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    Thumbs up Sweden needs more immigrants to counter ageing population

    STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden needs more immigrants not fewer to sustain its cradle-to-grave welfare system and care for an ageing population, a senior official at the state employment service told Reuters in an interview.

    In 2015, a record 163,000 people sought asylum in Sweden, the highest per capita in Europe, part of an influx of more than a million people who entered the continent fleeing war and poverty.

    The pace of migration has worried some Swedes - the anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats party has seen its support surge - leading the country to introduce tough asylum laws. Applications are expected to drop by around 80 percent this year.
    However, without significant immigration, Sweden faces a labor shortage in the coming years, Hakan Gustavsson, head of forecasts at Sweden's Public Employment Agency said.

    "The addition to the labor force from abroad has alleviated the shortage we still see," he said. "It has increased economic activity in the country, whatever way you look at it, it has been an asset to have taken in so many born abroad."
    "The way forward is not to have less immigration."


    With a low birthrate and the proportion of retirees rising, Sweden needs immigration of 64,000 people per year on average to maintain the balance between those who are working and those who are drawing a pension, Gustavsson said.
    Sweden's population is expected to surpass 10 million next year, an increase of roughly 800,000 or nearly 9 percent in the last decade. Most of the increase has come from immigration.

    But last year's abrupt U-turn on generous asylum rules threatens to cut off much needed labor.
    The Migration Agency expects around 30,000 asylum applications this year and between 30,000 to 50,000 in 2017.
    A big challenge, however, will be to integrate immigrants into the labor market.

    Sweden's unemployment rate was 6.3 percent in the third quarter, according to the statistics office. Unemployment among foreign-born Swedes is closer to 15 percent.
    People born in Asia and Africa fare even worse with unemployment rates of 21 and 29 percent respectively.
    Gustavsson said many immigrants had little education making it hard for them to enter Sweden's job market, where there are few low-skilled jobs.

    "We need still these people," he said.

    "The challenge lies in integration. Education is a part but there is no silver bullet. Several policy areas must interact."
    http://www.businessinsider.com/r-swe...agency-2016-12

    Great article from Reuters.

    As much as some uneducated members of society may be against immigration, it really is telling that the experts in Sweden are advocating for increased immigration. For Sweden's sake, let's hope they do the right thing.

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    You should immigrate to Sweden Tennisace

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    This is interesting. Sweden need to bring in indentured servants to prop up the aging indigenous population.

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    Or instead you throw some money on young native familys and not immigrants that only seek uninployment/wellfare.

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    I have two dogs and they're too busy learning new tricks to breed. I should introduce wolves in my home to fix the problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by S7orm View Post
    I have two dogs and they're too busy learning new tricks to breed. I should introduce wolves in my home to fix the problem
    Wouldnt shakal suits better ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    http://www.businessinsider.com/r-swe...agency-2016-12

    Great article from Reuters.

    As much as some uneducated members of society may be against immigration, it really is telling that the experts in Sweden are advocating for increased immigration. For Sweden's sake, let's hope they do the right thing.
    We need JOB IMMIGRATION. Not...THIS immigration. We need working immigrants. Educated immigrants. Assimilating immigrants.
    We're not getting many of those.

    Ontop of that we're getting people with a cultural attitude towards things that is often completely opposite to the regular Swedish culture. In other words, they're ignorant and arrogant. Not because they're Muslims, but because they're literally uneducated and come from countries and cultures that quite frankly, are ignorant. And when they don't assimilate in the slightest, nothing changes. There's big reasons why areas heavy with immigrants are really bad places to live. It's not racism, it's not hate, it's the tragic reality.
    And those that are good workers, those that are good people, well...we send those away, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creamy Flames View Post
    We need JOB IMMIGRATION. Not...THIS immigration. We need working immigrants. Educated immigrants. Assimilating immigrants.
    We're not getting many of those.

