Why are people hellbent on winning random BGS?

[Alfryd]

There's a lot of people not understanding that I like to win too. I'm not deliberately trolling these people. I'm just pissed off because every 2nd BG I enter I end up with one of these dickheads that order people around and throw a hissy fit when things go wrong.

There's no reason for all this anger in BGs. Games are meant for fun, and THEY are the ones ruining experiences for other because of how hostile the community can be. Wish there was a way around it other than "get a thicker skin", but alas.

No, you're ruining the game for others.

I do agree that there shouldn't be so much hostility, but if you queue for a battleground, you accept the objective of what ever battleground pops. In the same way if you sign up for a dungeon as a healer, you have to heal. You can't suddenly turn round and say 'lol nah I dps m8'.

There's other content designed for you to 'smash face', namely arena skirmishes. That's literally all they are there for. They even disabled healers from 2v2 skirmish so you can face smash even quicker.

Again, battlegrounds are about objectives, and it's insulting that you think your own time is worth more than others. People have sat in that queue for x amount of minutes (bigger deal for Horde players currently with 10 minute queues), for you to dick about. It's not exactly fair is it?

[epLe]

@OP, It is quite simple, people just play to win.

Playing to lose is just meh, raiders without videoguides telling them howto.

[Mehrunes]

I see this happen about 50% of the time. You get into a BG, you start losing, someone gets pissed off because losing. "We won't win unless we do objectives/kill the healer/peel your healer blah blah blah".

Has it ever occurred to these people that winning isn't everything in a random BG? For me it's the place I go to smash face and not give a damn about winning or losing. Yes I play by objectives, but if I have the berserker buff and I see that squishy Fire Mage in mid then I'm gonna go and fuck him up. Because it's fun.

If you want to be competitive, play rated. Same deal with Quick Play in Overwatch, if you want to play competitively, play Competitive. I have no clue why people are so damn competitive in casual areas of the game.

Yeah, no. First of all, PvP is competitive by default. Secondly, there's wanting to be overtly competitive for the more casual outlet and then there's playing correctly. BGs, either random or rated, are objective based PvP. Fucking around and "smashing face" with berserker buff ("because I can't kill people in WPvP because of their gear QQ") is not playing correctly and as such is a waste of other people's time. Even more so in Legion, where losing gives you pretty much squat. So it's you who should go elsewhere. Arena skirmish's only objective is to smash faces, so enjoy. And if you can't because "QQ can't smash people without berserker buff" despite arena also using stat templates, then do Darkbrul Arena.

I mean, if you play a casual chess game with someone, do you think it's unwarranted for your opponent to get angry if you decide to take a shit on the board because it's fun for you? It's just a casual game after all, right? They should chill and accept other people deliberately playing wrong and wasting their time, right?

EDIT: There's a lot of people not understanding that I like to win too. I'm not deliberately trolling these people. I'm just pissed off because every 2nd BG I enter I end up with one of these dickheads that order people around and throw a hissy fit when things go wrong.

So do you go on face smashing spree by accident? Compulsion?

There's no reason for all this anger in BGs. Games are meant for fun, and THEY are the ones ruining experiences for other because of how hostile the community can be. Wish there was a way around it other than "get a thicker skin", but alas.

Has it ever occurred to you that some of these people turn hostile because of players who fuck around, blame their poor choices of PvP to fuck around on "QQ I'm undergeared for arena with stat templates", constantly deflect and can't fathom that their idea of fun doesn't have to much other people's idea of fun?

[ophion1990]

The argument that people should do rated if they wanna win is nonsense, considering the mount of time it can take for you to get into an RBG group, depending on your class/skill (unless you wanna join shit groups who play for a quick win or w/e).

The very nature of PvP is competition, BGs also add teamwork to that. So going off and doing your own thing is kind of a dick move because you're neither competitive or working with your team. If you just wanna charge in and start smashing stuff, play skirmishes or duel in front of Org, the latter has admittedly been somewhat ruined in Legion.

No, you're ruining the game for others.

I do agree that there shouldn't be so much hostility, but if you queue for a battleground, you accept the objective of what ever battleground pops. In the same way if you sign up for a dungeon as a healer, you have to heal. You can't suddenly turn round and say 'lol nah I dps m8'.

There's other content designed for you to 'smash face', namely arena skirmishes. That's literally all they are there for. They even disabled healers from 2v2 skirmish so you can face smash even quicker.

