Did they say anything about mythic+ rewards being udpated with nighthold?

[Deleted]

All loot in nighthold is getting +25 item levels.

You can do heroic modes for 890 items while mythic +10 drops garbage 860 gear and a weekly 880 item.

Will they be doing a flat update to everything or make some drastic loot bonuses to mythic 11-15? havent been on for a while.

[Faenlyn]

All loot in nighthold is getting +25 item levels.

You can do heroic modes for 890 items while mythic +10 drops garbage 860 gear and a montlhy 880 item.

Will they be doing a flat update to everything or make some drastic loot bonuses to mythic 11-15? havent been on for a while.

They will be updating the item level but also the difficulty. I dont remember the exact conversion but M+5 will be similar difficulty to M+10 now. That will continue through the expansion. Keep increasing the difficulty and item level of the dungeons to keep pace with the raids

The goal is not that you will be doing M+40 to get better loot as the expansion goes by but to stay in the range you play at now and the gear and diffculty will scale. So +5 will still be easy and +15 will still be hard

[Deleted]

+12 gives 865 base and 885 weekly
+14 will probably give 870 and 890 weekly

And as they stated during beta, mythic+ is just a complementary mode to raids. Want better gear? Go raid.

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They will be updating the item level but also the difficulty. I dont remember the exact conversion but M+5 will be similar difficulty to M+10 now. That will continue through the expansion. Keep increasing the difficulty and item level of the dungeons to keep pace with the raids

The goal is not that you will be doing M+40 to get better loot as the expansion goes by but to stay in the range you play at now and the gear and diffculty will scale. So +5 will still be easy and +15 will still be hard

That's planned for 7.2

[Deleted]

+12 gives 865 base and 885 weekly
+14 will probably give 870 and 890 weekly

And as they stated during beta, mythic+ is just a complementary mode to raids. Want better gear? Go raid.

that's pretty much 100% garbage.

> Want better gear? Go raid.

clearly because heroic mode is so much harder than myth +15, that it should give 20 item levels gear better.

[Rogalicus]

They will be updating the item level but also the difficulty. I dont remember the exact conversion but M+5 will be similar difficulty to M+10 now. That will continue through the expansion. Keep increasing the difficulty and item level of the dungeons to keep pace with the raids

The goal is not that you will be doing M+40 to get better loot as the expansion goes by but to stay in the range you play at now and the gear and diffculty will scale. So +5 will still be easy and +15 will still be hard

That will happen in 7.2, now they'll probably do the same thing they did with ToV release i.e. increase titanforging cap and baseline ilvl for higher M+ levels.

[Dizzeeyooo]

+12 gives 865 base

+12 gives 870 base already
as does +11



@op most likely thing to happen is
10 gives 865 base and 880 weekly
11 gives 870 base and 885 weekly
12 gives 875 base and 890 weekly
13 gives 880 base and 895 weekly
14 gives 885 base and 900 weekly
15 gives 890 base and 905 weekly

until the super awesome dungeon revamp in 7.2 where we all go back to farming +4s and +5s again #legionhype

[Deleted]

that's pretty much 100% garbage.

> Want better gear? Go raid.

clearly because heroic mode is so much harder than myth +15, that it should give 20 item levels gear better.

Thats obviously (for most people), that anything beyond +12 is just vanity rewards currently. And you can do +12 (or +14 later) multiple times per day as opposed to clearing heroic for a weekly chance for loot.

If you dont see the difference between a raid lockout and how loot works in mythic+ then this is the wrong place to cry.

[Crowfeather]

They're not going to be upgrading the drops until mythic raids open up in NH, so we're looking about 2 weeks down the line before we get any sort of announcement. But I think Dizzeeyoo's post is pretty accurate as to what it will look like.

[Gemini Soul]

They will be updating the item level but also the difficulty. I dont remember the exact conversion but M+5 will be similar difficulty to M+10 now. That will continue through the expansion. Keep increasing the difficulty and item level of the dungeons to keep pace with the raids

The goal is not that you will be doing M+40 to get better loot as the expansion goes by but to stay in the range you play at now and the gear and diffculty will scale. So +5 will still be easy and +15 will still be hard

That wont work to well. They can't revamp to much like that, because it will screw over fresh 110's by creating a MASSIVE WALL if they did that. They would need to make normal 110 dungeons stay current difficulty but drop 830 loot with heroic 845 and WQ base cap around 860. Otherwise you can't go Normal--> Heroic--> Mythic--> Mythic+ like now if +5 will be like current +10.

