France bans child beating

[Wyrt]

No. The old generation blames the new one...and the new one blames the old.
The solution for youngsters is to out all the old folks...and the old folks want to box up all the youngsters till they're old.
I suppose its a matter of perspective. Mine being different than yours. I suppose time will say we both did what we had to.

The difference of course is that the old generation is responsible in large part for the state of society.

[Total Crica]

The difference of course is that the old generation is responsible in large part for the state of society.

Everyone just does what they think will work or avoids what they think won't work. No one can be blamed for that. Otherwise no one does anything at all.

[Gilgemesh]

The difference of course is that the old generation is responsible in large part for the state of society.

Of course. All the old strictures are wrong. Destroy them all.

[Masark]

No. The old generation blames the new one...and the new one blames the old.

And one of them is correct, because the other has had no access to the levers of power, and thus no ability to screw things up.

[PosPosPos]

Everyone just does what they think will work or avoids what they think won't work. No one can be blamed for that. Otherwise no one does anything at all.

Why not? We can objectively assign blame according to who is responsible for the mistakes, so that way, we can reflect on them in the future. That's how history is written, a combination of nature, luck, and human errors and successes, and we can look back to figure out what to do and not do.

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Of course. All the old strictures are wrong. Destroy them all.

Strawman alert!

[Armakus]

Does this mean open hand smacks to? XD. Lmao get ready for another gen of spoiled rotten liberals with no understanding of empathy. They knew this is a political move. Non spank parents raise liberal entitled shit heads.

Yeah damn those unempathetic liberals! Always fighting for equal wages, gay rights, and gender equality, even if it doesn't effect them! *rolls eyes*

[Deleted]

I wish I could trust that - my mind thinks it's mind control, I won't go get any of that help, I would rather be homeless and starve to death - ain't that some wiring up there? =P

I'd suspect that to be defensive mechanisms gone faulty. Defensive mechanisms have a tendency of being relevant when created, but not always having a clear declaration of when they should stop being a thing.

Thus, sometimes, if we experience very extreme things, we learn to adapt to thoose situations in one way ; But later on, when said situation no longer exists, we keep applying the same behaviour - Even if it is not really the ideal proposition for that.

It's kind of the core idea behind why you don't want to discipline a child, really ; it imparts a behavioral pattern at such a early age that it might not even be a concious decision they make, later in on life, when they act in violent ways.

Maybe they just defend it, unconciously, seeing it as a way of living, embedded it into their personality. Sometimes, even if a behavior is destructive, we form our personalities out after thoose traits. It's a very hard cycle to break, especially if it's something hardwired by stimuli. One might not even see it ; it could be buried under layers of mechanisms, projections, feelings, etc.

All the brain understands is survival ; just that the brain ain't very smart, it needs external input to grasp re-wiring. :P

[Gilgemesh]

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Strawman alert!

no that was clearly sarcasm

[PosPosPos]

no that was clearly sarcasm

As if sarcasm is mutually exclusive from strawmanning.

[Total Crica]

Why not?

Because the blame lies on the method, not the tool. Humans are a tool that can only do what they think works or not do what they think doesn't work. They can only learn from their mistakes. If you blame the tool for doing the only thing it can learn from, there is no reason for the tool to do anything at that point.

[Gilgemesh]

As if sarcasm is mutually exclusive from strawmanning.

It is. I was pointing out how petty a thing can be, by being just as petty. But. you know. that was implied. Who knew?

[Total Crica]

I'd suspect that to be defensive mechanisms gone faulty. Defensive mechanisms have a tendency of being relevant when created, but not always having a clear declaration of when they should stop being a thing.

Thus, sometimes, if we experience very extreme things, we learn to adapt to thoose situations in one way ; But later on, when said situation no longer exists, we keep applying the same behaviour - Even if it is not really the ideal proposition for that.

It's kind of the core idea behind why you don't want to discipline a child, really ; it imparts a behavioral pattern at such a early age that it might not even be a concious decision they make, later in on life, when they act in violent ways.

Maybe they just defend it, unconciously, seeing it as a way of living, embedded it into their personality. Sometimes, even if a behavior is destructive, we form our personalities out after thoose traits. It's a very hard cycle to break, especially if it's something hardwired by stimuli. One might not even see it ; it could be buried under layers of mechanisms, projections, feelings, etc.

All the brain understands is survival ; just that the brain ain't very smart, it needs external input to grasp re-wiring. :P

Yes, but I don't trust what is trying to re-wire it, the mind controllers! =P

[PosPosPos]

Because the blame lies on the method, not the tool. Humans are a tool that can only do what they think works or not do what they think doesn't work. They can only learn from their mistakes. If you blame the tool for doing the only thing it can learn from, there is no reason for the tool to do anything at that point.

