Trump suggests he would ditch F-35 in favor of cheaper plane

[Tijuana]

or you know, someone closer to Trump, and proving Trump gave someone an inside tip is far more difficult to prove.

But, people don't instigate a drop in stock price to sell their stock. They would do something like this to buy it on the low, or they would short it, which you use other people's stock for. This doesn't even make any sense. Much tinfoil, such conspiracy.

[mizeri]

we have f22's and f18's, hell i wish they kept the f14's, just keep upgrading those.

[akaTheDude]

agreed, f-35 was over priced and off schedule.
Now I wish we would keep building the A-10s

[Ripster42]

Trump doesn't have any stocks, if you believe his claim. He divested himself of all of them over the past year, out of some sort of vaguely explained fear.

Also, just because YOU don't have info about Trumps taxes or finances, doesn't mean Uncle Sam doesn't. If your tin foil claim is true, the SEC would nail him in about 10 seconds, which I'm sure they would love to do, since they are New Yorkers and likely Liberals.

Lastly, unless you are claiming he shorted the stock, the movement is in in the wrong direction. You don't sell a stock just before it goes down, when it's about to go down from your own actions. You would do something like this to buy it cheap, not sell it high. Just sayin...

It doesn't have to be trump's stock. It could be a person in his cabinet who did it who he was discussing the issue with. Trading on that knowledge is also insider trading. There doesn't have to be malice like instigating a price drop to sell stock. It could just be the realization that trump is going to say something stupid that will cause financial harm to a company, of which you own shares, and deciding to divest yourself. That's insider trading especially in light of the stock act.

[Tijuana]

It doesn't have to be trump's stock. It could be a person in his cabinet who did it who he was discussing the issue with. Trading on that knowledge is also insider trading. There doesn't have to be malice like instigating a price drop to sell stock. It could just be the realization that trump is going to say something stupid that will cause financial harm to a company, of which you own shares, and deciding to divest yourself. That's insider trading especially in light of the stock act.

Right but, what you are claiming, the stock is moving the wrong way. Buy low sell high, yes? But why sell on the high before bad news, when you have personal knowledge the bad news is temporary? This would be a really stupid way to exploit this inside info. A real inside trader, would either short someone else's shares, or buy on the low. What you surmise isn't at all how it would work out. Also, I'm pretty sure the folks over at the SEC have Twitter. We have people watching all of this. The notion that you have public info that the officials do not is pretty laughable, sorry.

[melodramocracy]

Maybe he can get Russia to build us some for less money.

[Stormspellz]

But, people don't instigate a drop in stock price to sell their stock. They would do something like this to buy it on the low, or they would short it, which you use other people's stock for. This doesn't even make any sense. Much tinfoil, such conspiracy.

Uh..what....if you know the stock is going to dip, you sell high. thats literally basics. and btw He still owns plenty of stocks. Last I checked he still owns the parent company stocks of the oil company thats dealing the pipeline protests (he did sell his direct stocks in that company so guess that's something...)

[Tijuana]

Uh..what....if you know the stock is going to dip, you sell high. thats literally basics.

A "dip" is temporary, and pointless if you know it's a dip. You don't seem to understand how this works. Needless to say, the SEC has Twitter. If this conspiracy theory is true, they will nail him.

[Varaben]

Deserves a re-post of this, which I started a thread about a week or so ago



Somebody dumps 869 shares, worth roughly roughly $25 Million, in Lockheed Martin mere minutes before Trump takes to twitter? Somehow, I don't think that is a coincidence.

What am I missing? 869 x $260 = $150k. Are the shares not common stock?

[Stormspellz]

Right but, what you are claiming, the stock is moving the wrong way. Buy low sell high, yes? But why sell on the high before bad news, when you have personal knowledge the bad news is temporary? This would be a really stupid way to exploit this inside info. A real inside trader, would either short someone else's shares, or buy on the low. What you surmise isn't at all how it would work out. Also, I'm pretty sure the folks over at the SEC have Twitter. We have people watching all of this. The notion that you have public info that the officials do not is pretty laughable, sorry.