Again, battlegrounds are about objectives, and it's insulting that you think your own time is worth more than others. People have sat in that queue for x amount of minutes (bigger deal for Horde players currently with 10 minute queues), for you to dick about. It's not exactly fair is it?

I agree with all of this.

[Deleted]

I see this happen about 50% of the time. You get into a BG, you start losing, someone gets pissed off because losing. "We won't win unless we do objectives/kill the healer/peel your healer blah blah blah".

Has it ever occurred to these people that winning isn't everything in a random BG? For me it's the place I go to smash face and not give a damn about winning or losing. Yes I play by objectives, but if I have the berserker buff and I see that squishy Fire Mage in mid then I'm gonna go and fuck him up. Because it's fun.

If you want to be competitive, play rated. Same deal with Quick Play in Overwatch, if you want to play competitively, play Competitive. I have no clue why people are so damn competitive in casual areas of the game.

EDIT: There's a lot of people not understanding that I like to win too. I'm not deliberately trolling these people. I'm just pissed off because every 2nd BG I enter I end up with one of these dickheads that order people around and throw a hissy fit when things go wrong.

There's no reason for all this anger in BGs. Games are meant for fun, and THEY are the ones ruining experiences for other because of how hostile the community can be. Wish there was a way around it other than "get a thicker skin", but alas.

Why are people hellbent on killing mobs in dungeons?
I see this happen 100% of the time. You get into a dungeon, you start to talk to them, sit down, make a fire, cook, and someone gets pissed off because you don't help killing stuff. "Lol, AFKLer/Why don't you DPS?/Are you high?"

has it ever occurred to these people that killing isn't everything in random dungeons? For me its a place to go to scialize, talk, cook something, simply hang around and have fun.

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You see where this is going? Random BGs have a clear objective. You go into them to win - at least almost everyone likes to win them. Zerging isn't whats "fun" for most people.

thats why I'm heaviliy in favor that Blizzard introduces pure zerg BGs, without any objective. just play down 200 kills, first side to ahve them wins. I could gladly ignore those Bgs and not have people who only zerg in my other BGs.
Because if you zerg, you don#t help. You expect 9/14/39 other people to carry you to the win while you "muck around". or you don#t expect them to carry you to a win, but you still hinder their efforts to win by not actively helping them. Does that sound fair to you?

[Raelbo]

I see this happen about 50% of the time. You get into a BG, you start losing, someone gets pissed off because losing. "We won't win unless we do objectives/kill the healer/peel your healer blah blah blah".

Has it ever occurred to these people that winning isn't everything in a random BG? For me it's the place I go to smash face and not give a damn about winning or losing. Yes I play by objectives, but if I have the berserker buff and I see that squishy Fire Mage in mid then I'm gonna go and fuck him up. Because it's fun.

While I get your point, I am one of those people who gets frustrated when people in random BGs play like idiots.

I have no problem losing. But it's a question of why we lose. When it's because 3/4 of the team is messing around and thinking only of "smashing face" as opposed to actually trying to achieve the objectives, that classifies IMO as playing like idiots.

And while you seem to think that normal BGs are simply casual, they are still a team activity with objectives, and if you're going to choose to sign up for such an activity, you shouldn't be surprised when the other participants expect you to try and contribute to the best of your ability. If you want to just mess around, don't be a disrespectful cretin and join a game in which 9-39 other people are depending on your contribution.

[DeicideUH]

thats why I'm heaviliy in favor that Blizzard introduces pure zerg BGs, without any objective. just play down 200 kills, first side to ahve them wins. I could gladly ignore those Bgs and not have people who only zerg in my other BGs.

Reminded me of Ashran. But even Ashran has objectives.

Blizzard should revive that Southshore vs. Tarren Mill 40x40 battleground they offered a while ago in that anniversary event. It was frustrating to me (you either are smashed while outnumbered or smash others while outnumbering them), but seems to be exactly what these people want. That, or make 5x5 skirmishes available.

Why are people hellbent on killing mobs in dungeons?
I see this happen 100% of the time. You get into a dungeon, you start to talk to them, sit down, make a fire, cook, and someone gets pissed off because you don't help killing stuff. "Lol, AFKLer/Why don't you DPS?/Are you high?"

has it ever occurred to these people that killing isn't everything in random dungeons? For me its a place to go to scialize, talk, cook something, simply hang around and have fun.

I lol'ed.

