Why are fictionary military people in space so badass?

[ItachiZaku]

I found out a pretty significant percentage of my friends in my VOIP group haven't seen Alien/Aliens so we watched it last week, they almost all preferred Aliens and they all loved Velasquez and Drake the most (other than Hudson, of course)

I have never been a huge fan of Alien, but Aliens is in my top 2 all time.

People who like Alien more than Aliens though...

[Valeron]

I have never been a huge fan of Alien, but Aliens is in my top 2 all time.

People who like Alien more than Aliens though...

They are different movie types really. I love both films. Alien is definitely a suspense/horror movie, Aliens is all action.

[Clone]

Not sure about space marines, WH40K comes off as trying too hard.

[Deleted]

Not really.

YES, Star Fleet IS Military through and through:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_...iginal_Series)
If the courts are military, the organization is military.
Now go try to wiggle your way out of that one

[Elim Garak]

Of course StarFleet is military, why even argue that they are not? Each Starfleet capital ship is run like a military base. Literally. The only differences: it's in the future and in space and it's moving around.

If UN had an army - that would've been the best analogy for Starfleet

[Deleted]

I also quoted Wiki on it

And as pointed out you still MIX up Starfleet (military) with The Federation (UN Like)

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It's described more as a Untied Nations force. The UN has its own military troops (over 90,000), armed forces and peace-keepers.

so you admit you was wrong?

[Gib Lover]

Not sure about space marines, WH40K comes off as trying too hard.

I understand where you and people that don't like it for that reason are coming from, but that's part of the fun for me.

The Imperial Guard is more in line of what I like traditionally in sci-fi military, but I do enjoy quite a few of the Astarte Chapter's lore.

[Elim Garak]

It's described more as a Untied Nations force. The UN has its own military troops (over 90,000), armed forces and peace-keepers.

No, it's not the same. UN peacekeepers are provided by members when needed. Blue helmets. It's not a full-blown organization like Starfleet.
In one of the DS9 seasons Starfleet rogue cell tried to trick UFoP president to enact martial law in order for Starfleet to gain direct control over the Federation.
Starfleet is both military and police btw. Not to mention science and medical departments.

UN peacekeepers cannot even dream to dream about that.

P.S. Real armies also report to a civilian commander in chief (president).

[Ealyssa]

Because everything is more badass in space.

Would you like to be a delivery guy in your city ? Probably not your dream job
Would you like to be to deliver something from Mars to a station orbiting the 4th moon of Saturn ? Hell I would !!!

Space makes you a better person, it's science !!!

[Elim Garak]

Don't let Gene to confuse you. You must remember the context of Star Trek. Humans defeated all the evils on Earth. Earth is paradise. Vulkans are logical so... That's the foundation of the Federation - peace, exploration and prosperity. In this sense Starfleet is not military but just a fleet of science and exploration ships. But also diplomatic and thus armed with defensive weapons which later during wars with Klingons, Romulans, Borg, Dominion, Whateverans evolved into offensive weaponry.

Gene is talking about foundation. We are talking about "reality".

[Deleted]

The military troops are contributed by national armies from around the world. They aren't a UN specific army.

and how does that has anything to do with the question if Starfleet is a military orginisation?
Ah you try to avoid to admit that you where wrong by bringing up nonsense

[Deleted]

"Gene Roddenberry, in the series' original Writer/Director's Guide (the "bible") was very specific on the subject;

Woah Dude you are seriously desperate aint you?

[mizeri]

well you have 2001 a space odyssey, thats as close to how boring space action would be, i know its a classic but to me its boring as hell.

[Deleted]

Starfleet isn't a military. So Kirk and Picard can't be included in that. The Enterprise is on a mission of exploration.

dam i was going to say the same thing

[Elim Garak]

I don't believe I am wrong, which is why I linked a webpage that shows a picture and quotes. That's not avoiding. You were mentioned. Here it is again.

1. Equivocation. Armed Forces - military. I know why they used armed forces - context of the Star Trek premise. They just couldn't use the word military there. Don't let the marketing trick fool you.

Also in this very point - they explain it as what UN has now but with an added expansion that there will be time when it will be a full blown military organization which we see in the TV series, besides Enterprise of course - it predates Federation.

2. This is how all western military forces operate. President as commander in chief over the joint chiefs of stuff (military stuff committee - please SEE the word military there, do you see it? it made it!)

3. Then it says that during peace times Starfleet must explore and diplomate. but in time of need it must maintain peace and security. That's equivocation once again - means WAR and Policing the shit out of peacebreakers.

[Deleted]

Riiight. They only have military ranks. And a chain of command just like a navy... And their ultimate boss is the president. They're nothing like the military.

its been confirmed on nearly all the shows ST EN, ST TNG, ST VOY, ST DS9 that Starfleet is not a Military devision

[Akka]

Who are those people? (Except Shepard)

I must admit, I know Master Chief and Picard (and obviously Shepard), but for the others, I just thought the quoted part.

[Jotaux]

I would consider Picard to be military, you could make an argument for Kirk, but by Picard's time starfleet has definitely become a military force. Picard even has a military maneuver named after him.

[Elim Garak]

its been confirmed on nearly all the shows ST EN, ST TNG, ST VOY, ST DS9 that Starfleet is not a Military devision

Yeah, it's actually NAVY. hehehe

[Deleted]

And you'd be just as wrong.

Wrong! i think not, watch the shows and films. it is star trek cannon that starfleet is not a military service. each member of the fereration has their own proper military