

Could be anything. Could be a badly done joke. Could be that he's asking if he'd be better at playing dominos on cheese or on pasta in the same way someone might say "Do youthink I'll do better playing dominos on Speed or on Marijuana?"

I mean seriously, without the context of their relationship, who the fuck knows what their personal conversation means? Is it more likely that the dude is making some joke about pizza and pasta, or more likely that this is a vast previously unnoticed child sex and pornography ring happening under the auspices of people trying to run for President?

I mean seriously. How stupid would you have to be to be running for president while also running a child sex ring? This has to be the worst conspiracy theory garbage I've ever read.

Asking you to explain exactly what he was saying in the e-mail spawns all kinds of conspiracy theory accusation drivel.

Must be hitting the nerve.

[Reeve]

Asking you to explain exactly what he was saying in the e-mail spawns all kinds of conspiracy theory accusation drivel.

Must be hitting the nerve.

Yeah, the conspiracy shit is hitting a nerve. I'm tired of waking up and feeling like the world has gone crazy and no longer recognizes the difference between facts and imagination. The fact that my new President Elect seems to be an avatar of this sort of schizophrenic false reality the country seems to be falling into is just that much more disturbing. There's a good reason for this to hit a nerve. This sort of annihilation of collective truth affects us all.

[Edge-]

I've gotta say, I'm quite enjoying Republicans tying themselves into knots in order to try to undermine our US intelligence communities conclusions from their ongoing investigations in order to defend Russia and their ties with Trump.

Then again, apparently 1/3 of Republicans now have a favorable view of Putin. Guess the party that has prided itself on patriotism is still filled with patriots, just patriots of Russia instead of the US, now.

[Deleted]

Well, russia won the cold war at the end, not america.

The winner of the american presidential election will be vladimir putin.

Trump moved the GOP to the far right, where they met Putin. Which is that far right its fascism and autocracy and not democracy anymore.

[Stacyrect]

I've gotta say, I'm quite enjoying Republicans tying themselves into knots in order to try to undermine our US intelligence communities conclusions from their ongoing investigations in order to defend Russia and their ties with Trump.

Then again, apparently 1/3 of Republicans now have a favorable view of Putin. Guess the party that has prided itself on patriotism is still filled with patriots, just patriots of Russia instead of the US, now.

I don't think anyone is tying themselves in knots. Hell, not even the lefties. I mean corruption is exposed in your party and no one seems to give a shit. Now, people seem to give a shit because Russians or Russia did it. No one cares about what was exposed, they only care how it was exposed. Frankly, it's quite disturbing.

[Orbitus]

I don't think anyone is tying themselves in knots. Hell, not even the lefties. I mean corruption is exposed in your party and no one seems to give a shit. Now, people seem to give a shit because Russians or Russia did it. No one cares about what was exposed, they only care how it was exposed. Frankly, it's quite disturbing.

What corruption? Point it out.

[Stacyrect]

What corruption? Point it out.

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/

Right here

[Elegiac]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/

Right here

Please elaborate as to where money illegally changed hands in return for political favors.

[downnola]

I've gotta say, I'm quite enjoying Republicans tying themselves into knots in order to try to undermine our US intelligence communities conclusions from their ongoing investigations in order to defend Russia and their ties with Trump.

Then again, apparently 1/3 of Republicans now have a favorable view of Putin. Guess the party that has prided itself on patriotism is still filled with patriots, just patriots of Russia instead of the US, now.

Exactly.

How gruesome it is when the supposed party of patriotism, traditional values, and liberty buys into every sleight of hand trick of revanchist autocrats. The internet would implode from the moral outrage if the shoe were on the other foot. I can picture the veins popping on foreheads and calls to punish the "communist bomb-throwers" already.

[Orbitus]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/

Right here

That is a broad vague statement. Also, of all of the wikileaks emails released, none of them are particularly damning. Not only are they vague, but we don't have the entire conversations.

[Nathreim]

I cannot understand why people (especially Trump and his supporters) are trying to play down the fact their own democracy, supposedly the most important thing to americans, has been attacked by a foreign power.

You even have these people outright opposing an investigation by their own intelligence services. It stinks of either sheer incompetence and negligence, or even collusion.

Probably because Obama and the left spent the better part of October saying the elections couldn't be rigged.

[Spiffums]

"Russia" hacked some email servers......... I don't get how hacking the exchange servers of a private organization equals a threat to national security.

[downnola]

"Russia" hacked some email servers......... I don't get how hacking the exchange servers of a private organization equals a threat to national security.

What is the goal of national security? Who is it supposed to serve? Does national security only apply to physical harm, or can cyber espionage do just as much harm?

[Spiffums]

What is the goal of national security? Who is it supposed to serve? Does national security only apply to physical harm, or can cyber espionage do just as much harm?

I don't see Congressional meetings and media outcry and forum posts in the millions over the Yahoo hack or the VA hack.

[turboether]

Interesting how uncovering dirt on corrupt politicians is commonly lauded, but letting the public know about it in this case is a matter of national security

[Stacyrect]

That is a broad vague statement. Also, of all of the wikileaks emails released, none of them are particularly damning. Not only are they vague, but we don't have the entire conversations.

It's not a statement. I pointed it out, at your request. The fact that you find that nothing is 'particularly damning' while having an issue with who exposed it is disturbing. "It's totally fine when my own party seeks to undermine and influence it's own election, but exposing that is an issue because it was 'supposedly' done by a foreign entity." Do you even look at yourself in the mirror with these kinds of double standards?