[ItachiZaku]

So you like to lose.

Interesting.

If my stat line is this: 27 killing blows, 2 deaths, 225 HKs, but lose an AV 313 resources to 0... I felt I won.

If my stat line is this: 0KBs, 7 deaths, 2 kills, but win WSG 1-1 cuz we were graveyard camped, but they were so hellbent on farming us that they didn't notice a druid cap a flag... I feel this is a loss (unless I'm on a toon that is farming rep).

Sometimes I go in needing to grind wins for Khan title, sometimes I go in with a premade twink group for no other reason than to farm mid. It's my 15 bucks, I'm going to play how the fuck I wish to play.

That also applies to PVP, if I want to pop MY class spell called Bloodlust when it is optimal for ME, fuck what the other jabroni's have to say about it.

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Random BGs have a clear objective.

That's what makes premade AVs so fun. The objective is to reduce the enemy resources to zero. The best way to do that, kill 600+ alliance toons. 600 HKs, anywhere from 1200-2000 honor... that's winning. That's life.

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They even disabled healers from 2v2 skirmish

Cept they kinda didn't. I think I won 2-3 of my 10 this last event on my DK when I was paired with a healer.

My objective is to have fun. Doing that how i see fit.

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Oh, and my sitting in mid with my mates farming does help the team. If the 3 of us can occupy 6-7 alliance the majority of the match... preventing them from coming after our FC or jacking the EFC up any time his jabroni ass thinks he can slide on by... all the better.

You're welcome. Oh, and if you need heals, you know where I'll be.

[Raakel]

@OP I got banned for 72 hrs once and only in my WoW career because I said to a name calling BG chanel dude something like "please shut up BG Nazis". Since than I just hide the raid chanel in most random BG's. There's simply no way to coordinate random people. And some douche thinks he's the boss of the BG and calling out names. No thanks.

So I'm with you - trying to win/objectives yeah, but to fuck up someone in between is what it's all about to me as well.

[Inferno83]

Smashing skulls in bg's are most fun part of it. And it's key to win but huge amount of people just can't realize it. Some will just mindlessly run for objectives to save or get few points and end up being killed one by one, then these same people will curse you for fighting somewhere in middle of bg while they ''doing objectives'' but what they really do is making your team lack people in mass fights. If you manage to wipe oposite faction in battleground, you basicaly just need to keep killing them to prevent them grouping up again and you already won.

[Noxina]

Winning = more honor = quicker progress.

To me MMOs are about progress, so winning is clearly the goal. You don't enter a m+ in the intent of not going as fast as you can to get +3 chests?

[Deleted]

Why do people like winning and dislike losing?

Great question OP

[zenga]

I like to have fun. This is exactly the crap I hear from the ragers in BGs.

I can't.

I'm undergeared as shit. If I went out in the world to fight in World PvP because I want to mess people up, I wouldn't be able to because everyone is 870+ by now.

Equalized PvP is my only option atm.

There's a lot of people not understanding that I like to win too. I'm not deliberately trolling these people. I'm just pissed off because every 2nd BG I enter I end up with one of these dickheads that order people around and throw a hissy fit when things go wrong.

There's no reason for all this anger in BGs. Games are meant for fun, and THEY are the ones ruining experiences for other because of how hostile the community can be. Wish there was a way around it other than "get a thicker skin", but alas.

There is a middle-ground. It's not as black/white as you put it. You can melt faces and still contribute to the victory.
e.g.
- In SoTA for example you can stay at the beach the entire time while your team is defending gates, and thus contribute little to nothing. Or you can fall back a bit and still go for that killing spree.
- In AB you can fight wherever, or you can fight people on the road who are incoming to your base, i.e. you don't really guard/cap flags, but your actions still have a positive effect on your team their chances.
- In temple of K I don't really like to take orbs myself, but I'll make sure if I have the opportunity to take out an enemy orb carrier.

etc ... every battleground has a way to contribute while not limiting yourself to the objectives.

[DeicideUH]

Smashing skulls in bg's are most fun part of it. And it's key to win but huge amount of people just can't realize it. Some will just mindlessly run for objectives to save or get few points and end up being killed one by one, then these same people will curse you for fighting somewhere in middle of bg while they ''doing objectives'' but what they really do is making your team lack people in mass fights. If you manage to wipe oposite faction in battleground, you basicaly just need to keep killing them to prevent them grouping up again and you already won.

