Macy's Closing 68 Stores, KMart/Sears Closing 150 - Trump?

[TrumpIsPresident]

No conspiracy. Just the usual hypocrisy from you and your ilk. As well as a bit of nuanced humor that, as usual, is lost in the shallow pool.

Macy's announced its plan in September 2015, KMart in April 2016, Sears in August 2016.

Trump isn't even President yet.

You're all giddy to blame him for it but if Hillary had won these closures would have still happened because they were slated to happen before the election season even heated up.

Plus the basis for your flame is a false equivalence triggered by his ability to prevent a few companies from moving their jobs overseas.

Except Trump never campaigned to stop stores from closing - he campaigned on preventing business from moving their operations overseas.

But nevertheless a lot of people are bashing him for this.

So why is that?

Its either a conspiracy theory that has led people to believe any of these closures will happen because Trump was elected ...even though they were all announced a long time ago.

Or its just good ol' fashion "any excuse to complain will do" triggering.

[Elegiac]

Theres a difference between convincing companies to bring back jobs which have been offshored, and companies shutting the doors on stores that aren't profitable.

The jobs which were offshored because they weren't profitable to keep in the US, you mean. There's very little functional difference.

But man, I can't believe Trump is causing department stores to go out of business.

[unfilteredJW]

Macy's announced its plan in September 2015, KMart in April 2016, Sears in August 2016.

Trump isn't even President yet.

You're all giddy to blame him for it but if Hillary had won these closures would have still happened because they were slated to happen before the election season even heated up.

Plus the basis for your flame is a false equivalence triggered by his ability to prevent a few companies from moving their jobs overseas.

Except Trump never campaigned to stop stores from closing - he campaigned on preventing business from moving their operations overseas.

But nevertheless a lot of people are bashing him for this.

So why is that?

Its either a conspiracy theory that has led people to believe any of these closures will happen because Trump was elected ...even though they were all announced a long time ago.

Or its just good ol' fashion "any excuse to complain will do" triggering.

Don't worry, it'll hit you on the way back around. Maybe.

God, this is gold.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Don't worry, it'll hit you on the way back around. Maybe.

God, this is gold.

The golden part is how you just got destroyed and yet felt the need to reply with nonense anyways.

"hit me on the way back around"

What are you even talking about?

[Torgent]

Now Trump is going to come in and offer them Billions to keep the jobs and pretend like he did something amazing. Then he'll tweet about another company and cause their stock to drop.

[Vyxn]

These major American brands are closing stores all across the country. The timing of these closures brings to question the perceived effect of a Trump presidency on the stability of American consumerism.

But let's stop there. The purpose of this thread is to expose the extensive confirmation bias from self-identified Trump supporters that has plagued just about every news story about a business succeeding in the past few weeks.

If Trump is responsible for those successes, then he must also be responsible for these failures. Now, any rational person would reject both of these arguments - Trump isn't in office yet, and businesses don't plan colossal changes to their strategies on the basis of a few words from an incurable liar; the most they would do is use his election as an excuse for their already-laid plans in order to sway national opinion or gain publicity. But for some reason, select individuals feel the need to justify their support for a candidate by irrational means, as if their own reputation were at stake.

An almost hypothetical question to discuss: Do you think the team mentality that has infiltrated American politics is beneficial to the political decisionmaking process?


Sources:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...Y7K/story.html

http://www.syracuse.com/business-new...sing_list.html

can you please be specific of the successes you are referring to so I know what I will be defending?

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Now Trump is going to come in and offer them Billions to keep the jobs and pretend like he did something amazing. Then he'll tweet about another company and cause their stock to drop.

It is kind of like making it against the law not to have health insurance then brag how many more now have health insurance

[TrumpIsPresident]

He's ignoring the fact that sears holdings hasn't been profitable for years. It has nothing to do with trump and much more to do with retail losing to online. That however doesn't fit his anti-trump agenda.

Heh, ya exactly.

Which is why I was curious if this is another conspiracy theory being pushed by the media.

All these Leftist outlets out there talking about these closures and not one of them mentioning the fact that they have been planned for years.

Its almost like they want their followers to believe that the decision came after Trump won.

[Torgent]

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It is kind of like making it against the law not to have health insurance then brag how many more now have health insurance

No. No, it's not like that at all. Do you actually not understand any words that you use?

[Polarthief]

KMart and Sears is still a thing? I thought they went like Circuit City did long ago. Haven't seen a KMart in a decade or so. Haven't seen Sears since I got my Wii opening week from one because no one thought to go to Sears for one.

[Elegiac]

Heh, ya exactly.

Which is why I was curious if this is another conspiracy theory being pushed by the media.

All these Leftist outlets out there talking about these closures and not one of them mentioning the fact that they have been planned for years.

Its almost like they want their followers to believe that the decision came after Trump won.

Swing and a miss.

The purpose of the OP was to point out that Trump's claimed successes with people like Carrier and Ford are silly, and that if there is any modicum of logical consistency on the part of his supporters they'd claim that the decline of department stores is also due to his influence.