    Ontop of that we're getting people with a cultural attitude towards things that is often completely opposite to the regular Swedish culture. In other words, they're ignorant and arrogant. Not because they're Muslims, but because they're literally uneducated and come from countries and cultures that quite frankly, are ignorant. And when they don't assimilate in the slightest, nothing changes. There's big reasons why areas heavy with immigrants are really bad places to live. It's not racism, it's not hate, it's the tragic reality.
    And those that are good workers, those that are good people, well...we send those away, apparently.
    That doesn't add up. We get immigrants from all over the world here who end up being successful and contributing to society.

    There's no reason why this model can't work in Sweden as well. Here in Canada we embrace multiculturalism and diversity and pitch in to help each other succeed.

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    No we don't, stop spreading lies.

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    This is the same biased story as you already reported in:
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...abour-shortage

    Combing the articles show that Sweden got 160k immigrants and need 64k, which mean that Sweden needs about 100k less than last year.

    And the facts don't support the statements about declining population: In 2015 the about 24k more were born than died in Sweden - the numbers are not even declining! The total fertility is estimated to be about 1.9 - indicating a lack of perhaps 7k persons per year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    That doesn't add up. We get immigrants from all over the world here who end up being successful and contributing to society.

    There's no reason why this model can't work in Sweden as well. Here in Canada we embrace multiculturalism and diversity and pitch in to help each other succeed.
    You pick and choose and take only the safe bets. That's why your numbers taken are so tiny compared to many European countries.

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    I would think Sweden would prefer their immigrants to be educated, hard-working, and easily able to live within Swedish society. So basically not the majority of the MENA immigrants that have come in.

    I would feel tempted to move to Sweden or Norway, but not with how many economic migrants they're taking in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    That doesn't add up. We get immigrants from all over the world here who end up being successful and contributing to society.

    There's no reason why this model can't work in Sweden as well. Here in Canada we embrace multiculturalism and diversity and pitch in to help each other succeed.
    There are many, many reasons. For one, you can't just slap Canada's policies on another country and expect them to apply. The world simply doesn't work like that.
    You really, really can't be so hillariously naive and ignorant to think that such a thing could ever work. YOu just can't.

    We're entirely different countries. Our economies don't compare. Our populations don't compare. Please forgive me when I say I can't demonstrate the absurd amount of differences that stops your idea from being applicable, because it's just far too much for me to ever wish to write about.
    I expect someone who discusses a topic to know the most basic things about it before they go into it. I don't want to have to educate you on a topic you started, on how the economies, cultures and policies of two different countries continents apart work.

    You don't live here. YOu don't know our situation. You understand nothing. You live in La La Land with no anchoring in reality.

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    Who needs war when you can take over a country via immigration?

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    Sweden is not a favorite place for immigrants

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    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    I would think Sweden would prefer their immigrants to be educated, hard-working, and easily able to live within Swedish society. So basically not the majority of the MENA immigrants that have come in.

    I would feel tempted to move to Sweden or Norway, but not with how many economic migrants they're taking in.
    Some of them actually are. I've met plenty. THey work their asses off and try their best, but the system just isn't there for them. And some times it even works against them.
    But yes, a majority of them most certainly aren't those people.

    Norway and Sweden would love to have you. You've got a great grasp in English, so communication wouldn't be a problem. In fact, I'm sure you could find jobs that require it. Both countries are very connected and international, so being bilingual or more is very useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incredibale View Post
    Who needs war when you can take over a country via immigration?
    Then ask your goverment to stop ruining immigrants country

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    Quote Originally Posted by TUNISIA- View Post
    Then ask your goverment to stop ruining immigrants country
    I don't disagree with that, but because of a certain religion, there will always be conflict in that area of the world even without western involvement.

    Further, they need to stay home and fight for their homelands. These "refugees" and "migrants" are neither, they are soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incredibale View Post
    I don't disagree with that, but because of a certain religion, there will always be conflict in that area of the world even without western involvement.

    Further, they need to stay home and fight for their homelands. These "refugees" and "migrants" are neither, they are soldiers.
    U cant ask old people or women to stay in the middle of battleground to face death

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    Quote Originally Posted by TUNISIA- View Post
    U cant ask old people or women to stay in the middle of battleground to face death
    But you can ask all the men in their 20s lying about being "unescorted minors" to go back and fight for their country instead of running away.

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