Ariana Grande speaks out about objectification after fan encounter

[Dug]

Act and look like garbage, get treated like garbage.

Again with this same logic. Do porn stars that do rape fetish scenes deserve to be raped? You can just treat people with the smallest amount of respect, y'know? I mean I don't like the woman but I wouldn't "treat her like garbage".

[Molis]

Hahahahaha. No way. I had no idea who she was. She dresses like this and talks about objectification. XD I love these people. They are so mentally fucked.

Dress in next to nothing.
Grind your way up the pop charts.
Get pissed when someone looks at practically all of your breasts showing, or most of your ass hanging out.

Seems reasonable.

This is in line with Amy Schumer claiming a 18 year old writing an article whore shamed her.

Certain career choices come with baggage. Deal with it.

[frogger237]

I wouldnt object to being called sexy or any other variety based on appearance if Im being told that directly, because Ariana does dress sexy and is attractive. However, the fact she was ignored and it was told to her bf is absolutely creepy and a bit fucked up. Thats where the objection should lie imo.

It could have something to do with the type of people mac miller appeals to, but it could also just have been like any other celebrity where when a fan comes up to them they ignore the people around the celebrity and focus on their idol like no one else is there. And if this is the first time shes been treated like that, I gotta say thats pretty good considering the hundreds of thousands of people she has been around.

[Dug]

Why are you avoiding his (correct) assessment with your (also correct) advice on opinion?

You know its a fallacy to point out someone fallacies in order to avoid actually engaging in their discussion correct?

I am a different person so let me come out and ask you this point blank.

If you have a celebrity, lets say Nicki Manaj, who built up their career on being a skank (literally): Do you think they have the right to complain when one of their fans or someone treats them like a skank?

Yes, they do have the right. Is Ariana pushing for legislation to outlaw crude comments or something? She found something gross, she expressed her opinion. And now you are... and I am... funny how that works.

[Phookah]

And those people are wrong, because their opinion has no substantial ground besides 'muh fee fees'.

Which, ironically, is your entire argument.
"People shouldn't treat someone the way they present themselves to the world! It's just an act and it shouldn't change your perceptions of them!"

Ignoring the fact that the way people SHOULD act and the way people DO act are two completely different things.

In a perfect world a woman could walk around in booty shorts all she wants and never be objectified, but however in our current world that isn't the case. Recognizing that and changing your behavior/attitude is key.

TL;DR You can act as sexy/horrible/dumb/smart as you want, but don't be surprised when people who don't understand the differences between who you are/who you act like treat you accordingly.

[Captain N]

Have you watched a single Ariana Grande music video or listened to any (with an exception of about 5 ) of Ariana Grande's songs?

I know when she is on stage she is putting on a fictional character, how the fuck can you expect to sing abut being fucked in the pussy and then get upset when someone says that you are attractive and he can understand why another star would fuck her in the pussy? Like. Is this Bazarro world? Whats going to happen next? Is Amy Schumer going to shame a fan for playing on her slut meme that she literally built her entire career on?

Cool I built my entire career on trains -- You start discussing those with me outside of work and I'm going to get pissed off at ya. She sells an image...that's her job...a job she's paid well for. This concept that she should be treated like she's not even present outside of work is mind boggling. Would you feel OK if I sat down next to you at a bar, looked over at your wife, and said...man she's hot I'd fuck her. I seriously doubt you or your wife would be taking very kindly to that...even if she was a celebrity.

[Elegiac]

Wait and you've substantiated what so far? All I see if your feelings on the matter aka your opinion. Your white knighting is definitely showing through and I'll let you in on a little secret Ariana Grande isn't reading these forums. She isn't going to send you a thank you note for defending her.

Apparently people cannot have opinions regarding sexuality and objectification without being a white knight.

But hey, it's about ethics in celebrity journalism.

[Crissi]

It could have something to do with the type of people mac miller appeals to, but it could also just have been like any other celebrity where when a fan comes up to them they ignore the people around the celebrity and focus on their idol like no one else is there. And if this is the first time shes been treated like that, I gotta say thats pretty good considering the hundreds of thousands of people she has been around.

Sure, although its still rather gross.

[Creotor]

Meh. Sure, it's not cool what he did, and this is an instance of particularly brazen objectification, but it is in no way tied to women only. I've been objectified in a non-sexual way, in a work setting, where people looked at me as a tool to get something done. Didn't feel the need to make the world aware of my feelings and yell loudly about the horrible ordeal (yes, the last two words are sarcasm). Hell, very few people ever go through a day full of interaction with others without being objectified and/or objectifying to some extent.
And her occupation doesn't help much either.

Disgusting individual.

I see what you did there.

[Total Crica]

random fan =/= bf buddy.

Oh, missed that part, thanks!

She still wasn't entitled to be talked to by said fan or entitled to only hearing what she wanted to hear.

[Jester Joe]

"Hello Mack, it's an honor. Ariana, beautiful as always, pleasure to meet you."

If you MUST make a comment about someone's appearance, at least have some class.

Pretty much.

Even IF somehow people want to twist this into a "Well, she's provocative anyway, and she acts trashy!", that doesn't mean you shouldn't act appropriate, or act in a similar way.

[AeneasBK]

I see what you did there.

I was just refering to someone who licks a donut then puts it back on the shelf.

[bigsav1]

Apparently people cannot have opinions regarding sexuality and objectification without being a white knight.

But hey, it's about ethics in celebrity journalism.

But according to you I'm not aloud to have an opinion at all because "reasons" and then you come back with more finger wagging acting like you're right and I'm wrong without telling me how that is.

[Total Crica]

"Hello Mack, it's an honor. Ariana, beautiful as always, pleasure to meet you."

If you MUST make a comment about someone's appearance, at least have some class.

Why does it have to be said that way? Because you can't handle any other way? That's your problem, deal with it.

[Crissi]

Yeah. I feel you. You need to go into the ghettos and teach us animals some class, right?

I mean if you're going to talk like that, dont expect to be treated with respect in return.

[Strangebrew]

But according to you I'm not aloud to have an opinion at all because "reasons" and then you come back with more finger wagging acting like you're right and I'm wrong without telling me how that is.

He's one of the biggest SJW's on this forum, what do you expect.
Better off ignoring his verbal vomit.

[Dug]

Yeah. I feel you. You need to go into the ghettos and teach us animals some class, right?

Well somebody ought to teach y'all some basic manners at the very least.

[Elegiac]

TL;DR You can act as sexy/horrible/dumb/smart as you want, but don't be surprised when people who don't understand the differences between who you are/who you act like treat you accordingly.

And your point is...what.

The issue is with idiots claiming 'oh, people are assholes and it's never going to change'. Of course it isn't going to change if the predominant attitude is giving dickheads a free pass rather than, you know, promoting the idea that dressing or acting in a certain way neither makes you a bad person nor justifies slights against you.

But hey, it doesn't affect you therefore it isn't a problem, right?

[Kathandira]

I wouldnt object to being called sexy or any other variety based on appearance if Im being told that directly, because Ariana does dress sexy and is attractive. However, the fact she was ignored and it was told to her bf is absolutely creepy and a bit fucked up. Thats where the objection should lie imo.

Hit the nail on the head. He spoke about her, but completely ignored the fact that she was present.

[Kathandira]

Yeah. I feel you. You need to teach some class

Fixed that for ya.