France bans child beating

[Gilgemesh]

This is one of those things where we had a good idea....Don't beat your kids.
Then we took it and went too far. Just like most movements, we start out handling big problems....like parents giving their kids solid beatings with sticks that scarred them for life.... then started nitpicking for smaller and smaller and smaller things, many of which are non issues...but for the movement to FEEL like it's still doing something, it has to focus on something new...and spanking is next on the list. same thing with the political correctness movement and just about every movement in the last 50+ years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNWcDXE5POU

[Jokerfiend]

Never understand the liberal left. Totally cool to scramble your unborn babies brains and suck em out into a vacuum and stick em in a trash bin. But don't smack em on the ass when they are out of control.... smh

Physical deterrent to wrong doing has been done since the dawn of human existence. It's been proven as a cheap and highly effective learning tool with minimal consequences when used correctly.

More importantly , it shouldn't be another persons and therefore the governments job to determine how you punish your child. Thank god I live in the good old Us of A.

Why is your child out of control?

You ask yourself this question first, and you will find you can control the behavior better without using violence.

[Deleted]

"We were ignorant for a long time and that's the way I like it! Get your damn learning out of here!"

Being progressive is a scary prospect to some.

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Blaming millennials for everything is basically a meme at this point.

When an entire generation whining about "God damn kids" live long enough to pass on the whining to the next.

Interestingly enough, just as how the beatings concept was passed forward.

[Crissi]

See, you can't tell the difference. One because you allowed yourself to be abused because you didn't know the difference and, 2, you see no problem with inflicting violence to teach a lesson.

I know abuse as a child. Not spankings, not slap on the wrists, but bloody nose, cuts on over the eye and black eyes. Hit so many times I can't sit down. Bruises from getting choked out and thrown up and down stairs.

You need to read. Read. Read peer reviewed studies on Corporal Punishment and its effectiveness. Then come back and tell me how wrong your parents were. It will honestly change your mind.

But you won't, because you are OK with violence. Because I'm sure the abuse you went through sure taught you a lot right?

Corporal Punishment DOES NOT WORK IN THE LONG RUN.

uh, yes I can tell. spankings, if done properly, are not abuse. The problem is many don't do it properly by over using it, using tools, and use too much force. If people cant do it properly, it shouldn't be done at all because it can go into abuse territory. If you have a temper problem, spanking s should not be done at all. 2 slaps with an open hand on the bum with light force is what I got.

I read the studies. I'm still ok with the spankings done to me, although not the actual abuse of stuff thrown at me, getting into fist fights, having a spatula used, ect..

I mean you can say "You're gonna change i swearz it and Im right" til you're blue in the face, but you'd be wrong on that. Ive done my research. Nothing in my mind changes.

[Kapadons]

"We were ignorant for a long time and that's the way I like it! Get your damn learning out of here!"

Ah yes.... the moral superiority complex. Your only defense. "I'm smarter than you and know what's good for you"

Again, when used correctly, there is no negative consequence. So explain to me again why the government should tell a parent they can't do it ?

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Why is your child out of control?

You ask yourself this question first, and you will find you can control the behavior better without using violence.

Said by someone who clearly has never had kids.

Because they are kids. They literally don't know the difference between right and wrong. Sometimes a time out is effective. Sometimes grounding or taking away a favorite toy. Sometimes a stern talking to. And sometimes , a firm swat on the ass is the only way.

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uh, yes I can tell. spankings, if done properly, are not abuse. The problem is many don't do it properly by over using it, using tools, and use too much force. If people cant do it properly, it shouldn't be done at all because it can go into abuse territory. If you have a temper problem, spanking s should not be done at all. 2 slaps with an open hand on the bum with light force is what I got.

I read the studies. I'm still ok with the spankings done to me, although not the actual abuse of stuff thrown at me, getting into fist fights, ect..

I mean you can say "You're gonna change i swearz it and Im right" til you're blue in the face, but you'd be wrong on that. Ive done my research. Nothing in my mind changes.

And if you did read the research, you'd find that there is no conclusive evidence suggesting that it works ; not even behaviorism.