Evey thing was made with a clear progression of power in mind, don't think it will be as easy for them to revamp as they want with out creating a massive wall that screws over fresh 110's.

[MrExcelion]

They're not going to be upgrading the drops until mythic raids open up in NH, so we're looking about 2 weeks down the line before we get any sort of announcement. But I think Dizzeeyoo's post is pretty accurate as to what it will look like.

This is probably why we haven't heard anything yet

[Teri]

That wont work to well. They can't revamp to much like that, because it will screw over fresh 110's by creating a MASSIVE WALL if they did that. They would need to make normal 110 dungeons stay current difficulty but drop 830 loot with heroic 845 and WQ base cap around 860. Otherwise you can't go Normal--> Heroic--> Mythic--> Mythic+ like now if +5 will be like current +10.

Evey thing was made with a clear progression of power in mind, don't think it will be as easy for them to revamp as they want with out creating a massive wall that screws over fresh 110's.

Nighthold LFR (855-865) will already be 15-25 above normal mythics(840), and 5-15 above normal EN(850), it all depends on the minimum itemlevel really on how much of it is "skippable".

Also at blizzcon they hinted something like normal dungeons at least 825 in 7.2, and heroics and mythic itemlevel more relevant but more difficult, as well as heroic and mythic+ split kara dungeons and CoS/Arcway. However 7.1.5 will be a bit out of whack.

All we gotta wait for is if they will raise WQ itemlevel, they did so when ToV opened up (835 to 845), emisary bag never got updated so was maxed at 835 before wf/tf.

[Deleted]

Looking forward to not having 10/14 pieces as titanforged M+ gear. Want proper raid gear and trinkets.

[Roxtar]

Looking forward to not having 10/14 pieces as titanforged M+ gear. Want proper raid gear and trinkets.

not sure how strong the trinkets will be, but tier is def missed atm

[Gemini Soul]

Nighthold LFR (855-865) will already be 15-25 above normal mythics(840), and 5-15 above normal EN(850), it all depends on the minimum itemlevel really on how much of it is "skippable".

Also at blizzcon they hinted something like normal dungeons at least 825 in 7.2, and heroics and mythic itemlevel more relevant but more difficult, as well as heroic and mythic+ split kara dungeons and CoS/Arcway. However 7.1.5 will be a bit out of whack.

All we gotta wait for is if they will raise WQ itemlevel, they did so when ToV opened up (835 to 845), emisary bag never got updated so was maxed at 835 before wf/tf.

If they make normal drop 825 that is as fine as long as they DON'T touch the difficulty of it because the ones going there for gear we will be fresh 110s in 790-810 gear. Then have heroic drop 845 with Mythic dropping 860. Which follows the same route of +20 from Normal-->Heroic and +15 Heroic---> Mythic in ilvl gain

[Marston]

If they make normal drop 825 that is as fine as long as they DON'T touch the difficulty of it because the ones going there for gear we will be fresh 110s in 790-810 gear. Then have heroic drop 845 with Mythic dropping 860. Which follows the same route of +20 from Normal-->Heroic and +15 Heroic---> Mythic in ilvl gain

I see the same problem, but I think they said that they want to make all dungeons a bit harder and increase the loot accordingly. I mean, if they up the difficulty in normal a bit more and do the same with heroic and mythic, that's fine, especially when you can also get better gear from World Quests and the new 7.2 area/faction. And I appreciate the idea. But yeah, if they up the difficulty too much fresh 110 player will have problems.

But there definitly is some room to add difficulty with increased itemlevel rewards (which in turn will bring the difficulty down again). If nothing else, with the new dungeons and heroic versions of Karazhan/Suramar Dungeons/7.2 dungeon they could even do a sort of 2 tier heroic system, where the aforementioned ones drop a bit higher gear (5-10 itemlevels for example) so the gap to mythic could be a bit higher. Then you could do something like:

Normal: 825
Heroic T1: 840 (the current ones in the game)
Heroic T2: 850 (Lower/Upper Karazhan, Arcway, Court of Stars, the 7.2 Dungeon)
Mythic: 865
Mythic+: 870+

[RestoChango]

Looking forward to not having 10/14 pieces as titanforged M+ gear. Want proper raid gear and trinkets.

This. Upgrading the M+ ilvl just starts the insane grind again which is burning people out too.