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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Belenath View Post
    Have you considered playing a different class? Rogue nerfs are bad for all rogues. I have no plans to play Sub and I was still frustrated that Blizzard nerfed it the way they did without fixing its inherent energy regen problem. These weird band-aid fixes didn't work for Outlaw, and I doubt they'll work here other than making it more difficult to sync up Vendetta with our other CDs.
    ive been a rogue for 12 years, not gonna start rerolling now

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    ive been a rogue for 12 years, not gonna start rerolling now
    Ah, my mistake. From your oddly celebratory troll post, I assumed that you weren't very attached to the class as a whole.

    It will be interesting to see with the set bonuses if Envenom passes Rupture on damage contribution at some point. Envenom relics may even become competitive.

  3. #23
    the nerf is so big that now we are in a situation where every relic is worse than the previous (without counting the energy regen btw)
    but with a nerf to 9/8/7 the situation of "exponential" growth remained.
    unlucky situation T_T

    btw the amout of overstimation about lining up CDs is ridiculous

  4. #24
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    So no answer from blizzard about this? not even a mention about a major change to the class?

    For now, have to try sim what relics to use, as it look the 3rd relic (4 sec) need to be replaced but I guess its time to change al 3. With MP being the way to go is MA (master alcemist) for extra Ag dmg a way to go possibly?

  5. #25
    Servers are up, I can confirm this is live.

  6. #26
    Why didn't they just nerf the fucking boots? Fuck Blizzard. This expansion is a joke.
    Quote Originally Posted by Okard View Post
    they took out chill of the throne, if you havent looked. Youre going to do 30% less than youre used to.

  7. #27
    We'll definitely need some work done to sim this out then. I imagine they are still quite valuable, but definitely less so, especially the third relic being only 4 seconds. I imagine based on my incredible napkin math that we may want to use two relics and a rupture/master alchemist relic to maximize uptime with the boots, but I have no actual math/sims to validate that claim.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Leetbeartank View Post
    Why didn't they just nerf the fucking boots? Fuck Blizzard. This expansion is a joke.
    why nerf boots? even in single target with now old 3MA and convergences of fates they are only 1K dps above the wrists

  9. #29
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    oh god... will wait tomorrow for patch being live in EU to see if 3MA without boots (unlucky... got insigna sephuz & valeera) will be a bad news, else gonna have to pray for getting some relics drop this week :@

  10. #30
    Servers are up. Can confirm the change is live.



    Ankleshanker, 110 Rogue, Aerie Peak US

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Aedenes View Post
    oh god... will wait tomorrow for patch being live in EU to see if 3MA without boots (unlucky... got insigna sephuz & valeera) will be a bad news, else gonna have to pray for getting some relics drop this week :@
    \

    How many relics did we watch pass us by because we had no idea they were nerfing this? I have a few in my bank but still, I'm fairly upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demeia View Post
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    How many relics did we watch pass us by because we had no idea they were nerfing this? I have a few in my bank but still, I'm fairly upset.
    Yeah. Nerfs like this, especially since we took a drop in ilvl to use these relics, need to be given advance warning. Yet again, Blizzard handle our class with no fucking elegance whatsoever.
    We're a band of vicious pirates,
    we depend on RNG.
    If I only get one buff,
    then bury me at sea

  13. #33
    What if you have the 3 MA relics and the Boots? it still works?

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Venomtouch View Post
    What if you have the 3 MA relics and the Boots? it still works?
    No reason it wouldn't. It just comes up less often.

  15. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demeia View Post
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    How many relics did we watch pass us by because we had no idea they were nerfing this? I have a few in my bank but still, I'm fairly upset.
    damn true, got a +55 rupture yesterday on elereth MM tho, but it would only be a change from a +51... and i still have a +43 for almost 3 months now -.-

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by ribthanwa View Post
    No reason it wouldn't. It just comes up less often.
    Alright thanks, ima keep em up then hehe

  17. #37
    Still, I suppose you can wait 24 more seconds to line up the second one with Vanish. But instead of nerfing the Boots, which for example I do not have (and I have 4 legendaries) they nerfed the relic. And let's say I am ok with the nerf, they DID NOT SAID ANYTHING FOR THE WHOLE FKING TIME. I tossed or passed over a ton of 870+ rupture dmg relics and they sneak on the patch day..without even documenting it?

    It's not about the nerf, it's about not saying anything. It's not such a minor nerf when you fuck up 2 or 3 relics. But I know the solution. We just need 3x unsubscribed relics now.

  18. #38
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    waiting 24 seconds to line up are u srs?

    NEW:
    0:00 -> vendetta+vanish
    1:30 -> vendetta
    2:00 -> vanish
    3:00 ->vendetta
    4:00 -> vanish
    4:30 -> vendetta
    6:00 -> vendetta+vanish

    OLD:
    0:00 vendetta+vanish
    1:00 vendetta
    2:00 vendetta+vanish
    3:00 vendetta
    4:00 vendetta+vanish
    5:00 vendetta
    6:00 vendetta+vanish

  19. #39
    For Agonizing builds -

    Lining up Vendetta with Vanish isn't really a big deal since Rupture was normalized and DS was nerfed. Since Kingsbane works with Vendetta now, and MP is competitive, you want your Vendetta to either stay 1:30 (no relics/boots/elisande trinket), or you want to try and get it down to 45. I don't think there's a middle ground. Gul'dan's trinket "Draught of Souls" was reduced to a 1:20 cooldown now as well (from 2 minutes), which is even more reason to try and line it up this way.

    Envenom/Rupture relics should be pretty interchangeable with tier, with Envenom being slightly better if you have enough mastery.
    Last edited by Pinch; 2017-01-10 at 06:10 PM.

  20. #40
    at least with boots now 3MA-2MA-1MA sims appear to be roughly the same

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