Again, proving these things let alone through the barrier of the office of the president is not easy. Its very apparent someone knew Trump was going to make a rant that was going to cause a company to dip

[Varaben]

I see it this way. Do we really REALLY need the very top of the line overpriced tech? I mean if you buy one that is a little older you save a lot more right? It would be like having to buy that super computer when it will be cheaper and outdated in a year.

However, what you're missing is that just having the top of the line tech is defense in and of itself. If enemies knew we were downgrading our capabilities, what does that look like? It looks like we're weaker than we were yesterday. Yet if we continue to innovate, we look like a constantly upgrading, moving target.

There's a lot more than just dollars at stake here. People ask why does the US have as much military budget as the next 25 countries combined, and the answer is varied, but part of it is so that the world knows there's a big bully on the playground. If everyone was on the same budget, same capabilities, people are a little quicker to pull the trigger.

[Tijuana]

Again, proving these things let alone through the barrier of the office of the president is not easy. Its very apparent someone knew Trump was going to make a rant that was going to cause a company to dip

You are failing to understand how it works, sorry. If you wanted to exploit this info, you would have bought stock low, or shorted someone else's stock before. Selling your stock just before it goes down, when you have inside knowledge that the down is TEMPORARY, is factually the DUMBEST way one could use inside information, if you can even call it that in this circumstance.

[Stormspellz]

You are failing to understand how it works, sorry. If you wanted to exploit this info, you would have bought stock low, or shorted someone else's stock before. Selling your stock just before it goes down, when you have inside knowledge that the down is TEMPORARY, is factually the DUMBEST way one could use inside information, if you can even call it that in this circumstance.

what if the with same information source you know it won't be temporary? there are many unknowns in the situation, but its ridiculously suspicious. And giving Trump and those close to him track record this completely legitimately believable.

[Tijuana]

what if the with same information source you know it won't be temporary? there are many unknowns in the situation, but its ridiculously suspicious. And giving Trump and those close to him track record this completely legitimately believable.

Bad PR from Trump often leads to a slight dip in the value. Boeing stock did the same thing as this, down then quickly back up same day. If someone did have inside info on this, they would have done things differently. They would have both shorted it, and bought on the low. Also, it takes two to make a trade. There are limits to how much of any stock is available, and how many buyers for it are available at any given time.

[alexw]

Poppycock. Trump is very smart. He's smarter on military matters than our own generals.

He's smarter than everyone, even God. That's why he's the God-King, because he's just too smart to be only a God.

[Stormspellz]

Bad PR from Trump often leads to a slight dip in the value. Boeing stock did the same thing as this, down then quickly back up same day. If someone did have inside info on this, they would have done things differently. They would have both shorted it, and bought on the low. Also, it takes two to make a trade. There are limits to how much of any stock is available, and how many buyers for it are available at any given time.

would you at least admit someone dropping that much right before trump twit rant is at least suspicious?

[Tijuana]

would you at least admit someone dropping that much right before trump twit rant is at least suspicious?

Of course not, because it isn't. I already explained to you that suspicious activity would look every different, and how. This is pure tin foil being spread by conspiracy theorists. Even if Trump did what I say a smart insider trader would do, we have an agency that watchdogs, the SEC. They have Twitter. This Twitter poster doesn't have info the SEC does not.

[Stormspellz]

Of course not, because it isn't. I already explained to you that suspicious activity would look every different, and how. This is pure tin foil being spread by conspiracy theorists. Even if Trump did what I say a smart insider trader would do, we have an agency that watchdogs, the SEC. They have Twitter. This Twitter poster doesn't have info the SEC does not.

Hillary was figuratively hanged for less. So I guess we will agree to disagree.

[CostinR]

Build F-22s if you want a proper stealth plane. The F-35 is useless.

[Tijuana]

Hillary was figuratively hanged for less. So I guess we will agree to disagree.

So, you are accepting the conspiracy theory that, just before Trump Tweets, that a person sells stock, for "reasons", and said person therefore MUST have been Trump. I mean the leaps of faith in this conspiracy theory are just massive....

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Build F-22s if you want a proper stealth plane. The F-35 is useless.

What good is a jet you share with others? Make one that beats theirs, and keep it to ourselves, imo.