Why does blizzard think its okay to extort transfer fees from Mythic raiders

[Deleted]

It's even worse for pet tame masters. To truly be the champion they have to transfer to every server once, find the hidden shadow pet tame master of the realm, beat him and then pay another fee for the next server... Mythic raiders are quiet casual compared to the pet tamer scene.

[MasterHamster]

Meanwhile, in a different corner of the forums

Fucking Blizzard took away all sense of realm community!!!11

[Bullarkie]

So what you're saying you want to PUG Mythic progression?

What are the negatives to opening cross server mythics? maybe after the world first race is done?

I've pugged plenty of mythics. This would certainly help keep raiding alive by allowing people to trial for guilds without transferring as well as fill in for missing raiders. My guild hasn't raided in 5 weeks because of people no showing. I think it's about to die.

[Hashtronaut]

If you want to raid Mythics you're going to need to sacrifice a lot more than $25. So it's a moot point really.

That's exactly what I was thinking, if you can't pay $25, then how're the extra hours of play going to not feel like extortion (using OPs logic).

[IIamaKing]

What mmo's offer free realm transfers?

All those I have previously played, only offered payed transfers.. If any at all.

Rift has had free xfers for awhile, there was another one...it was much smaller than even Rift though.

OT I dont have this problem, but I do think the concept of servers as segregated communities needs to die.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Most of the Mythic restrictions are just annoying today. I know plenty of people that used to be hardcore raiders or are already done on their server and would easily be able to play in a mythic raid for 1 or 2 nights. But they certainly won't transfer for that..

The people that think it takes absolute no-life-ing to down some bosses in mythic probably have never played it before. 2 Raid evenings a week each 3h is enought do some decent albeit slow progression, even dragging a few of the worse players along. Especially later in the tier cycle it's way easier than most realize. With people practically getting better gear in M+ even more so.

[Tharkkun]

Rift has had free xfers for awhile, there was another one...it was much smaller than even Rift though.

OT I dont have this problem, but I do think the concept of servers as segregated communities needs to die.

I don't think free transfers is the best solution. We'll run into even more problems with the highly populated realms. Everything but Mythic raiding is basically cross realm so they should just do it.

[Mad_Murdock]

Unfortunately, I can't see the future. Back when I transferred off Uther, Blackrock was one of the most heavily populated servers in the list. That all changed when Blizzard a couple years after my transfer offered free transfers from Blackrock to Aussie realms. Hard to predict that.

Just so you know I was just busting you balls. When on a large pop server all you can do is dream of a less packed in like sardines server, but then the winds change happen and that upper med-high server becomes a ghost town.

[NewOrleansTrolley]

Seems a little silly. If you raid mythic, you probably raid closer to your data center for better latency anyway. So cross realm servers will just give you unnecessary ping.

Don't see the point.

[callipygoustp]

Meanwhile, in a different corner of the forums

Fucking Blizzard took away all sense of realm community!!!11

Ever since Blizzard began opening up cross realm options I haven't understood the above complaint. My community "circle" of friends exploded when OpenRaid first became available. The ease with which I connected with like minded people was amazing. That was a breath of fresh air that resulted in me continuing to play the game for two years beyond what I otherwise would have.

Before OpenRaid I had, I don't know, maybe 25ish battlenet friends. After participating in OpenRaid groups that number easily doubled. Finding groups for heroics and alt raids became so ridiculously easy. As the cross realm interactions opened my list grew till it hit the cap, which I think was initially 100, and then at some point the cap was increased and it continued to grow. I never hit what ever the new cap is.

I haven't been subbed to any Blizzard game since December of 2015 but my battlenet friends list is at a healthy 124 right now. That's more people than several of the high end raiding guilds I belonged to. Lack of realm community? Who the fuck cares. I had a strong cross server community that I felt just as tight with, maybe even more so, than I ever did with any server community.