Also, if you won't change your mind on a subject, does that not defeat the point to discuss it? It sounds like a failed prospect before it even begins, then.

"I'll talk about this thing, But no matter the amount of information thrown at me, i will NEVER consider that i could be wrong - And i will tell people this! Loudly! Time upon time!"

????????????????

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Ah yes.... the moral superiority complex. Your only defense. "I'm smarter than you and know what's good for you"

Again, when used correctly, there is no negative consequence. So explain to me again why the government should tell a parent they can't do it.

Prove it.
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[Jokerfiend]

This is one of those things where we had a good idea....Don't beat your kids.
Then we took it and went too far. Just like most movements, we start out handling big problems....like parents giving their kids solid beatings with sticks that scarred them for life.... then started nitpicking for smaller and smaller and smaller things, many of which are non issues...but for the movement to FEEL like it's still doing something, it has to focus on something new...and spanking is next on the list. same thing with the political correctness movement and just about every movement in the last 50+ years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNWcDXE5POU

You think Corporal Punishment is a niche problem? Gotcha.

[Crissi]

And if you did read the research, you'd find that there is no conclusive evidence suggesting that it works ; not even behaviorism.

Also, if you won't change your mind on a subject, does that not defeat the point to discuss it? It sounds like a failed prospect before it even begins, then.

"I'll talk about this thing, But no matter the amount of information thrown at me, i will NEVER consider that i could be wrong - And i will tell people this! Loudly! Time upon time!"

????????????????

I came in here to give my opinion. I'm fine with talking about it, because there is always a small chance to change my mind, such as has happened with pet declawing and circumcision.

also, debating is fun

[Masark]

Again, when used correctly, there is no negative consequence.

You keep asserting this, but the evidence presented in this thread says the direct opposite.

[Jokerfiend]

I mean you can say "You're gonna change i swearz it and Im right" til you're blue in the face, but you'd be wrong on that. Ive done my research. Nothing in my mind changes.

Exactly, because you are Ok with using violence on children to teach them a lesson.

Which proves a point that abuse passes down generations through use. Because "I turned out alright." Or "I'm Ok with my spankings."

If you honestly did the reading and it still didn't change your mind. Then I fear for your offspring, for science is useless in changing their mothers opinion. It's some closeminded shit right there.

[alexw]

Blaming millennials for everything is basically a meme at this point.

That makes no sense at all. Millennials don't have the necessary economic and political power at this point to shape things to such an extent, and even if they did it would only have been acquired recently, so clearly, in no way would they have had the time to do such shaping. No. Any blame for how things have turned out lies on the boomers who have dominated the system since the 80's onwards.

[Crissi]

Exactly, because you are Ok with using violence on children to teach them a lesson.

Which paroves a point that abuse passes down generations through use. Because "I turned out alright." Or "I'm Ok with my spankings."

If you honestly did the reading and it still didn't change your mind. Then I fear for your offspring, for science is useless in changing their mothers opinion. It's some closeminded shit right there.

I have an extremely narrow criteria where I think spankings are ok. I'm sure my kids will turn out fine.

Perhaps my family is just an outlier, considering the only fuckup is my drug addicted adopted aunt who was never hit. *shrug*

[Jokerfiend]

I came in here to give my opinion. I'm fine with talking about it, because there is always a small chance to change my mind, such as has happened with pet declawing and circumcision.

also, debating is fun

You aren't debating, you are stating your opinion and moving on. As you just said.

Like PvPHero stated, if you did your research and you are still OK with it. Is flat out baffling frankly disturbing.

[Deleted]

I came in here to give my opinion. I'm fine with talking about it, because there is always a small chance to change my mind, such as has happened with pet declawing and circumcision.

also, debating is fun

Well, you got a lot to go on, what with the research that just concluded from 50 years of observation on about 160k kids.

Also, i just thought of something ; I'm gonna amuse the idea that you actually did your research - If behaviorism is to be believed, shouldn't discipline enforce the idea of accepting physical force, in some measurement, to be a actual incorporated format of thinking - And more so, just musing on basic logic - Doesn't physical discipline, if anything, create a distance?