No, it also lies on the persons who executed the method. History has always assigned blame to specific individuals, like with Nazism, but you don't see people not doing anything or trying out new things just because of that.

All you are doing here is extending the PC culture to apply across all time.

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It is. I was pointing out how petty a thing can be, by being just as petty. But. you know. that was implied. Who knew?

Yeah, we knew the alt right, comprising mostly of baby boomers, have petty policies and ideology. Please state the obvious more.

[Spiffums]

I'm sure they will all grow up to be well behaved and mannerable adults.

[Deleted]

Yes, but I don't trust what is trying to re-wire it, the mind controllers! =P

Haha, well :P Does that mean that people you discuss with, are mind controllers? :P

[Jastall]

You can talk to a retarded adult and explain to them why they shouldn't do it. And most retarded people have learned how to behave around infants by the time they're 30.

The problem with a two year old is they aren't retarded.

As someone with a deeply autistic and mentally retarded brother (real life autistic, not the edgy 4chan insult type), who has the mind of a 1 year old kid, hitting him is a total waste of time. He barely understands basic human interactions. If you hit him, he's only going to struggle and try to bite you harder. He definitely won't behave, since he has no idea why he's hit in the first place.

Not saying every kid is like that. Maybe some do respond well to spanking. But it's a tool best used sparingly, and I don't think banning it is overly irresponsible.

This assumes the bill will actually ban spanking nationwide of course. Reading it, it seems very vague and doesn't even seem to provide any sort of punishment. It's just a basic ''hey guys, please don't be dicks to your kids'' motion, which is self-evident to anyone with half a braincell to me.

[Zeta333]

Yes, boomers have written lots of negative articles about their children. That's exactly what you'd expect from a generation blaming their children for the right royally screwed up world they are leaving behind. Its an attempt to lay blame elsewhere and absolve themselves of guilt, and exactly what you'd expect from the most selfish generation in history. But it says absolutely nothing about millennials.

i didnt say boomers didnt fuck up the world, but im a millennial and i cant fucking stand what hipster sjw trash my generation is becoming.

[Ol Scratch]

No, it also lies on the persons who executed the method. History has always assigned blame to specific individuals, like with Nazism, but you don't see people not doing anything or trying out new things just because of that.

All you are doing is extending the PC culture to apply across all time.

I'm so glad you brought up Nazis.

Tell me, if the Nazis (or whoever you want to put in their place; children, muggers, school shooters, terrorists, people on message forums you don't like -- whoever) come up to your door, throws a gun in your face, and tells you that they're going to exterminate you, I sincerely hope you'll just give them a finger wag and tell them they're being naughty and change their ways. Whatever you do, don't resort to violence! Those darn Nazis (or whoever you want to put in their place) won't learn anything from that. I mean, there's never any reason to strike another living creature, right? And such non-violence counters are going to work flawlessly. FLAWLESSLY!

Or are you going to scream about strawmen again because you think you're a hyper-intellectual because you keep vomiting that shit up whenever you can't offer a real retort to a side argument?

[Total Crica]

it also lies on the persons.

That is mental eugenics.

Should you be blamed for that mentality you hold?

Or should the method that leads you to hold that mentality be blamed instead?

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Haha, well :P Does that mean that people you discuss with, are mind controllers? :P

Yes, they are.

Humans are all trying to control each others minds.

That is what humans do so their bodies don't get hurt by other humans bodies.

Or so that their bodies get helped by other humans bodies.

[PosPosPos]

I'm so glad you brought up Nazis.

Tell me, if the Nazis (or whoever you want to put in their place; children, muggers, school shooters, terrorists, people on message forums you don't like -- whoever) come up to your door, throws a gun in your face, and tells you that they're going to exterminate you, I sincerely hope you'll just give them a finger wag and tell them they're being naughty and change their ways. Whatever you do, don't resort to violence! Those darn Nazis (or whoever you want to put in their place) won't learn anything from that. I mean, there's never any reason to strike another living creature, right? And such non-violence counters are going to work flawlessly. FLAWLESSLY!

Or are you going to scream about strawmen again because you think you're a hyper-intellectual because you keep vomiting that shit up whenever you can't offer a real retort to a side argument?

Why can't I call strawmen out for being strawmen if the post content involves making up lies I have never said?

Or do you think it's mandatory to be under the impression of being a "hyper-intellectual" when calling an orange an orange?

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That is mental eugenics.

Should you be blamed for that mentality you hold?

Or should the method that leads you to hold that mentality be blamed instead?

Both. They are not mutually exclusive. That is, assuming there is no clinically proven mental illness involved.