Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan 'has EVIDENCE US is supporting ISIS'

[Felya]

Video proof is undeniable:

https://youtu.be/bZemQdvthBs

[Slant]

So, where is the evidence? It's not evidence if you don't show it. As long as he keeps it secret, it's just some bullshit propaganda trick.

[Gref]

@Slant of course it is bullshit propaganda trick. He has been doing this since last year. Until he gets his one-man rule dictatorship, he will continue spewing bullshit.

[Tijuana]

I wasn't aware that the Terrace of Endless Springs had aircraft carriers. You think you would notice that.

It has them on mythic. =p

[Felya]

So, where is the evidence? It's not evidence if you don't show it. As long as he keeps it secret, it's just some bullshit propaganda trick.

I think you are looking for evidence of the wrong thing. Rhetoric that is against the west works. When US elects an isolationist who bemoans the UN, how is this rhetoric not working? The evidance of it working is undeniable.

If it wasn't for thanksgiving, I'd build a wall around turkey. /rimshot

[Deleted]

4 years of this lol

I wholly agree. This might've started under Obamas administration aided by Clinton but that doesn't mean it is his fault or will be in the future. The question here isn't who caused it anymore either or why it happened, it's solely how Trump will deal with this problem!

[Felya]

@Slant of course it is bullshit propaganda trick. He has been doing this since last year. Until he gets his one-man rule dictatorship, he will continue spewing bullshit.

How is it a trick, when the president elect claims US is funding ISIS as well?

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I wholly agree. This might've started under Obamas administration aided by Clinton but that doesn't mean it is his fault or will be in the future. The question here isn't who caused it anymore either or why it happened, it's solely how Trump will deal with this problem!

Easy, he will stop the funding. It's pretty easy to do... just say you did it...

[The Stormbringer]

It would be for the US, if they had to face NATO. And they would have no other choice, because Art.5 is clearly defined.

Considering the U.S. supplies roughly 75% of NATOs forces, I sincerely doubt that.

Edrogan is a scumbag who purged a ridiculous amount of political opponents and 'dissidents' in the extremely weak coup that happened not so long ago. Don't forget, this is the guy trying to undo everything secular about his nation, the guy who supports religious extremists. Of course he's going to claim that the U.S., the biggest opponent of such things, is in on it to try and discredit us.

[Deleted]

Easy, he will stop the funding. It's pretty easy to do... just say you did it...

It doesn't change that right now his bombs are raining on Aleppo and his security apparatus is funding ISIS. Even if he stops the funding right away, the weapons already delivered there will keep destroying lifes all throughout his presidency which means it'll leave a bloody mark on history from the get go.

Edrogan is a scumbag who purged a ridiculous amount of political opponents and 'dissidents' in the extremely weak coup that happened not so long ago. Don't forget, this is the guy trying to undo everything secular about his nation, the guy who supports religious extremists. Of course he's going to claim that the U.S., the biggest opponent of such things, is in on it to try and discredit us.

All of this is solely character assasination towards Erdogan. You are judging him and Turkey from an outsiders perspective and an assumed position of moral superiority. You might not like what he is doing but he is very much doing what the mayority of the Turkish people want as they keep supporting him.

Just because you do not like the culture and religion doesn't mean these people aren't well within their rights to decide for themselves what they want to do or to assume either of these to be in any kind of way worse than the alternatives. You have to remember that these things are very much relative.

[Felya]

It doesn't change that right now his bombs are raining on Aleppo and his security apparatus is funding ISIS. Even if he stops the funding right away, the weapons already delivered there will keep destroying lifes all throughout his presidency which means it'll leave a bloody mark on history from the get go.

Yes, but for it to be true, Trump just has to say it is. Everything else is western media lies.

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Considering the U.S. supplies roughly 75% of NATOs forces, I sincerely doubt that.