You have no other situation, where you'd regulate another person behaviour with physical stimuli - You don't slap your partner, you don't slap your parents, at least not according to social norms.

So, i still don't see how doing it on someone who is THE MOST suspectible to interpeting that wrong, is a "good" idea, whilst we would refrain from doing it, in any other situation?

Common sense kinda speaks against it. Just randomly struck me. No pun intended.

[alexw]

You keep asserting this, but the evidence presented in this thread says the direct opposite.

Facts have a liberal bias. Ergo they cannot be trusted, and thus feelings and beliefs must take their place for every right thinking conservative.

[Crissi]

Well, you got a lot to go on, what with the research that just concluded from 50 years of observation on about 160k kids.

Also, i just thought of something ; I'm gonna amuse the idea that you actually did your research - If behaviorism is to be believed, shouldn't discipline enforce the idea of accepting physical force, in some measurement, to be a actual incorporated format of thinking - And more so, just musing on basic logic - Doesn't physical discipline, if anything, create a distance?

You have no other situation, where you'd regulate another person behaviour with physical stimuli - You don't slap your partner, you don't slap your parents, at least not according to social norms.

So, i still don't see how doing it on someone who is THE MOST suspectible to interpeting that wrong, is a "good" idea, whilst we would refrain from doing it, in any other situation?

Common sense kinda speaks against it. Just randomly struck me. No pun intended.

I'm of the opinion some adults need a good smack up the back of the head aka Gibbs or Red, if that says anything. *shrug*

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You aren't debating, you are stating your opinion and moving on. As you just said.

Like PvPHero stated, if you did your research and you are still OK with it. Is flat out baffling frankly disturbing.

When I have kids, I'll tell you how it goes. I'm sorry for who I am and I'm sorry for offending you.

[Jokerfiend]

Ah yes.... the moral superiority complex. Your only defense. "I'm smarter than you and know what's good for you"

Again, when used correctly, there is no negative consequence. So explain to me again why the government should tell a parent they can't do it ?

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Said by someone who clearly has never had kids.

Because they are kids. They literally don't know the difference between right and wrong. Sometimes a time out is effective. Sometimes grounding or taking away a favorite toy. Sometimes a stern talking to. And sometimes , a firm swat on the ass is the only way.

I actually have 3 kids that aren't problems at all. 7-9-12. Never have hit them, I don't get back talk.

My kids respect me, they don't fear me. Sure they act out once in a while. Then I talk to them and find out school was a bad day. or it's just hormones with the 12 year old. It could be numerous problems, like not getting something they wanted, or just cranky. But overall, I can't honestly complain about them.

They get good grades, they seem smarter than I am which is scary. And all the teachers say they are darling. No behavioral problems that stand out.

They know the difference between right and wrong, because I have TAUGHT them the difference. Maybe, you shouldn't violence to teach your kid to fear rather than respect.

[Gilgemesh]

You think Corporal Punishment is a niche problem? Gotcha.

Spanking works.
There are millions and millions of children who grew up knowing no consequences...It has led to the most self centered, egocentric, depressed generation....ever. All this boils down to consequence. These people grew up in places where they got away with being wrong, where they were 100% safe all the time and nobody ever put them in their place.
Bunches of parents trying to be their kids friend. Raising assholes with nothing to contribute to society.

[Jokerfiend]

I'm of the opinion some adults need a good smack up the back of the head aka Gibbs or Red, if that says anything. *shrug*

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When I have kids, I'll tell you how it goes. I'm sorry for who I am and I'm sorry for offending you.

Offending me, no. Nothing offends me sweetheart. Disturbs me on the otherhand... there are a lot of thing that disturb me.

It's borderline Climate Change denial level of ignorance.

[Crissi]

Spanking works.
There are millions and millions of children who grew up knowing no consequences...It has led to the most self centered, egocentric, depressed generation....ever. All this boils down to consequence. These people grew up in places where they got away with being wrong, where they were 100% safe all the time and nobody ever put them in their place.
Bunches of parents trying to be their kids friend. Raising assholes with nothing to contribute to society.

I wouldnt say spanking is the only way to accomplish less brattiness. Making them work for shit would work just as well after a certain age. ot coddling their every whim too.