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Just so you know I was just busting you balls. When on a large pop server all you can do is dream of a less packed in like sardines server, but then the winds change happen and that upper med-high server becomes a ghost town.

I didn't take it that way at all. My tone was meant to be purely conversational.

[Banquetto]

If you are as hardcore of high end raider as you claim to be, reroll a char on a new server.

Mythic will permanently be locked to realms, and will never be x-realm unless the content is deemed old.

That's a might bold "never". Once upon a time, no group content was cross-realm. The technical barriers were overcome, and now lots of content is cross-realm. What makes you so sure that just because right now Blizzard think it best to keep the hardest level of content single-realm only, they always will?

I can easily imagine guilds become a cross-realm construct, and then the hardest raid content also being cross-realm.

[ComputerNerd]

And isn't the "dead server" issue going to be even worse were the cost reduced or even eliminated.
Easy to complain about something without thinking about the consequences of the "fix".

Transfers are meant to mean something, as in a decision that is not trivial and repeated as soon as it suits you.
How else would that be achieved ?
How do people propose keeping it sufficiently inconvenient to prevent hopping to whatever is the popular or convenient realm at the time.

[IIamaKing]

I don't think free transfers is the best solution. We'll run into even more problems with the highly populated realms. Everything but Mythic raiding is basically cross realm so they should just do it.

There is no need for server that need to be xfered from. With the CRZ tech they could just shift to a mega server. Make it so you can guild with any one regardless of server and then have it function like parties, all members of the guild are drawn to the same shard. Have 4 mega servers, PvP, PvE, RP PvP, RP PvE. Thats it.

[Tharkkun]

There is no need for server that need to be xfered from. With the CRZ tech they could just shift to a mega server. Make it so you can guild with any one regardless of server and then have it function like parties, all members of the guild are drawn to the same shard. Have 4 mega servers, PvP, PvE, RP PvP, RP PvE. Thats it.

My guess is there's too many players to do that still. They shard/merge zones which is working. But the player still needs to reside on a home server. They may be working towards what you describe as sharding is part of making that happen. There's lots of back end work involved as well. We know they can flip a config change and make Mythic work right now.

[IIamaKing]

My guess is there's too many players to do that still. They shard/merge zones which is working. But the player still needs to reside on a home server. They may be working towards what you describe as sharding is part of making that happen. There's lots of back end work involved as well. We know they can flip a config change and make Mythic work right now.

That may be, I honestly do not have the knowledge to say one way or the other.

[Saverem]

They've proven they can allow cross realm content in everything except mythic raiding. They cripple the community that wants to do the highest end of PvE content, but if you're not a connected realm or big realm and want to raid progression then pay up because of a choice many years ago.


#2017

This is the easiest question that has ever been asked.

The answer is: Because there is money to be made.

[callipygoustp]

The answer is: Because there is money to be made.

I have a hard time believing there is any other excuse.

[Frolk]

Yes, why not?
I'm a pug only player because I can't commit to a raiding schedule, but if I ever get a night off then I want to raid. Most of the time, there isn't a group at that time on my server.

Good luck with progression mythic raiding with pugs, let us know when u down mythic guldan with pugs.

[Lady Dragonheart]

They really aren't that expensive, not nearly enough to seriously complain about. Especially since soon you'll be able to buy them with gold.

[Woop Woop]

Good luck with progression mythic raiding with pugs, let us know when u down mythic guldan with pugs.

Not that far behind your dk in terms of raid progress (5/7m, 3/3 hc), nice attitude though mr pro raider. I don't hope to down guldan mythic, but with mythic being xrealm I would be able to raid more often, and I know there are a lot of people in the same boat.
It probably will never happen, because Blizzard feels it's the only thing seperating the servers.
Which I agree with, but if they want more people to step into mythic raids, then this is the way to do it. The amount of hc EN pug groups are insane, I'm sure a lot of those would try mythic if it was more accessble.