Edrogan is a scumbag who purged a ridiculous amount of political opponents and 'dissidents' in the extremely weak coup that happened not so long ago. Don't forget, this is the guy trying to undo everything secular about his nation, the guy who supports religious extremists. Of course he's going to claim that the U.S., the biggest opponent of such things, is in on it to try and discredit us.

Yeah, it also echoes the prevalent assertion of the incoming administration. It just encourages our all out withdrawal to let him do what ever he wants.

[Deleted]

Yeah, it also echoes the prevalent assertion of the incoming administration. It just encourages our all out withdrawal to let him do what ever he wants.

On what basis would you have a right to stop him or the Turkish people from asserting their own will and self determination. Imperialistic ambitions are no justification for such a thing. The best way is to try and etablish a new cooperation based on the changing circumstances in Turkey rather than to assume moral authority and force them to live according to the standards you see as right and just. So a temporary withdrawal doesn't seem like such a bad choice.

[Khaza-R]

Considering the U.S. supplies roughly 75% of NATOs forces, I sincerely doubt that.

Edrogan is a scumbag who purged a ridiculous amount of political opponents and 'dissidents' in the extremely weak coup that happened not so long ago. Don't forget, this is the guy trying to undo everything secular about his nation, the guy who supports religious extremists. Of course he's going to claim that the U.S., the biggest opponent of such things, is in on it to try and discredit us.

The same US that has purposely tried to topple multiple secular regimes to install Islamist ones?

[Kreo]

Or you could just learn of what Stalin was planning, before you continue arguing... You seem to have zero idea. Hitler knew, but Stalin didn't expect Hitler to betray first.

Maybe you need Stalins quote before you believe? Ok. http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scr...lwarplans.html



You say he got nothing right? Ok

Almost already equals what Hitler sent months later towards Russia. But you wanted him to give Stalin more time, because Stalin in your opinion was planning nothing, right?

Your link containing info with Victor Suvorov as an author, who claim to be a historian but nothing but a fiction author. He had been proven lying on many occasion, google it.

If this is where your source material and general history knowledge coming from, you might as well learn from bumperstickers

[ArmoredDragoon]

It would be for the US, if they had to face NATO.

And what would NATO do? Invade the US? That hasn't worked out very well for anybody who has tried it.

[Raven]

ISIS sports tons of American gear. The theory until now is that they were getting them indirectly from Syria opposition.

Yeah tons of gear and probably Turkey that bought it from USA and then sold it to ISIS for more money to get extra profit.

[Zelk]

whats next ? Evidence that the US destabilized the Middle East ? Lost Vietnam ? Put down 2 of their Own Building so they can go to War ?

Breaking News: USA is Evil. has been and will always be a Nation of Warmongers

Wake me up if you got something new for the World.

infracted - trolling

hmm I wonder where the mod who infracted this poster is from

[Calfredd]

hmm I wonder where the mod who infracted this poster is from

Not where you think they are from.

[Auxora]

Erdogan has been mad at the US for not extraditing the cleric Fethullah Gülen (Erdogan's primary political opposition) to Turkey. So that's what's behind it. As far as ISIS goes, they're happy to use any weapons they can find or steal. The US has given all kinds of weapons to the Iraqi military, which ISIS then raided and used. The same has been true with Syrian anti-Assad rebels.

It's why arming both the Iraqi military and Syrian rebels is a failed strategy since 1/2 the time they end up in the wrong hands, and trying to arm "moderate" groups is hit and miss. But US arms in the hands of ISIS were captured, not given.

Considering Erdogan orchestrated a badly faked coup to strengthen his power, his credibility is far fetched as it is. This is also a guy that built a golden palace for himself with Turkish government money like something from 1700's France.

[Hiricine]

If hes referring to the US weapons that the State Department basically handed to ISIS, thats not news to anyone.

[Risale]

It's no secret that the US will often arm groups in order to disrupt certain countries. Is it a good idea? I haven't the slightest clue.

Yup they supplied Osama Bin Laden & Saddam Hussein for years without any issues.....................oh wait.