[Varaben]

I'm kinda shocked retailers aren't closing at even faster rates. Who goes to the mall anymore? A huge expansive mall just opened up near me about a year ago and I'm baffled. Apparently it cost like $200M.

[Polarthief]

I'm kinda shocked retailers aren't closing at even faster rates. Who goes to the mall anymore?

Weird people who don't like the convenience of online shopping. Amazon is love, Amazon is life.

People who owe me money, I tell them to pay it back through PayPal or Amazon Gift Cards XD

[MasterOfNone]

These major American brands are closing stores all across the country. The timing of these closures brings to question the perceived effect of a Trump presidency on the stability of American consumerism.

But let's stop there. The purpose of this thread is to expose the extensive confirmation bias from self-identified Trump supporters that has plagued just about every news story about a business succeeding in the past few weeks.

If Trump is responsible for those successes, then he must also be responsible for these failures. Now, any rational person would reject both of these arguments - Trump isn't in office yet, and businesses don't plan colossal changes to their strategies on the basis of a few words from an incurable liar; the most they would do is use his election as an excuse for their already-laid plans in order to sway national opinion or gain publicity. But for some reason, select individuals feel the need to justify their support for a candidate by irrational means, as if their own reputation were at stake.

An almost hypothetical question to discuss: Do you think the team mentality that has infiltrated American politics is beneficial to the political decisionmaking process?


Sources:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...Y7K/story.html

http://www.syracuse.com/business-new...sing_list.html

probably the worst attempt at trolling i have read in a good while. your equivalence here is like saying obama is directly responsible for more mass shootings than ever before in the US (per year) even if he supported higher gun regulation. racial division like never before (under obama) as an african american descendant himself. how in the fuck can you seriously tie this shit together? i will be amazed if anyone takes you seriously. the man has not even been in power yet ffs! you really need a hobby other than trying to cause people to bicker for no reason.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Swing and a miss.

The purpose of the OP was to point out that Trump's claimed successes with people like Carrier and Ford are silly, and that if there is any modicum of logical consistency on the part of his supporters they'd claim that the decline of department stores is also due to his influence.

The matter is a little larger than one post on a gaming forum.

I'm commenting on the media spin in general trying to convince people that these closings are Trump's fault.

And, as by evidence to the opinions here, its working.

[Sastank]

Kmart was closing stores months ago. Simmer down.

[belleflop]

Macy's announced its plan in September 2015, KMart in April 2016, Sears in August 2016.

Trump isn't even President yet.

You're all giddy to blame him for it but if Hillary had won these closures would have still happened because they were slated to happen before the election season even heated up.

Plus the basis for your flame is a false equivalence triggered by his ability to prevent a few companies from moving their jobs overseas.

Except Trump never campaigned to stop stores from closing - he campaigned on preventing business from moving their operations overseas.

But nevertheless a lot of people are bashing him for this.

So why is that?

Its either a conspiracy theory that has led people to believe any of these closures will happen because Trump was elected ...even though they were all announced a long time ago.

Or its just good ol' fashion "any excuse to complain will do" triggering.

Clearly the hypocrisy goes above your head. Trump has claimed victory for decisions that had nothing to do with him but yet his supporters give him full credit. So wouldn't it be just as silly to give him full credit for bad things even though he had nothing to do with it? How eager he (and his lackeys) are ready to take credit for good things and point the fingers when bad things happen regardless of causation is just a preview of what's to come.

Also, Correction: He didn't run on "preventing business from moving their operations overseas", He ran on bringing BACK those jobs lost to overseas and bringing back jobs to dieing industries such as coal.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-speech-224891
http://time.com/4570070/donald-trump-coal-jobs/

Please keep up with your guys positions, I know I am.

[Lockula]

Honestly a bit surprised Kmart is still around. The one we had here closed a few years ago, and no one moved into the space yet.

[Tasttey]

Kmart was closing stores years ago. Simmer down.

FTFY.

http://nreionline.com/news/kmart-sto...-complete-list

Check the date. Thanks Obama.

As for Macy's, the last 2 holiday seasons I worked for them seasonally in one of their online shopping distribution centers (where stuff ordered online is shipped directly to customers.) If their store policies are as jacked up and inefficient as their one's in the DC its no surprise that a number of stores shit the bed.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Trump saves 800 jobs, then loses 100,000. All job losses and gains are a direct result of glorious leader Trump!

Come on Trumpers, the time to be consistent and not look like hypocrites is now!

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Macy's announced its plan in September 2015, KMart in April 2016, Sears in August 2016.

Trump isn't even President yet.

You're all giddy to blame him for it but if Hillary had won these closures would have still happened because they were slated to happen before the election season even heated up.

This is pretty much what everyone (except blind and ignorant Trumpers) has been pointing out about the other "gains" that Trump has supposedly been responsible for, but in every case the business had already been planning on doing anything before Trump talked to them.

The point of this thread is to point out the almost hilarious hypocrisy.

[Rumred]

How is this thread still open? Its just a shit slinging match between trump supports and trump opponents but i guess the mods don't care as it is aimed to make trump out to be bad.