Originally Posted by
Rainforest
And no mention of demons existing inside impenetrable barriers either.
Red herring fallacy and straw man.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
I don't have fanon, you do.
Nothing you've presented is consistent with canon and you provide no sources.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
Nope. Necromantic magic is a part of life because without life, there is no death.
The forces of Life and Death hold sway over every living thing in the physical universe. The energies of Life, known commonly as nature magic promote growth and renewal in all things. Death, in the form of necromantic magic, acts as a counterbalance to Life. It is an unavoidable force that breeds despair in mortal hearts and pushes everything toward a state of entropic decay and eventual oblivion.
--Chronicle
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
This is your head canon. Provide a source specifically stating that they're immune to the effects of necromantic magic and provide a canon source specifically stating that the effects of necromantic magic are "natural".
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
What, then, does the term immortality mean in Warcraft? Immortal creatures essentially stop aging when they reach adulthood, and thus, they cannot die merely from old age. (
WC Encyclopedia)
The forces of Life and Death hold sway over every living thing in the physical universe. The energies of Life, known commonly as nature magic promote growth and renewal in all things. Death, in the form of necromantic magic, acts as a counterbalance to Life. It is an unavoidable force that breeds despair in mortal hearts and pushes everything toward a state of entropic decay and eventual oblivion.
--Chronicle
Necromantic magic is a natural part of the physical universe which counterbalances Life. It is what causes people to die from old age, which immortals are not subject to.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
A form of life is not the same as life itself.
Life arose in the Twisting Nether. Those creatures are called demons.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
You don't get to cherry pick which demons are alive and which ones aren't bub. It's either demons are alive or they're not. It's either everything has a life as you've claimed or not.
Straw man. I didn't cherry pick abyssals and infernals as exceptions. Chronicle states they are demons, they are alive. What makes them standout is that they are monstrous, mindless amalgamations of matter and fel energy.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
Oh yes you do, if you actually want to come to an agreement.
I really don't. Your dispute is with Blizzard.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
Irrelevant because my point isn't that a world-soul is the same as the total of souls living on a world. My point is that you're claiming that everything is alive or has a life, then denying that each world has a life or spirit/soul.
Everything is alive. That is not my claim, that is what the canon materials state. You are conflating the elements of the worlds being alive with an actual titanic world-soul.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
The undead don't have life per Chronicle. Any source stating undead have life, if there is any, was retconed.
They are trapped between life and death.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
According to who? You? You'd claim demons have the life-consuming fel magic inside them, then deny that they don't have life just because Blizzard states so. You have no intention of being reasonable or coming to an agreement. You're basically a nut who is incapable of thinking for yourself.
Just as in the Great Dark Beyond, life had also arisen in the Twisting Nether. The creatures that emerged from this turbulent realm were known as demons.
--Chronicle
You're the one claiming they don't have life.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
Where's you canon source stating that most of his work had been deemed non-canon?
Aaron Rosenberg's Warcraft publications:
- Lands of Mystery. RPG supplement. July 2006.
- Alliance Players Guide. RPG supplement. August 2006.
- World of Warcraft: Tides of Darkness. August 2007.
- World of Warcraft: Beyond the Dark Portal. June 2008.
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
My mistake. Half of his work has been deemed non-canon.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
Oh, so God-King Chris Metzen made a mistake when he stated that fel energy is essentially death energy? Do you have any canon source to back up your harebrained theory?
Up to this point I've taken you at your word, but where is the citation?
It's not my harebrained theory. It's explicit in Chronicle.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
This isn't about you ranting about Blizzard's disagreeing with you and I'm not entirely convinced that you are well aware of the mistakes and inconsistencies Blizzard has made.
Blizzard doesn't disagree with me. I cite what they've written.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
Yes it is.
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
Nope. It's about Blizzard's mistakes and inconsistencies.
Nope. You demand that your fanon about the Warcraft universe is correct despite what Blizzard explicitly states. If you want to point out the inconsistencies, then do so. Point to the contradictory sources. Don't present your fanon as fact while ignoring canonical sources. This is the closest you've actually come to doing that:
Originally Posted by
Rainforest
One mistake Blizzard has made is treating demons as if they're alive despite being astral entities with highly destructive energies that consuming souls (a.k.a life essences per canon)
Demons were originally literal demons from Hell. Which is also where the orcs came from. So they were physical creatures originally. But yes, even Chronicle indicates that they are incorporeal by nature until they manifest in a corporeal form in the physical universe. But being an ethereal realm doesn't mean its denizens aren't alive. The Emerald Dream is also an ethereal realm full of life.
Also, many things aren't mistakes. They're intentional changes.