Intel: Russia has Compromising info on Trump.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Do we have the right to know that documents exist alleging these claims? No, I don't think we do. No such right exists.

I'm not sure I understand your point.

[TZucchini]

Okay. That means that, for now, it's only being published as a defamatory tool. Gotcha.

It's being published because Buzzfeed got a hold of the information, and well, this is what they do. I don't approve of it. I much prefer CNN's stance. Who had the information, but dedicated countless hours to investigating the claims before publishing anything at all.

[Deleted]

That explain his attitude towards russia. He was way to friendly

[Machismo]

I believe people were just moaning in a thread yesterday about him "draining the swamp". He is eradicating over redundant job titles to hopefully save the country some money. It is about time someone did that.

But he's not really draining it at all. he is pushing for the same types of people to be put into the same positions. He even went so far as to also push his son-in-law into a position. Not only that, he wants to increase government waste, by pushing for more security at his buildings, especially in NYC. How does having security in multiple locations save money?

[Dug]

I believe people were just moaning in a thread yesterday about him "draining the swamp". He is eradicating over redundant job titles to hopefully save the country some money. It is about time someone did that.

That's never what "drain the swamp" has meant. Him changing the definition and his supporters doing mental gymnastics doesn't change that. He lied about it and whatever, politics as usual. I wasn't surprised in the least. But he most definitely isn't "draining the swamp".

[TZucchini]

I'm not sure I understand your point.

I guess my response was questioning the idea that we have a right to know. What right do we have? Where does this right come from? These are unverified claims, so I'm not sure how this is beneficial to the public in any way.

[Darkeon]

It's being published because Buzzfeed got a hold of the information, and well, this is what they do. I don't approve of it. I much prefer CNN's stance. Who had the information, but dedicated countless hours to investigating the claims before publishing anything at all.

I'm sure CNN are distraught for having to release this information about Trump now, as the walls broke and it's out on the loose

But yes, I'm all for journalism. Just verify things instead of pushing it as true to sway the public's mind.

[Machismo]

I'm sure CNN are distraught for having to release this information about Trump now, as the walls broke and it's out on the loose

But yes, I'm all for journalism. Just verify things instead of pushing it as true to sway the public's mind.

Has it been published by CNN as being true? Did they claim the document was genuine?

That's like complaining about reporting that the Bible exists.

[Kontinuum]

BTW Tillerson's confirmation hearing doesn't look good for him so far.

[Darkeon]

Has it been published by CNN as being true? Did they claim the document was genuine?

That's like complaining about reporting that the Bible exists.

Doesn't take much to look at this Thread, at the countless "Aha! Trump did X!" posts to see that the disclaimer being present in said news is irrelevant.

[Bullettime]

BTW Tillerson's confirmation hearing doesn't look good for him so far.

Doesn't look good? This is like watching a real life fucking horror movie.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I guess my response was questioning the idea that we have a right to know. What right do we have? Where does this right come from? These are unverified claims, so I'm not sure how this is beneficial to the public in any way.

The danger comes not from the information, but how it is being interpreted. The danger lies entirely on those who wants to see things beyond what is written.

While I understand and agree that, to some extent, information can be damaging... we need something to be accountable to the people. I'm not advocating for complete transparency, but it seems to me that the level of transparency we have right now is unfit in our era. Misinformation can navigate so quickly that having at least an/a few official sources would make sure we'd have a "Fact Checker", unlike the ones we have right now which suffer strong Dem or Rep bias.

[Deleted]

If that were true he'd have come out saying that his twitter account was lying like the media.

I'm just waiting.

[Machismo]

Doesn't take much to look at this post, at the countless "Aha! Trump did X!" posts to see that the disclaimer being present in said news is irrelevant.

But that's willful ignorance of people. If anything, that's how Trump got elected in the first place. Like you said, "It doesn't matter what the common person wants." Were you calling out the media when all those issues I brought up were being reported? Going by your posting history... it does not appear that you were. It seems your desire for media ethics is selective.

CNN reported the facts, as did other outlets. They did not make claims that they did not back up. That is not unethical. Willfully ignorant people are going to believe whatever they want to believe, regardless of whether information is actually true. At some point, you have to hold individuals accountable for their own actions, beliefs, and opinions.

Should the media not report facts, because people are going to misinterpret them? Of course not. they should report facts, because that's what journalism is. They should not feel the need to cater to people who are going to believe whatever they want, no matter what. You seem to be asking for the further dumbing down of society, because society is dumb.

[Darkeon]

But that's willful ignorance of people. If anything, that's how Trump got elected in the first place. Like you said, "It doesn't matter what the common person wants." Were you calling out the media when all those issues I brought up were being reported? Going by your posting history... it does not appear that you were. It seems your desire for media ethics is selective.

CNN reported the facts, as did other outlets. They did not make claims that they did not back up. That is not unethical. Willfully ignorant people are going to believe whatever they want to believe, regardless of whether information is actually true. At some point, you have to hold individuals accountable for their own actions, beliefs, and opinions.

Should the media not report facts, because people are going to misinterpret them? Of course not. they should report facts, because that's what journalism is. They should not feel the need to cater to people who are going to believe whatever they want, no matter what. You seem to be asking for the further dumbing down of society, because society is dumb.

As long as it belittles Trump~ Who cares if it's fake news.
Stay classy, MMOC.

[Machismo]

As long as it belittles Trump~ Who cares if it's fake news.
Stay classy, MMOC.

Were you as outraged when fake news belittled Hillary?

[DeadmanWalking]

Well I will give Comrade Trump this, he finally got it so most republicans stopped screaming that there really were weapons of mass destruction and they were just hidden.

[Mosotti]

Who is so fucking retarded to really think Trump is so retarded to admit groping women by their genitals on camera.
Oh dang it...

Cause he's the only one that ever grabbed a woman by the pussy. Are you a virgin?

Keep it civil

[Machismo]

Cause he's the only one that ever grabbed a woman by the pussy. Are you a virgin?

He said he would do it without permission. Does that mean you are also saying you like to sexually assault women?

[Bullettime]

Cause he's the only one that ever grabbed a woman by the pussy. Are you a virgin?

Let's just accept sexual assault. No big deal.

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Going to be interesting how this hearing plays out. It's so frustrating having some of these senators being so god damn soft on him, along with Sessions yesterday. Cardin and Rubio were being pretty savage, especially Rubio of all people.

Tillerson is practically proving to the American people where the Trump's camps' interests lie and Tillerson is doing a shit job covering it up.