Which is the problem.
The average, which is average for a reason ; Pays less.
You literally get punished for climbing higher. To the extent of being able to make 4-5 times the pay, for the same position, in another country. When the relative costs, is approx 2-3 times higher. Leaving you with more money, regardless.
I actually counted on this, the relativity of worth of living in New York - One of the most expensive places in the world, to live. And the numbers crunched out, that with a pay of 15k Dollars a month, you will still have more relative purchasing power, than that of making 35k swedish a month, for the same job.
So, the discussion becomes really just, if you condense it - "Why should you, invest half of your pay (read: 50% taxes on the higher echilons) for services that are poorly rendered (7 months waiting time for Healthcare you already payed for, lol)?
Because of imagined morals? Because of that you will, feel better with a conciousness of making less, but having imagined moral highground?
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Why work if the state gives you everything you need for free?
I like this reality.
Sig worthy.
For the record, it isn't. It's based on the idea that, that if you give up money that you could've used for consumption today, that you should be compensated with more in the future to make up for that foregone opportunity. Also, it's based on the idea if you loan something, you should be paid back.
Interest.
Hardly anyone pays that 56% as you make want it to sound like. And quite frankly the taxes have been lowered far to much in Sweden by the Reinfeldt administration. Just look around you and you can see the disaster that Reinfeldts former wife created for the healthcare in Stockholm. grossly underfunded and a new hospital that cost how many billions over budget?
We need to stop the waste of taxpayer money with freebie giveaways to the rich which is what taxcuts are nothing more nothing less and i can promise you those taxcuts didnt create a single job during the Reinfeldt era.
the 56% you are trying to pound of as the tax rate in Sweden only applies on income above 615,700 SEK which i can promise you is an extremely high income and basically NOONE that is a regular worker is making that much money
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"We stand upon the shoulders of giants"
The level of entrepreneurship of today would not be possible without the infrastructure that exists in modern countries. E.g. Free health-care translates into healthier workforce, which is good for business; free education translates into a more educated workforce, which is good for business - and the list could go on.
The rich pay more because they generally have benefited more and will benefit more. But there are also other factors at play in the case of Sweden, namely a strong commitment to solidarity.
"In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." Paradox of tolerance
In a sense, Sweden is on the right track of targeted Tax Cuts being absolute shit. Those are what we call "Tax Expenditures" and the money from those obviously needs to come from somewhere, usually in the form of higher taxes so the cut itself is made moot.
Less targeted cuts/breaks means a simpler tax code, a simpler tax code means less man-power in order to administer and enforce it. Which then translates to a more efficient tax system that takes less money, thus resulting in lower taxes for EVERYONE! Or resulting in money that can be better spent on other areas such as health and education.
So yes, the "feminist" Government is on to something. But perhaps you should pay a little more attention and try not to hide behind your fear of this mystical boogey-man.
Now, to be honest, I can't read Swedish so I can only base my thoughts off the very poor translated version.
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Having looked through it, from my vague understanding of Economics, the US still trumps a lot of other countries.
I don't know where you get your data from, but even basic napkin math yields this to be true, at least when accounting for New York (Which is one of the most expensive places in the world to live in) compared to Sweden (Sweden being a solid economy)
Assuming you yield a high pay job ; But that's the general trend of the US overall, like i said, if you are poor, you are f-ed.
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So many butthurt swedes. As a canadian, I pay about 36% tax, which is already a hell of a lot more than I'd like to, but we still have good healthcare at least. If I was paying 50% i'd just find an excuse to quit working and live off the backs of others. Fuck that noise. If i make $500k a year, why should $150k go to the government? Taxes should be a percent, with a cap on it. No loopholes, no write offs, no other bullshit. Just tax everyone the same percent, and make a cap so people who make better choices aren't being penalized. I work 84 hours a week+. I want that money I sacrificed my life for. I want it for a nice vacation, nice home, nice vehicles and toys, and to be able to retire and Enjoy the rest of my life as a worn out old man once I'm 50 or so. That's not selfish, it's MY time i'm sacrificing, for MY money. Fuck off with all these extra social programs. Keep a good healthcare system in place, after that stay out of my pockets
That's because you are obliged to pay for the social infrastructure that allows you to safely amass that amount of wealth to begin with. And if you refuse you, you are welcome to move to a nation that you don't have to pay as much taxes because they don't have said infrastructure to protect you and your interests, like Somalia.
"My successes are my own, but my failures are due to extremist leftist liberals" - Party of Personal Responsibility
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Economically speaking, the best time to lower taxes is when the economy is having issues. Then you raise taxes when the economy is running well. That way taxation acts as a natural stimulator and brake. I wish countries would adopt a variable tax rate, wherein people pay a base amount that's modified by the GDP so it happens without direct government action every time.
You're not allowed to discuss conspiracy theories on mmo-champion, which makes me wonder what they're trying to hide.
The US bureacracy is the most wasteful entity that has ever existed. Every single office exists to spend every last dollar allotted so they can request more funding for the next year whether they need it or not. All more taxes does is allow agencies to waste even more money. I can't depend on the government to spend my tax dollars efficiently. A bunch of fucking idiots. Our taxes just get sent into a money shredder.
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What you're saying is that the government uses the money that you earn better on your behalf than you do. That's a premise that's quite telling what you think about yourself and your fellow citizens.
On principle, I'm an advocate of a reasonably pure capitalism with health insurance and a basic social net. However, in a world where banks and car companies and energy suppliers are somehow too big to fail and need and receive absurd bailouts, we might as well tax them till they bleed in those times when they actually are turning a profit.