Buying an AR-15 in California

[TITAN308]

Everyone is a law abiding citizen until they aren't.

Minority Report a favorite of yours eh?

[Sunseeker]

And should be treated as such until they aren't, obviously.

Sure, but if we're going to make guns more easily available to law abiding citizens, we need to stop crying when suddenly those people decide to, I dunno, shoot up a black church or a gay bar.

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Minority Report a favorite of yours eh?

If people were stopped before committing a crime, instead of punished as though they had committed a crime, Minority Report would have been a national security briefing and not a shitty movie.

[Stormdash]

If people were stopped before committing a crime, instead of punished as though they had committed a crime, Minority Report would have been a national security briefing and not a shitty movie.

Always concerning when people look at dystopian fiction and see a utopian world.

[Sunseeker]

Always concerning when people look at dystopian fiction and see a utopian world.

If you want to see a broken world you don't need to read a book.

[Cebel]

well, this. But i'd like you guys to limit the magazine capacity of high powered rifles to about 5-10 bullets

Why? Who gives a shit how many bullets you have if you simply prevent bad people from having them in the first place?

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Except we're actually allowed to do research on cars to improve safety. Not so much for guns.

Im sorry, who said you cant do research on guns to improve safety? Last I checked thats exactly what the stupid ass bullet button does.. The problem is that research was dog shit.

The greatest research to improve safety on guns so far... Teaching people proper usage.

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Speed limiter.

Anti DUI Ignition.

And for stupid hyperbole: when you aim a gun at something is to kill him; While being Drunk or Speeding ain't about killing someone on purpose. Enjoy. ( damn trumpistes )

If you drive drunk, i dont give a fuck what your intentions are, you're trying to kill yourself or others around you. Period.

[Zeta333]

This is ridiculous. The tedious process to reload it is just stupid.

I still cant get over how much of a madeup word assault weapon is. And how assault rifle is missused by pretty much everyone.

as·sault ri·fle
noun
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.

i also like how everyone seems to assume AR stands for assault rifle. AR is the BRAND NAME of the fucking rifle. Unless your buying an armalite your not buying a fucking AR.

[Cebel]

Isn't that basically a yearly tax to own and operate your constitutional right? Unless they make the training course free which lets be honest, any scheme the state can use to milk a dollar out of you they will do.



But the .223/5.56mm cartridge used in an AR-15 isn't a high powered cartridge. A .308/7.62x51mm is a high powered cartridge but that's technically turning it into an AR-10. So can we use 30 round mags for our AR-15's but 10 for our AR-10's?

I know for a fact theres 6 or 7 gun shops in my area that REQUIRE users to take a free course provided at the in house gun range before they will allow a person to purchase a gun.

I fail to see why this couldn't be standard practice enforced by law.

I also doubt very much these places would resist giving a person an exam on gun safety each year free of cost. Plus it likely brings in more to spend additional money.

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I still cant get over how much of a madeup word assault weapon is. And how assault rifle is missused by pretty much everyone.

as·sault ri·fle
noun
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.

They hear "AR-15" and instantly assume AR = Assault Rifle ( it stands for Armalite Rifle, the company that designed the rifle in the 1950's )

People are stupid. Breaking news. It's almost like more than half the country voted for a proven corrupt bitch who rigged the election against her own parties other candidate. They're too worried about who did the hack than they are the content of the hack.

[Sunseeker]

I know for a fact theres 6 or 7 gun shops in my area that REQUIRE users to take a free course provided at the in house gun range before they will allow a person to purchase a gun.

I fail to see why this couldn't be standard practice enforced by law.

Because the 2nd Amendment is a law of technicalities. Yes it allows you the right to bear arms. It doesn't specify when or where, how many, or what kind. As an Amendment to the Constitution it cannot be abridged by another law completely. So you can't make a law that says "You can't own guns unless you take a course." because the law already says you can own guns, but you can make a law limiting which guns can be owned. But the law doesn't say anyone has to sell you guns.

[Orange Joe]

For law abiding citizens? Sure.

Snip.


nvm there is a gun control thread already. Don't really feel like derailing this thread.

[Sunseeker]

So how do you prevent those that will do harm from buying guns while making it easy for "law abiding" citizens to buy?

They don't know, they won't offer any solutions and honestly they don't care. In the meantime, they'll deride others who see the obvious flaw in making guns more readily available.

[Shadow Fox]

Wtf there is a TV channel just for american gun laws?

There are easily 4 or 5 dedicated channels on TV for almost anything you can imagine in the US... It's one reason why "HD Cable Subscriptions" have something like 3,400 ACTIVE channels. (Although, channels like ESPN have something insane at like 20 channels to themselves.)

[TITAN308]

Because the 2nd Amendment is a law of technicalities. Yes it allows you the right to bear arms. It doesn't specify when or where, how many, or what kind. As an Amendment to the Constitution it cannot be abridged by another law completely. So you can't make a law that says "You can't own guns unless you take a course." because the law already says you can own guns, but you can make a law limiting which guns can be owned. But the law doesn't say anyone has to sell you guns.

Just like the 1st Amendment.

Right?

[Mintari]

Hmm, what's different in Vermont and Chicago for instance?

Look at the demographics. If someone pointed out the facts they would be called racist. Looking at your avatar you already knew that

[Theinquisition]

Nobody NEEDS an AR-15

Who are you to tell me what i do or do not need

[breadisfunny]

No kidding.

But here is my take: I'm not a criminal so fuck anyone who wants to treat me like I am one or a potential one.

i find it extremely amusing how the gun porn scared away most of the anti gun crowd.

[Endus]

Just like the 1st Amendment.

Right?

You seem to be trying to be sarcastic, but basically, yes. Exactly.

The First Amendment in no way allows you any right to;

• incite riots
• libel/slander
• defraud
• threaten verbally

among other restrictions.

It also does not grant you any right to;

• a platform of any kind
• an audience
• an uncontested chance to express yourself without opposition

and so forth.

The First Amendment has clear limitations, mostly where it runs up on other people's rights. Same goes for the 2nd.

[zhero]

Nobody NEEDS an AR-15

no one needs anything other than food, sleep and shelter, doesn't mean you should just give everything else up.

[TITAN308]

You seem to be trying to be sarcastic, but basically, yes. Exactly.

The First Amendment in no way allows you any right to;

• incite riots
• libel/slander
• defraud
• threaten verbally

among other restrictions.

It also does not grant you any right to;

• a platform of any kind
• an audience
• an uncontested chance to express yourself without opposition

and so forth.

The First Amendment has clear limitations, mostly where it runs up on other people's rights. Same goes for the 2nd.

But owning an AR-15 doesn't run up on other people's rights. So why is that an acceptable restriction to you?

[Thepersona]

Look at the demographics. If someone pointed out the facts they would be called racist. Looking at your avatar you already knew that

Could it be that vermont didnthave a historical gun culture?

[stabetha]

Which most gun people I talk to have suggested isn't a big deal and would go a long way to reducing shootings by 1: reducing the number of rounds you can fire before reloading and 2: giving a longer pause between firing for someone to potentially counterattack or at least escape.

except guess how many AR's have been used in violent crimes? well of the 11,961 murders in 2014, 248 were done with rifles of any type, compare that to 1567 with knives, 435 with blunt objects, 660 were "personal' (meaning bare hands/feet). Even if we made the false assumption that all 248 were with an AR and not an AK47, SKS, Sig .556, or just a plain old Remington 700, AR's are not the problem.