Tracer confirmed first LGBT character

[Graeham]

'It's 2016' has always been a ridiculous counter argument as far as I'm concerned. What is it even meant to mean? Genuine question.

[Wyrt]

Oh and yeah - Tracer so fits the typical LGBT character. Forced bullshit again.

You know lesbians are just normal people and don't have to fit whatever retarded stereotype you have for them right?

[Kaleredar]

'It's 2016' has always been a ridiculous counter argument as far as I'm concerned. What is it even meant to mean? Genuine question.

I assume it means that by now people should know that gay and lesbian people exist in this world and should logically be expected to exist in video game worlds about the real world as well.


It's literally the same as crying about having multi-ethnic characters instead of having them all be white.

[ELYPOP]

'It's 2016' has always been a ridiculous counter argument as far as I'm concerned. What is it even meant to mean? Genuine question.

Because we're in a progressive age.

[Rennadrel]

Leave it to Overwatch to make their franchise mascot the multiple-minority one.

Must have focus grouped that one. What a better way to virtue signal than that?!

Incoming complaints about the attractive, skinny, white one being the lesbian. My popcorn is ready.

Cause you know, it's not like Rule 34 wasn't already doing that before Blizzard even announced it.

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Because we're in a regressive age.

Fixed that for you.

[Theoris]

so, how many LGBT people blizz won for this move and how many bigoted a-holes they lost for this?

(FTFY, you're welcome)

Who cares? If they want to stop playing the game because a character is gay then good riddance and cheers.

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Cause you know, it's not like Rule 34 wasn't already doing that before Blizzard even announced it.

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Fixed that for you.

If you seriously believe this is a regressive age you have some serious fucking problems.

[Wyrt]

If you seriously believe this is a regressive age you have some serious fucking problems.

Well, Trump did just get elected president.

[Tharkkun]

Well, Trump did just get elected president.

If he actually gets congress to pass any of his stupid laws. Until that happens nothing will change.

[Polarthief]

Inb4 Junkrat/Roadhog that I've seen all over.

Oh and Zarya obs isn't straight, but that's way too obvious.

[Deleted]

Dolphins and Bonobos have sex all the time too. Dolphins even try to rape people.

Also, nature isn't a person, it has no intent.

Dolphins and Bonobos are among the most intelligent animals in existence, they too will have discovered sex can be used for other ends than reproduction of the species.

Nature may have intent, and it may not. Just because it isn't a person doesn't mean it can't have intentions. To assume only man can have intention is pretty short sighted. Also, you cannot deny that, based on the evidence we possess, for millions of years sex's only purpose has been to procreate. Evolution only managed to break away from the concept recently.

[Torgent]

Straight/gay/bi/trans and what ever else there is has no place in this game. They are adding it for the sake of adding it. No one gives a fucking shit what sexual preference these characters have.

Surprised there isn't a fucking vegan and scientologist in the game yet as it would have as much to do with the game as someone being gay.

They aren't adding anything. They are revealing something. Learn the difference. And clearly someone cares about the preference because there are plenty who cheered it and plenty more who bitched about it. (Your version of bitching still counts because you're complaining that your assumption of everyone being straight is not valid anymore). Sorry that you don't like stories and characters, you just want "bang bang bang".

[Wyrt]

Dolphins and Bonobos are among the most intelligent animals in existence, they too will have discovered sex can be used for other ends than reproduction of the species.

Nature may have intent, and it may not. Just because it isn't a person doesn't mean it can't have intentions. To assume only man can have intention is pretty short sighted. Also, you cannot deny that, based on the evidence we possess, for millions of years sex's only purpose has been to procreate. Evolution only managed to break away from the concept recently.

Nature can't have intentions. Neither can evolution.

And we don't know if there were t-rex carpet munchers.

[Deleted]

Nature can't have intentions. Neither can evolution.

And we don't know if there were t-rex carpet munchers.

Okay, so let me get this straight:

Nature/Evolution has intention. Possible evidence > For millions of years creatures of all shapes and sizes have been occupied with their survival and, more importantly, that of their species. Perhaps with guilty pleasures here and there, but most likely as an afterthought. If nature/evolution didn't have such intentions, it's quite interesting how it could've built such a complex system just by (metaphorically) throwing a random rock in a random pond.

Nature/Evolution can't have intention. Evidence > Because I say so.

Just to make it clear...

[Wyrt]

Okay, so let me get this straight:

Nature/Evolution has intention. Possible evidence > For millions of years creatures of all shapes and sizes have been occupied with their survival and, more importantly, that of their species. Perhaps with guilty pleasures here and there, but most likely as an afterthought. If nature/evolution didn't have such intentions, it's quite interesting how it could've built such a complex system just by (metaphorically) throwing a random rock in a random pond.

Nature/Evolution can't have intention. Evidence > Because I say so.

Just to make it clear...

Nature isn't sentient. It is incapable of having intent.

If you think evolution is some divine guiding force then you have no idea how it works.

[Torgent]

You know, even as a straight man I was hoping for something more daring than Tracer. Any of the male characters for example.
Making Tracer lesbian isn't really pandering to the LGBT community, but to the straight male community... I mean who doesn't find that sexy?

Gay male characters are more daring to do and will offend far more people.

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Who cares about Tracer! Who's Torbjörn with and are they banging? Are they making little bearded crossbreeds?

I disagree with your stances. I think Tracer was a logical and reasonable character to be gay. She wasn't overtly sexual, so that's not exactly appealing to straight men. She was a fun, powerful, and happy character....who is also gay. That's not her focus, because she's a lot more. If 13 year old virgins want to get excited when they hear "lesbian", that's on them. This is not pandering to anyone, this is having a character who is LGBT. Nothing more. Blizzard isn't trying to reel in players with it, it's just a part of the back story.

[Mormolyce]

how many of those animals ended up creating an offspring? try again please

You just keep shifting those goalposts, surely if you do that enough you'll land a touchdown eventually.

[Deleted]

Nature isn't sentient. It is incapable of having intent.

If you think evolution is some divine guiding force then you have no idea how it works.

Evolution is an unending process of mutations to improve beings of any shape and size.
I know evolution doesn't consciously decide 'hey this thing should have fins so it can swim more efficiently', but the intent of it is usually to improve the species, be it at a cost or not.

[Radaney]

Oh I thought the LGBT panel was the Junkrat and Roadhog one.

Evolution is an unending process of mutations to improve beings of any shape and size.
I know evolution doesn't consciously decide 'hey this thing should have fins so it can swim more efficiently', but the intent of it is usually to improve the species, be it at a cost or not.

Nope, you still have it wrong. I've highlighted where you got Evolution wrong.

Evolution does not always improve. Evolution is random and does not have intent to improve. It's just mutations that improve have a tendency to stay as they would increase survival but that is not always the case.

[Mormolyce]

Okay, so let me get this straight:

Nature/Evolution has intention. Possible evidence > For millions of years creatures of all shapes and sizes have been occupied with their survival and, more importantly, that of their species. Perhaps with guilty pleasures here and there, but most likely as an afterthought. If nature/evolution didn't have such intentions, it's quite interesting how it could've built such a complex system just by (metaphorically) throwing a random rock in a random pond.

Nature/Evolution can't have intention. Evidence > Because I say so.

Just to make it clear...

Nature can't have intention because it isn't a person, it's just a word describing a huge array of collections of cells.