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I am not talking about saving too. That is the basic formula real estate agents use to see if you can "afford" the place. If you were making a monthly investment or contribution to savings, it would go in the two weeks for bills section.
I would also be surprised if someone making 15$/HR was eligible for any type of social services.
are you joking now ? you want to make better then minimal wage ? go to welding school or something you will have better wage then minimum - jezus christ how lazy people are nowadays. some countries really need to cut down on welfare because itsaparently forminf breeding ground generations of jobless people.
waht costs ? investing into yourself ? ofc it cost - thats why ambitious people leave uni with 100-500k $ debt that they pay off for next years in order to have better jobs . look at lawyers doctors how much debt they have in beginign to pay before they start making really good salary .
all i see in this thread is "gimme gimme stuff - you own to me because im breathing" fuck sake its so annoying.
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So a livable wage. What is the criteria for what constitutes a living wage? Just cause people throw that word around a lot I'm curious what people in this thread what a person should be able to afford on a living wage.
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people have this stupid notion that slavery dissapeared - no it didnt - all coutries still have the cast of psuedo-slaves - they are free to leave but due to their lack of skills they will be pseudo-slaves everywhere they go - hint - its those who make minimum wages. just cause its called different and you have illusion of freedom it doesnt change fact that they are working as slaves to upper tier of citizens.
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simple by taking a loan - take a loan invest into yourself and get better job - that how milions of people get out of powerty. hell i bet that if you looked well your local unemplyemnt office would send you to some simple courses which would provide you with valuable skills. but it requires will to change something. hell make licence for operating the forklift here you go you will get better salary then magazine workers who cant legaly operate it. possiblities are endless people are just lazy
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It is entirely possible to live on minimum wage, depending on your geographical location, WITHOUT government assistance. I was merely stating that there are programs out there to help you, if you qualify (which, someone making minimum wage with a family would) This is about survival, bear minimum. Home, utilities, (most cover water / garbage collection) food. That's all you need.
Social programs are basically there to help enrich your life slightly, so you can have a TV, maybe a car (all be it a junker, but it runs and gets you to a to b and back)
I think people need to keep in mind that while minimum wage requires a different style of living, and yet, there are a few million people here illegally making just that and are glad they do because where they come from, what we make an hour, is probably what they make a day or even a week.
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IMHO, Home, food, water, clean clothes, power, car/public transportation what else do you need to LIVE?
Where did they get those numbers for that map? And are they just taking the price of a 1 bedroom in every city in that state then dividing by number of cities? Are they only using the most expensive city? I need a source please.
Those questions aside, you can't expect to live off of minimum wage and have a apartment, car, etc and still have any money left over. What is the point of working 54+ hours to be able to "afford" a place to live if you are working 54+ hours a week?
I believe this is nation wide, but you get 3 sick days per year paid. Medical bills, assuming you are making minimum wage, you are most likely get health care thru obamacare / medicaid which provides free or nearly free medical coverage.
Back in the old days, people immigrated from Europe to the United States with far less in their pockets and zero social programs to help them.
That's under the assumption that everything works out. Just because you invest in yourself doesn't mean that things magically turn out in the end. Shit happens and there is a far better chance of shit happening and all that money you spent being unable to pay back then the chance of it working out and you smelling like roses at the end. Honestly it is a far smarter plan to not invest in yourself and just try to get by , rather than getting 200k in debt in some random ass college that may not get you any of the experience needed to even get that job to even get out of debt.
There are so many chances for shit to go wrong by putting yourself in debt just when there is only a near zero chance for things to work out. I'm not sure what magic fantasy land you live, but the scenario you described works out for maybe 1/10 people. Working on yourself doesn't magically make your life better.
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well i would hope in 110 years of modernization that we've managed to go from having no social programs to having some form of social programs. also 3 paid sick days a year is almost laughable.
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i'm going to guess because it's mostly mountains. therefore there isn't much available land.
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The OP never said you can live comfortably on minimum wage. The OP said that it was possible to survive for extended periods of time on minimum wage.
You just changed the discussion on page 59 to whatever, and I responded to you.
I guess my apparent inability to read is not so apparent. At least it's enough to land me into a higher than minimum wage paying job.
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So what? What does this have to do with anything? There are higher level jobs available, people just don't have the skillset, nor intend to develop the skillset to step into them.
Can't speak for anywhere else, but my roommate makes $18/hr in southern california and he gets lowered healthcare costs, food stamps, and discounts on water/gas bills. Granted, not as much as someone getting minimum wage, but he gets some assistance. He could also get more affordable housing from the state, but instead he gets that from me
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Yes I can read it, and you just told me that these companies/factories/restaurants exist. That means that higher skill jobs exist. Any job is available if you prove that you're capable of doing it. If you are talented in excel (guess what no degree required and youtube which I bet every single human being has access to even with Min wage), you can get a job in any restaurant, factory or company at a higher level than minimum wage.
Basically, you have 10K people who are content staying at the lowest possible level. This is my point. Low level jobs exist because people are extremely content staying at the lowest possible level and therefore it's cheap as fuck for companies and factories to exploit this 10K population who don't move.
Btw this happens at every level that I can see. My manager has checked the fuck out, and is perfectly content where he is at. He makes zero attempt to push for anything. As a result, he hasn't been promoted in years. I don't see how people are okay with that.
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How is that possible
18$/hr would be 20 work days x 8 hours x 18 = 2880 a month. income limits on food stamps in CA is $1962.00 for an individual.
unless he is not working a full week.
He would not qualify for housing assistance, and if he did work only 20 hours a month he would still be on a long list below Families, single moms and disabled....before they even got to him for housing assistant which, is NEVER.
He also does not qualify for utility assistance at 18 dollars an hour, if working more then 30 hours he will be over the income limit.
I got quite a few job offers actually. I showed a nursing company a staffing model in excel and was offered a position.
The intern I trained this prior summer got a promotion at her restaurant where she was a waiter, and now she manages their invoices in excel at a pay upgrade as she finishes school.
And yes, enough would exist for every single person. You don't understand demand. There is a huge demand for individuals with specific skill sets.
Every workplace is missing critical thinkers.
With the rise of baby boomers alone:
Doctors are going to be in high demand.
Nurses are going to be in high demand.
Healthcare technicians are going to be in high demand.
With the improvements in tech:
Data analysts are going to be high demand.
Anyone who can do high school level math, and forecast, and do some basic number crunching are going to be in high demand.
People to manage the above are going to be in high demand.
Plumbers are in high demand.
Welders are in high demand.
Electricians are in high demand.
People who can market to huge demographics using data is going to be in high demand.
You just have a huge fucking population that have no skills.
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I believe? You're working on the state wide requirements. In Orange County the requirements are much more lenient, since it's quite expensive to live here.
I don't receive any benefits, nor have I ever applied, so I'm no expert in the matter, but I know for a fact he gets food stamps, because he has that Golden State card with mountains and the ocean, which is the same one my mom has.
For house, I also could have received assistance until my most recent job. Like you said, there is a list of people who get it first, but if you make less than 55k as an individual(in Orange County), you are eligible to apply and get assistance. You get priority if your homeless/lower income as well.
Utility, he recently lost for whatever reason. But he had it before he moved in with me. I'm guessing he lost it when becoming my roommate.
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