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    Contrary to expectations, the report says nothing about the forensic analysis or American spying on which the conclusions are based.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broods View Post
    Contrary to expectations, the report says nothing about the forensic analysis or American spying on which the conclusions are based.
    Not particularly surprised the forensic information stayed classified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    I would address this in parts but I'm feeling lazy.

    ~How were the Dems racist in this situation...?
    ~What does anything you just said have to do with your original claim that you thought people said they hacked the polls themselves?
    I'm sure there's more, but I remember a certain email lamenting the fact a brown person was responsible for a mass shooting instead of a white guy, which would have been much more convenient for them in spreading their narrative about domestic terrorists(angry white males) being a bigger threat than foreign.

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    isn't it funny when hillary was thought to win, obama and co all said that the election is unhackable and unriggable, but now that trump wins, every msm is saying that russians hacked the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Friendly Kitty Cat View Post
    Guys, never mind that Russia and other countries including our own supposed allies have manipulated, and funded our politics and politicians for decades. Never mind that the US does exactly the same thing.

    IT'S MUH FUCKING RUSSIANS EXPOSING CORRUPTION BY OUR POLITICIANS!!

    THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

    THIS IS AN ACT OF WAR!
    hey, lets not take away the narative here. Russia exposed what the dems were doing, its all russias fault the dems were doing it, the dems did nothing wrong. According to the dems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    hey, lets not take away the narative here. Russia exposed what the dems were doing, its all russias fault the dems were doing it, the dems did nothing wrong. According to the dems.
    Its really fucking boring that apologists are pretending that Russia's actions end and begin with the incredibly small amount of actual wrong doing Wikileaks published.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Not particularly surprised the forensic information stayed classified.
    So we are just going to have to take their word for it? The same people who lied about spying on it's own citizens. The same people who lied about WMD. The same people who lie about absolutely everything? THEM you want to take at their words???

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmolurker View Post
    isn't it funny when hillary was thought to win, obama and co all said that the election is unhackable and unriggable, but now that trump wins, every msm is saying that russians hacked the election.
    no ones saying russia hacked the election, people are using broad terms and or not actually reading the articles and knowing what the fuck happened. Russia released emails it was able to hack from the dems becuase the dems were doing shady and dirty shit. They hacked both parties but putin disliked clinton more so he released shit showing what a scumbag her party was. russia didnt hack any voting or poling machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    no ones saying russia hacked the election, people are using broad terms and or not actually reading the articles and knowing what the fuck happened. Russia released emails it was able to hack from the dems becuase the dems were doing shady and dirty shit. They hacked both parties but putin disliked clinton more so he released shit showing what a scumbag her party was. russia didnt hack any voting or poling machines.
    Actually there's no report of the GOP being hacked. Likewise, reports made on the DNC are only based on another government team, as the FBI wasn't able to analyse the servers as they were denied by the DNC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    hey, lets not take away the narative here. Russia exposed what the dems were doing, its all russias fault the dems were doing it, the dems did nothing wrong. According to the dems.
    I thought liberals and Democrats were all for whistle-blowers who exposed corruption?

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    Quote Originally Posted by broods View Post
    So we are just going to have to take their word for it? The same people who lied about spying on it's own citizens. The same people who lied about WMD. The same people who lie about absolutely everything? THEM you want to take at their words???
    Uhhh actually those people were the Bush Administration.

    But kudos for parroting a Trumpette talking point with no actual understanding of what happened.

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    Russia will be our ally in the next war, just like they have been in every major conflict. This is a complete joke. Same shit in every election just this time around one side is crying as hard as they can and finding any reason to

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    Uhhh actually those people were the Bush Administration.

    But kudos for parroting a Trumpette talking point with no actual understanding of what happened.
    It was the intelligence community who provided the Bush administration with the false data they requested. They don't have to quit their jobs when the administration changes. You really are clueless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkmastaeq View Post
    Russia will be our ally in the next war, just like they have been in every major conflict. This is a complete joke. Same shit in every election just this time around one side is crying as hard as they can and finding any reason to
    I am not sure what history book you were reading but Russia only fought against the Nazis because they turned on them. Countries look out for their own interest there is no loyalty, no good guys or bad guys just different shades of grey.

  15. #35
    The report if anyone is interested:

    KEY FINDINGS
    • Vladimir Putin ordered an campaign aimed at influencing the outcome of the 2016 election, with a preference for Donald Trump. Their main goals were to reduce faith in American democracy and harm the electability/potential presidency of Hillary Clinton. CIA, FBI, NSA express "high degree of confidence" in this fact.
    • Putin and the Russian govt. aspired to help Trump when possible by discrediting Clinton and comparing her to him unfavorably. CIA and FBI have 'high' degree of confidence, NSA is moderately confident.
    • The influence campaign evolved its tactics over time, such as changing the focus to undermining Hillary's future presidency when it was presumed she would win.
    • Report is based off of information gathered both before and after November 8th.
    • The influence campaign followed a strategy that blended covert activities - such as cyber attacks - with more overt efforts by the Russian govt., state-run media, third parties, and paid trolls on social media.
    • The influence campaign used cyber attacks against entities and individual members of BOTH political parties.
    • CIA, FBI, NSA have high degree of confidence that Russian military intelligence used the 'Guccifer 2.0' persona and DCLeaks website to release information illegally gained via these cyber attacks.
    • Russian intelligence obtained and access to elements of multiple local and state electoral boards. DHS has confirmed that the systems compromised by the Russians WERE NOT involved in vote tallying.
    • Russian state-run media contributed to the influence campaign by serving as their mouthpiece and disseminating propaganda from the Kremlin.

    The report goes on to detail Russia's motivations for the attacks: to undermine US democracy, to "advance its long-standing agenda against the US-led liberal democratic order" that they believe is a threat to the Russian regime, they believe Trump would be favorable to an international counterterrorism coalition against ISIS, and Putin wanted payback against Clinton because he believes her criticism of him incited the protests in 2011 and 2012.

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    I mean surely there can be no doubt that undermining American democracy is one of the primary motives. How much clearer could they have made it than this:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/21/po...tion-monitors/

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    we need proof that Putin was behind it besides "United States officials believe"
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    Quote Originally Posted by broods View Post
    It was the intelligence community who provided the Bush administration with the false data they requested. They don't have to quit their jobs when the administration changes. You really are clueless.
    Except this is not what happened at all.

    But I already know you're a lost cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broods View Post
    So we are just going to have to take their word for it? The same people who lied about spying on it's own citizens. The same people who lied about WMD. The same people who lie about absolutely everything? THEM you want to take at their words???
    There is a certain degree of trust, yes. I don't want to take any specific agency at their word, but when they all agree I'll listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broods View Post
    So we are just going to have to take their word for it? The same people who lied about spying on it's own citizens. The same people who lied about WMD. The same people who lie about absolutely everything? THEM you want to take at their words???
    Well, they did vote Trump into office. Experience suggests they'll believe just about anything if it looks cool enough. And this looks pretty damn cool. The document has coloured front page and all. That'll be enough to convince enough people, regardless of the lack of evidence and "we believe" in the document. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by broods View Post
    It was the intelligence community who provided the Bush administration with the false data they requested. They don't have to quit their jobs when the administration changes. You really are clueless.
    False. The CIA provided a report full of cautions and caveats which the Republicans removed to trump up a case for war.

    This has been public for years but a fully non-expurgated version is now available for your reading pleasure.

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/he...15-3?r=US&IR=T
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