There are a (very) few times that someone goes blindly towards objective and ends up fucking things up. This is specially common in Eye of the Storm, in which the team blindly keeps fighting to control mid (thought you can blame on that on "smash skull" players that take the opportunity to have a big melee in mid as always).

However, most often it's because of the "smash skull" crowd that a game is lost.

I've lost count of times in which the FC successfully cross the field with the enemy flag and reach our base while having no support. Then people keep fighting in mid, no one going for EFC. And suddenly there's 3 enemies in our base killing our FC.

Or in Kotmogu, when people keep jumping in mid and successfully kill orb carriers, then no one leaves mid to get an orb, thus allowing the very same enemies that were just killed to recober the orbs.

There is a middle-ground. It's not as black/white as you put it. You can melt faces and still contribute to the victory.
e.g.
- In SoTA for example you can stay at the beach the entire time while your team is defending gates, and thus contribute little to nothing. Or you can fall back a bit and still go for that killing spree.
- In AB you can fight wherever, or you can fight people on the road who are incoming to your base, i.e. you don't really guard/cap flags, but your actions still have a positive effect on your team their chances.
- In temple of K I don't really like to take orbs myself, but I'll make sure if I have the opportunity to take out an enemy orb carrier.

etc ... every battleground has a way to contribute while not limiting yourself to the objectives.

This is right. You wanna fight? Ok, but fight where it benefits the team. Go after EFC, kill orb carriers, search the least defended base. Do not fight mindlessly in mid. Do not fight in the road. Answer incoming calls. Escort FC (at least while crossing mid). You can bash plenty of skulls while still contributing to the team.

[Linri]

winning a bg is part of the reason you join it, no one joins a bg to lose
if ur team begins losing really bad, you just go off on ur own like rambo, and rack up kills...

[13en3]

I have two young children that could wake up at any time. It is hard for me to do rated PvP as a result because it takes longer to organize, and I might have to abandon the game in a moment's notice. But I still want to run BGs so I run randoms instead of rated as to not be a disservice to my rated BG team and penalize them for my damn wiener kids. So of course I want to win random BGs. I don't take it personally unless people are not trying and completely ignoring objectives. But I'm happy to run objectives or base sit to try and actually win.

[Doirdyn]

Why are you hellbent on losing and wasting the time of 9-39 people?

[Lightbull]

I'm gonna reword this again, because I suck at rewording things it seems.

I join a BG because I want to play my class and earn a bit of honor and AP while doing it.

I play the objective. If the EFC needs killing or the FC needs defending, I will go and help them. On certain classes (like Warrior) I will pick up the flag myself. I will attempt to win.

I will NOT just drop my role and go fight people in mid if we start losing. I don't know where people got this idea but this is not true at all.

But if we win the BG while the BG itself has been stale because no one's fighting, then I'm not going to feel very accomplished. It won't feel like we've won, it will just feel like we've stomped them and got free rewards. To me that feels just as bad as losing (only exception is if we get completely stomped and we can't do anything about it, that feelsbadman).

If I'm fighting in mid, and the FC is in no immediate danger, I won't disengage from the mid fight, because I'm having fun playing my class there. Fighting in mid is more fun than sitting in a flag room for 2 minutes waiting for someone to contest you.

I want to join a BG and have a good time. I don't want to completely stomp them, and I don't want to get completely stomped. If neither of those happen, I consider that a good BG.

Clearly I have different opinions about that and it's causing a ruckus in the BG chat.

[Bathory]

Well, pvp queues are long, and you get nothing for losing so I get bothered when I see people fucking off. Different goals I suppose. I go in for marks/honor, not for pvp for the sake of pvp.

But, this is also why I don't join random pvp groups anymore. Can't join a random group in PVP/PVE and expect everything to go the way you want it to.

[Professor Expert]

You shouldn't enter a competitive team-based venue if all you want to do is screw around. You're a liability to the rest of the team if you are not doing all you can to help score a win.

Your question is emblematic of the millennial generation, the generation of fail. If you have to ask why people want to win then you are approaching things from a fundamentally flawed perspective. You may be comfortable with mediocrity and existing as a loser - but don't assume your views or sentiment are the norm.

There are plenty of world pvp areas in broken isle where you can go to mess around if that's all you want to do. Do you also Q for a raid or dungeon then split off from the team and attack a boss on your own saying, "I just want to mess around. why are the others in the group so hellbent on clearing the instance".