Least Legendary dependant DPS spec/class ?

[Fleckens]

no dps class or any class for that matter is dependant on a legendary. Those are unfarmable rare RNG items separate from the class that only benefit you if you get one but they dont take anything away from you if you dont have one. You can go all of legion without one and do great acceptable dps.

What I think people making this argument don't seem to understand is that a lot of players enjoy being competitive and improving their character, so when the the biggest obstacle between them and someone else in terms of dps as well as by far the biggest upgrade they can get is locked behind a wall of rng that means you could either get it tomorrow or perhaps in half a year, or whenever blizzard decides to remove or lower the soft cap that makes it much harder for each legendary you get, which is even worse if you have to switch to another spec as at this point you're better off making a new character if you want to play a different spec.

Also doesn't help that a lot of fun mechanics are hidden behind legendaries, some of them being new ones but also quite a few of them being old class mechanics stripped from the class such as the warrior's execute proc, so not having certain legendaries can simply make a class a lot less enjoyable to play. It's kind of similar to tier sets but those you can always get if you put in the effort, with bad luck it may take longer but at least you know exactly where you have a chance of getting it every week, with legendaries you have absolutely no idea what you will get or when you will get it.

It may seem silly to casual players but I have had several raiders in my guild burn themselves out farming mythic+ only to reach 5 legendaries without getting the ones they want and just quit raiding as it's almost impossible to reach 6+ legendaries without extreme luck due to the soft cap. It's really just such a fucked up system and It's definitely the worst part of legion by far. Doesn't help that it feels like how much effort you put in doesn't reward you at all. In our guild our 3 main mages don't have bracers but an alt and a social does.

Also about the shadowpriest thing, they can definitely be a huge boost as they can often be the difference between making it to the third void torrent or not as they make it a lot more forgiving, especially after the nerf. Also with next patch the belt only gets better with the increased insanity on mind blast and more focus on other playstyles than stm.

[Coffeexbean]

What I think people making this argument don't seem to understand is that a lot of players enjoy being competitive and improving their character, so when the the biggest obstacle between them and someone else in terms of dps as well as by far the biggest upgrade they can get is locked behind a wall of rng that means you could either get it tomorrow or perhaps in half a year, or whenever blizzard decides to remove or lower the soft cap that makes it much harder for each legendary you get, which is even worse if you have to switch to another spec as at this point you're better off making a new character if you want to play a different spec.

Also doesn't help that a lot of fun mechanics are hidden behind legendaries, some of them being new ones but also quite a few of them being old class mechanics stripped from the class such as the warrior's execute proc, so not having certain legendaries can simply make a class a lot less enjoyable to play. It's kind of similar to tier sets but those you can always get if you put in the effort, with bad luck it may take longer but at least you know exactly where you have a chance of getting it every week, with legendaries you have absolutely no idea what you will get or when you will get it.

It may seem silly to casual players but I have had several raiders in my guild burn themselves out farming mythic+ only to reach 5 legendaries without getting the ones they want and just quit raiding as it's almost impossible to reach 6+ legendaries without extreme luck due to the soft cap. It's really just such a fucked up system and It's definitely the worst part of legion by far. Doesn't help that it feels like how much effort you put in doesn't reward you at all. In our guild our 3 main mages don't have bracers but an alt and a social does.

Also about the shadowpriest thing, they can definitely be a huge boost as they can often be the difference between making it to the third void torrent or not as they make it a lot more forgiving, especially after the nerf. Also with next patch the belt only gets better with the increased insanity on mind blast and more focus on other playstyles than stm.

its fucked up because youre doing it wrong

[BananaHandsB]

And it's worth noting, even Method, one of the top raiding guilds, stated they didn't sit anyone because of legendaries.

Ya, they just swap to one of their alts from split runs who got bis legendaries. Top guilds aren't really a good measure of the rest of the community. They are on a whole different level. So no, I don't think that's worth noting.

[psyched]

shaman enhan. no legendary love...

[Deleted]

Its absolutely no difference.

The character is different due to legendary RNG.

In terms of the Methods of the world, they sometimes have 5 different specs ready to go. If one is performing badly, what do they do? They bench it and swap to another.

Youre pissing in my hand and calling it water.

It makes a huge difference. In the first scenario Murderdoll does not get to raid at all. In the other scenario Murderdoll gets to raid but on a different character.

[Flazian]

Prolly Glacial Spike Frost. The only spec specific legendary that even works with that build is the Flurry one and iirc it's a dps loss to blow a GCD on Blizzard anyways over Frostbolt/Glacial Spike

[Murderdoll]

It makes a huge difference. In the first scenario Murderdoll does not get to raid at all. In the other scenario Murderdoll gets to raid but on a different character.

But the toon is still benched.

In Method levels of raiding there isnt 5 people waiting to fill that spot. They bench specs and toons not players.

[Myztikrice]

It makes a huge difference. In the first scenario Murderdoll does not get to raid at all. In the other scenario Murderdoll gets to raid but on a different character.

No one would be sat if they had a backup character with the legendary they want, if they didn't they would have

[Bullettime]

Spike Frost Mage and Windwalker have extremely minimal dependence.

[Seasz]

Disc priest

[Deleted]

Legendaries don't have effect only if you're a not so good player. If you're fine with being in 20-60 bracket then you shouldn't concern yourself with bis legendaries, because you could improve your dps by other more accessible means if you wanted to.
But if you're parsing high then legendary can be quite a boost.

"Equip: The remaining cooldown on Trueshot is reduced by 1.0 sec each time you cast a damaging Shot."
How the bloody fuck does not have effect only on bad players? (and actually huge..shall I explain what does it means 1 or hell, even 2 more trueshot during a bossfight? "Increases haste by 40% and causes Arcane Shot and Multi-Shot to always apply Hunter's Mark. " plus from artifact talent +50% crit damage bonus...)

[fiestatastic]

Get your facts straight. People in Method and similar level guilds actually rerolled mains to fresh 110 alts of same class to have a better chance at getting BiS legendaries.. and here u say they didnt bench anyone because of it hahaha

A lot of the players in Method rerolled on their own based on legendaries they got on alts. No one raided progression without them. Good guilds don't have to bench specific player characters, because those players put in extreme work and can be trusted to bench / work it out on their own.

[Raiju]

A lot of the players in Method rerolled on their own based on legendaries they got on alts. No one raided progression without them. Good guilds don't have to bench specific player characters, because those players put in extreme work and can be trusted to bench / work it out on their own.

It's not really a matter of trust as much of a matter of obligation on their part. If they don't they WON'T be top raiders for very long. See the Exorsus leader's post for a good insight into the attitude they have going into the WF race and what they feel obligated to do, rather than do simply because they want to for say - the enjoyment of it.

[Dismembered]

And another Method thread lol